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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 02/Jun/2009 at 3:35am
Hi Rushabh, Any ideas about cash discounts by Hawkins/TTK to dealers?
 
I guess we will get a better idea about the unit sales in this year's Annual report.
 
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Quote rushabh Replybullet Posted: 03/Jun/2009 at 1:13pm

No! The dealers are very stringent when it comes to any kind of discounts except for those which the shareholders recieve as discount coupons along with their dividend warrants.

The sales will undoubtedly grow and the profit and operating margins will reflect immense growth as well. This wud happen as a result of the slashing of steel prices in the period between december to march and this has come as a benefit to this company in the form of acquiring cheap raw materials and its material cost has declined drastically resulting into higher profit and operating margins.
 
 
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 03/Jun/2009 at 3:00pm

Thanks for your answer.

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Quote rakeshmehta48 Replybullet Posted: 03/Jun/2009 at 8:38pm
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The demand for the cookers is immense as i got to knw frm a dealer in the city who deals specificly in this brand. Moreover, wot i learnt was the demand for this brand of cookware is such that the delivery of the stock recieved by is dealers are those which are booked 2 months prior.

 
 
This seems very impressive. (I hope 2 months is not the normal norm in this industry) Then company should have pricing power also.
And with raw material prices on the lower side, company should benefit with higher margins in future.
All in all worth accumulating at levels, suitable to every individual.
 
 
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 03/Jun/2009 at 2:24am
Rusabh Sir...a few more questions.
 
1. Any idea about imports from China? Why is China a threat when it comes to export market but not a threat in India itself? (as per Annual Reports)
 
2. Also, about local brands. TTK Prestige guys say that the market is divided 50:50 between establised branded players (read Hawkins and TTK) and regional and unbranded players and the market share of the latter is going up.
 
3. Also, any comparison between TTK Prestige and Hawkins? How do they treat there dealers, who is more desperate to push numbers etc etc. Any general comments about ethics.... (though sales careers is not for gentle souls Smile)
 
 
Originally posted by rushabh

No! The dealers are very stringent when it comes to any kind of discounts except for those which the shareholders recieve as discount coupons along with their dividend warrants.

The sales will undoubtedly grow and the profit and operating margins will reflect immense growth as well. This wud happen as a result of the slashing of steel prices in the period between december to march and this has come as a benefit to this company in the form of acquiring cheap raw materials and its material cost has declined drastically resulting into higher profit and operating margins.
 


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Quote rushabh Replybullet Posted: 04/Jun/2009 at 3:40pm
I dont really see China as a threat in this sector. Hawkins cooker is a worldwide well established brand and as u aforesaid it is not at all a threat in India. Hawkins cookers are the #1 cookware brand in Europe and Americas and it is rapidly establishing its market in India as well. Talking about the imports from China, i do not have much idea about it but what i can assure it any kind of cookware imports from China wont affect the sales of this brand for sure because of the above mentioned reasons.
 
Secondly, if you make a comparison between Hawkins and TTK, Hawkins would certainly be the superior one for the following reasons.
1. Hawkins has a production capacity of 75L and rite now it is using for
    about 35-40 percent of its capacity. Therefore to match up any kind of 
    hype in demand in the near future (which seems very likely) the
    production cost would remain the same.
 
2. Moreover, Hawkins cookers also deals in the cookware ranges and this
    Segment has grown @ 40% this year. Adding more the debt of the co. is
    Very neglible as compared to TTK prestige and therefore it pays far 
     lesser interest than the latter.
 
3. Dividend criteria is always important from an investor's point of view 
    i think we all know what Hawkins has returned in form of dividend.
   
 
Considering these fundamentals i would strongly recommend hawkins cookers with a long-term view and i my views are very bullish for the particular stock. I have been a part of the co. since 3 years now and all in all worth accumulating at levels.Smile
       
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Quote shivkumar Replybullet Posted: 04/Jun/2009 at 4:53pm
Pressure cooker is a very Indian phenomenon. Outside of the Indian community few people have heard of pressure cooking! Only scientists and researchers operating in mountaineous regions use pressure cookers! So it must be NRIs who are carting away Hawkins while going to university and buying subsequent replacements at the Indian grocer's.
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