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    Posted: 26/Jan/2008 at 11:12am
Time for investors to look at solid risk-free land plays that can guarantee decent returns.

My favorite is Mahindra Lifespace. It has a functional SEZ in Chennai which is showing accelerating profits for the past few quarters. Talk is that the company may be allotted more land in the surrounding areas to expand the SEZ. That would increase the CAGR to a decent level in the coming years.

ML is also setting up an SEZ in Rajasthan in collaboration with the state government. Unlike other land bank/realty companies ML seems to be working closely with state govt bodies to acquire land for the projects. Though it may reduce the upside in future, it offers considerable capital protection since the state government agency is an equal partner in the project.

The company is also available at an affordable P/E compared to other players like DLF, Unitech, Ansals, etc.

Knowing how land bank plays are being inflated by companies who do not hold title to the properties, a P/E of 1800 or so for DLF seems way over the top.

Even Reliance Industries which is developing the mother of all SEZs and with a reputation for great execution skills does not enjoy such high P/Es. That is why I am worried about investing in companies like DLF, Unitech and even HDIL.

HDIL comes one notch below ML mainly for the land bank it owns in Mumbai. But land in Mumbai with slums encroached is a double edged sword. I live in Mumbai, and from first-hand experience I know that sales of houses have slowed down considerably in the past year.

HDIL's properties are located in the more expensive areas of the city and the company has received in-principle SEZ in Vasai-Virar region. It is not clear if the company already owns the land or it has to buy from local people. In the latter case it will have to spend a bomb in doing so. Unlike Reliance, the company does not have a regular cash flow in the form of oil profits.

HDIL's project to resettle slum dwellers at Mumbai airport could be lucrative. But the cream of the profits would already be factored in by GVK Power which is the main promoter of Mumbai International Airport Ltd.

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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 26/Jan/2008 at 11:53am
Sharekhan.com estimates for Mahindra Lifespace -
 
FY10 Revenues: Rs.936 crores
FY10 Net Profits: Rs.390 crores
EPS: Rs. 95
FY10 P/E: 8.4
 
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Quote vishal.sahay Replybullet Posted: 27/Jan/2008 at 6:15pm
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Knowing how land bank plays are being inflated by companies who do not hold title to the properties, a P/E of 1800 or so for DLF seems way over the top.

Even Reliance Industries which is developing the mother of all SEZs and with a reputation for great execution skills does not enjoy such high P/Es. That is why I am worried about investing in companies like DLF, Unitech and even HDIL.
 
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Can you tell me how did you calculated P/E of 1800 for DLF. As per the financial statements on the bse, it currently trading at P/E of 23.75 on EPS of 40 for the full year FY07. And I am hopefull they will do somewhere close to 44-45 for the current year. But still I would love to know your calculation for DLF as how you derived 1800.
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Quote shivkumar Replybullet Posted: 27/Jan/2008 at 10:43pm
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Can you tell me how did you calculated P/E of 1800 for DLF. As per the financial statements on the bse, it currently trading at P/E of 23.75 on EPS of 40 for the full year FY07. And I am hopefull they will do somewhere close to 44-45 for the current year. But still I would love to know your calculation for DLF as how you derived 1800.
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Vishal, the 1800 P/E quote was taken a little before the stock market meltdown. The latest P/E of DLF based on the recent quarterly results has risen to 9,585.19!! Earning per share in the last quarter was just ten paise.

you could click the link here on moneycontrol.com for P/E information.
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 27/Jan/2008 at 10:51pm
Moneycontrol.com is the last place you should look when it comes to company financial information. DLF is trading at 80 times FY07 earnings and at about 25 times FY08 estimated earnings
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Quote shivkumar Replybullet Posted: 27/Jan/2008 at 11:13pm
the idbi.cmlinks site here calculates the P/E ratio of DLF at 472.60 as on Jan 25, 2008. here's the disclaimer on the basis of calculation (Latest Price/Earnings per share. EPS is calculated based on latest financial year end earnings .)


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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 27/Jan/2008 at 11:33pm
Incorrect data again. 
 
I think it is best if you could get your hands on brokerage reports (will be definitely more accurate than websites) before you analyze a stock. If you are unable to get brokerage reports, go to the company website and look at the financials. Dividing the market cap by last 4 quarters net profit should give you an idea about the current P/E ratio.
 
Eg: DLF's current market cap is Rs. 160,000 crores. It had a net profit of Rs. 2,000 crores in FY07. So FY07 P/E would be 80. Going by the 9 month net profits of FY08, a net profit of Rs. 6,000 crores for the full financial year of FY08 seems to be a distinct possibility. So FY08 P/E would be 25.
 
Anyway, coming to Mahindra Lifespace, it seems to be a decent buy. However, the markets seem to give attention to only No. 1, 2 and 3 players only (DLF, Unitech & Indiabulls) - which can either be seen as an opportunity or as an opportunity cost - because other stocks are not moving anywhere.
 
I would personally prefer large players because it allows them to execute mega real estate projects. Eg: DLF bought land from DCM Shriram for Rs. 1,600 crores. You can't expect a BL Kashyap or a Purvankara Projects to manage such deals. Ditto with the DLF's Rs. 60,000 crores Bidadi Township project.
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Quote vishal.sahay Replybullet Posted: 27/Jan/2008 at 11:34pm
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the idbi.cmlinks site here calculates the P/E ratio of DLF at 472.60 as on Jan 25, 2008. here's the disclaimer on the basis of calculation (Latest Price/Earnings per share. EPS is calculated based on latest financial year end earnings .)


 
I dont want anyone to take this in wrong way but people before writing should little homework. Its not what you are saying for HFCL or Silverline, people its DLF. The Company by the 2010 will do profit of over 10000 crores. Its a large cap and index based stock so it will be very difficult for such stocks to have a P/e of 472 or 9000. And if this stock will have such high P/E what P/E we should give to sensex. I feel DLF is the best stock to play on India instrastructure play.
 
Disclosure: I have significant interest in this stock
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