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    Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 11:47pm

Hi Guys,

For an investor, the best investment would be in companies which are monopolies and whose products are in great demand. But in real life we barely come across such companies. In India most of the monopolies are Govt. controlled and so they are not great from an investment point of view.

 
That brings us to the next best option. The oligopolies.
 

I am looking for companies which are oligopolies and also satisfy the follow criteria.

 

è Companies with negligible debt

è Companies which are not capital intensive

è Companies which are not cyclical

è Companies whose primary product(s) is non commodity

è ROE must be consistently greater than 20%

è The market is not completely saturated.

 

Let me give some examples that I have in mind.

 

1)      Credit Rating Agencies(CRISIL, ICRA, Fitch, CARE)

2)      Paints (Asian Paints, Nerolac , Berger )

3)      Adhesives (Pidilite Industries)

 

Now it is up to you, intelligent reader, to come up with more companies and explain why they deserve our attention.

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Quote Janak.merchant1 Replybullet Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by Vamsee

Hi Guys,

For an investor, the best investment would be in companies which are monopolies and whose products are in great demand. But in real life we barely come across such companies. In India most of the monopolies are Govt. controlled and so they are not great from an investment point of view.

 
That brings us to the next best option. The oligopolies.
 

I am looking for companies which are oligopolies and also satisfy the follow criteria.

 

è Companies with negligible debt

è Companies which are not capital intensive

è Companies which are not cyclical

è Companies whose primary product(s) is non commodity

è ROE must be consistently greater than 20%

è The market is not completely saturated.

 

Let me give some examples that I have in mind.

 

1)      Credit Rating Agencies(CRISIL, ICRA, Fitch, CARE)

2)      Paints (Asian Paints, Nerolac , Berger )

3)      Adhesives (Pidilite Industries)

 

Now it is up to you, intelligent reader, to come up with more companies and explain why they deserve our attention.

Smile 

 

 
May be u can take Amara Raja and Exide in this list.
 
Gujarat Gas ...
 
SmithKline Consumer ...
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 1:06am
I have been wondering. Are any of the condom companies listed? I mean somebody exclusively into condoms. This is one good non-cylical business, capex is very less.
 
However, one primary negative being "minimal moat/entry barrier". But then again, if Coca Cola and Pepsi can do it(thru brand building and aggressive dealer networking), why can't the condom company?
 
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Quote India_Bull Replybullet Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 4:28am
Omjee,
Hindustan Latex Limted
is doing quite well, not sure whether it is listed or not, but it should grow at 30-35% yoy Smile with the increase awareness/ threat of AIDS(I am taking ref of the assumption that  Indian young popultation percentage is increasing )... 
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Quote India_Bull Replybullet Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 4:33am
Another company that comes to my mind is Gillete, the Indian avatar /competition to it is the company who makes Supermax /Topaz blades (It is Malhotra Group company - not listed),  Every other barber uses these blades. You cant have many companies in this field (high entry barriers because of the technology it requires...

Shh... I hope adag or Mag is not reading these  posts..

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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 22/Feb/2008 at 2:24pm
We had brief discussion about similar topic here: The Big Future Brands in India - 2010
 

 
 
 
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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 22/Feb/2008 at 2:32pm
guj gas has delivered vey good results can anyone discuss this co in alittle more detail, how do they need to grow in order to maintain the current growth rate, or has the increase come becos of increase in gas prices
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Quote sajanvm Replybullet Posted: 22/Feb/2008 at 3:29pm
About 250 Cr spent over past couple of years is leading to this. Its volume increase.  It buys over 90% of its gas from new fields at market prices and entered into long term supply contracts.
Guj Gas is an unloved story, I belive it has good moat in Gujarat and numbers are sustainable.
 
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