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nitin_jagtap
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Originally posted by prashantmohta
Debt markets do have their own charm and yes, 30 -50 % returns are possible. I have a friend who specializes in debt instruments over here and he pull some surprises out of his hat from time to time.
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can u share this in a new thread-----making money from this instrument. |
Take a at some of the writings and strategies of Bill Gross and Mohammed El Erian..they are the bonds of bond funds
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smartcat
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Let me see -
The portfolio value in Mar 2009 was Rs. 100,000 for example [I am not using algebraic X or Y, because strangely, both Kulman and Hitesh get very excited]. By July 2009, the portfolio value was Rs. 180,000
That's when I started adding cash, not at one go, but over a period of 30 days. The cash added was approx. Rs. 25,000.
Now the entire portfolio is worth Rs. 250,000.
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basant
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The original money is up around 2.2 times(approx) around the same as the Sensex which are up around 2.16 as well from around 8.1k to 17.3k!
Originally posted by smartcat
Let me see -
The portfolio value in Mar 2009 was Rs. 100,000 for example [I am not using algebraic X or Y, because strangely, both Kulman and Hitesh get very excited]. By July 2009, the portfolio value was Rs. 180,000
That's when I started adding cash, not at one go, but over a period of 30 days. The cash added was approx. Rs. 25,000.
Now the entire portfolio is worth Rs. 250,000. |
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Correct! That's why I don't like my original stocks/strategy that much now. In the past 9 years, I have tried different strategies - but have been able to only match the returns of the index.
This time, with the new strategy, I hope I don't underperform the index! 
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Did the cops solve the recent case of 10 murders in Goa? It is rumoured that most of victims were value investors. Is there any truth in that? |
[I am not using algebraic X or Y, because strangely, both Kulman and Hitesh get very excited] |
This time, with the new strategy, I hope I don't underperform the index! |
M. Pring says: For most the task of beating the markets is not difficult....
It’s the job of beating ourselves that proves to be overwhelmingBy the way, Pring's Investment
Psychology Explained is a great read.
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Even if we assume that you put this new strategy in place from July then the returns are almost as much as the index which is up some 25% from July. Surely 3 months is not the appropriate yardstick but in times of upward movement you need to really press the accelerator because when the markets start to fall the small and midcaps are the first to get butchered!
Originally posted by smartcat
Correct! That's why I don't like my original
stocks/strategy that much now. In the past 9 years, I have tried
different strategies - but have been able to only match the returns of
the index.
This time, with the new strategy, I hope I don't underperform the index! 
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Originally posted by basant
The original money is up around 2.2 times(approx) around the same as the Sensex which are up around 2.16 as well from around 8.1k to 17.3k!
Originally posted by smartcat
Let me see -
The portfolio value in Mar 2009 was Rs. 100,000 for example [I am not using algebraic X or Y, because strangely, both Kulman and Hitesh get very excited]. By July 2009, the portfolio value was Rs. 180,000
That's when I started adding cash, not at one go, but over a period of 30 days. The cash added was approx. Rs. 25,000.
Now the entire portfolio is worth Rs. 250,000. |
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because when the markets start to fall the small and midcaps are the first to get butchered! |
This is where I intend to pull out the rabbit from my hat to time the market and move out before those small and midcaps get butchered. So there will be time durations during which the strategy will underperform the index, match the index and eventually (hopefully rather) outperform the index.
Beyond a simple strategy like SIPs, investors are often recommended another technique that is even more difficult to practice - that of rebalancing. The basic idea is to make sure that the ratio of debt and equity doesn't deviate from a preset level. When one rises because it has done well, then you are supposed to take some money from it and put it into the other. Again, this is an incredibly hard thing to do, because it goes completely against instinct to sell the winners and add the money to what looks like a loser.
While these techniques are simple ones meant for individual investors, there is a very interesting mutual fund that practices an automated way of balancing between equity and debt and has built up a remarkable track record over six years of doing so. This fund is called the FT India Dynamic PE Ratio Fund of Funds and is run by Franklin Templeton. This is a hybrid fund that balances between the two asset types in a completely automated, algorithm-driven manner. The idea is to use the Price-Equity (P-E) ratio of the Nifty index to set the level of equity exposure that the fund should carry. Since the P-E ratio is a basic indicator of whether stocks are underpriced or overpriced, the approach decreases equity exposure as the markets rise up to a more risky level.
This sort of a thing takes a long time to bear fruit, but eventually, it does. |
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Originally posted by smartcat
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Intriguing.
Especially....
Of all the things that an investor is asked to do, handling market crashes in a level-headed manner is the most difficult.
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Many market participants start misbahaving with family and friends during market crashes/corrections.
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