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Topic: Oligopolies
Posted By: Vamsee
Subject: Oligopolies
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 11:47pm

Hi Guys,

For an investor, the best investment would be in companies which are monopolies and whose products are in great demand. But in real life we barely come across such companies. In India most of the monopolies are Govt. controlled and so they are not great from an investment point of view.

 
That brings us to the next best option. The oligopolies.
 

I am looking for companies which are oligopolies and also satisfy the follow criteria.

 

č Companies with negligible debt

č Companies which are not capital intensive

č Companies which are not cyclical

č Companies whose primary product(s) is non commodity

č ROE must be consistently greater than 20%

č The market is not completely saturated.

 

Let me give some examples that I have in mind.

 

1)      Credit Rating Agencies(CRISIL, ICRA, Fitch, CARE)

2)      Paints (Asian Paints, Nerolac , Berger )

3)      Adhesives (Pidilite Industries)

 

Now it is up to you, intelligent reader, to come up with more companies and explain why they deserve our attention.

Smile 

 




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Posted By: Janak.merchant1
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by Vamsee

Hi Guys,

For an investor, the best investment would be in companies which are monopolies and whose products are in great demand. But in real life we barely come across such companies. In India most of the monopolies are Govt. controlled and so they are not great from an investment point of view.

 
That brings us to the next best option. The oligopolies.
 

I am looking for companies which are oligopolies and also satisfy the follow criteria.

 

č Companies with negligible debt

č Companies which are not capital intensive

č Companies which are not cyclical

č Companies whose primary product(s) is non commodity

č ROE must be consistently greater than 20%

č The market is not completely saturated.

 

Let me give some examples that I have in mind.

 

1)      Credit Rating Agencies(CRISIL, ICRA, Fitch, CARE)

2)      Paints (Asian Paints, Nerolac , Berger )

3)      Adhesives (Pidilite Industries)

 

Now it is up to you, intelligent reader, to come up with more companies and explain why they deserve our attention.

Smile 

 

 
May be u can take Amara Raja and Exide in this list.
 
Gujarat Gas ...
 
SmithKline Consumer ...


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 1:06am
I have been wondering. Are any of the condom companies listed? I mean somebody exclusively into condoms. This is one good non-cylical business, capex is very less.
 
However, one primary negative being "minimal moat/entry barrier". But then again, if Coca Cola and Pepsi can do it(thru brand building and aggressive dealer networking), why can't the condom company?
 
Just some random thoughts!


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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 4:28am
Omjee,
Hindustan Latex Limted
is doing quite well, not sure whether it is listed or not, but it should grow at 30-35% yoy Smile with the increase awareness/ threat of AIDS(I am taking ref of the assumption that  Indian young popultation percentage is increasing )... 

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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2008 at 4:33am
Another company that comes to my mind is Gillete, the Indian avatar /competition to it is the company who makes Supermax /Topaz blades (It is Malhotra Group company - not listed),  Every other barber uses these blades. You cant have many companies in this field (high entry barriers because of the technology it requires...

Shh... I hope adag or Mag is not reading these  posts..

Nahi to papa ka sapna har ghar mai razor ho apna...


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 22/Feb/2008 at 2:24pm
We had brief discussion about similar topic here: http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1100 - The Big Future Brands in India - 2010
 

 
 
 


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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 22/Feb/2008 at 2:32pm
guj gas has delivered vey good results can anyone discuss this co in alittle more detail, how do they need to grow in order to maintain the current growth rate, or has the increase come becos of increase in gas prices

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Posted By: sajanvm
Date Posted: 22/Feb/2008 at 3:29pm
About 250 Cr spent over past couple of years is leading to this. Its volume increase.  It buys over 90% of its gas from new fields at market prices and entered into long term supply contracts.
Guj Gas is an unloved story, I belive it has good moat in Gujarat and numbers are sustainable.
 
Rgds
Sajan


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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 01/Mar/2008 at 9:53pm
Glaxo consumer, nestle, procter and gamble, colgate, Pidilite.....


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 13/Jun/2008 at 2:09pm
Buffett & Brands


He is Coca-Cola's largest shareholder. He owns Dairy Queen. Last year, Buffett got a train set, buying into Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway. And in late April, he bought a piece of the world's largest candy store, sinking $6.5 billion into the Mars-Wrigley chocolate-and-bubble gum merger.

What's next for the Nebraska billionaire investor? DC Comics? Daisy BB guns?

It is true that Buffett, 77, frequently touts his childlike-love of cheeseburgers and Cokes.

In the eyes of many, the Oracle of Omaha -- whose Berkshire Hathaway holding company owns or has major stakes in many iconic brands, including Fruit of the Loom, Kraft Foods and Johnson & Johnson -- looks like a http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080608/BUSINESS/806080393 - brand investor .

Brand investors buy companies with well-known or well-regarded names. The belief is that even though a brand company may produce many unlike products, their http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080608/BUSINESS/806080393 - qualities -- supported by strong management and a broad marketing and distribution system -- will translate into consistent, above-average returns .

"Really, nothing can go wrong with the Wrigley and Mars brands," Buffett said on CNBC after announcing that he would finance part of Mars' buyout of Wrigley. "They have faced the test of time over decades and decades, and people use more and more of their products every day."

Brand-name companies can often charge more for their products than their less-established competitors and weather tough times more smoothly because of their loyal customer bases.

They also have the ability to leverage their name recognition to increase business .... In addition, brand companies tend to have dominance in their fields.

"Brands themselves are what one might call soft assets -- they don't actually show up in the balance sheet of a company's financial statements," said Robert Millen, chairman and portfolio manager of Jensen Investment Management, which has shares in Procter & Gamble, Coca-Cola and Johnson & Johnson. "But the value of that brand is clearly in the business -- and it takes years and years to build. Once you've built that strength and you continue to feed it and support it over time, then you get ... pricing power that allows the business to maintain margins throughout varying economic periods. Secondly, you get repeat business. And those two things lead to consistent earnings."

Branded-products companies have a higher propensity to pass along price increases when they have increasing costs themselves, said Larry Coats, of the Oak Value Fund in Durham, N.C.

"The consumer is buying more than just the raw material," said Coats, whose top holdings include 3M, American Express, Oracle and Berkshire Hathaway. "They're buying something else, whether it's a trusted relationship, or confidence in the product, an acknowledement of a higher quality."

To that end, one brand company that Coats, a value investor, has been buying in recent months is Tiffany, which consistently produces gross margins of 55 percent to 57 percent, above the 50 percent of typical jewelry retailers.

One of the key qualities Gary Bradshaw, of Hodges Capital Management in Dallas, seeks in brand companies is the ability to expand products overseas. The thinking is that though mature brands may have little room to grow domestically they could use their overseas plants and vast marketing power to tailor their products in a way that would help them gain market share in emerging economies.

But brand investing is not without its pitfalls. Even Buffett has had his share of stumbles despite his long-term record.

But in 1989, Berkshire Hathaway invested $358 million in US Air for 9.25 percent of the airline's preferred stock. In his 1996 letter to shareholders, Buffett wrote that he was "beguiled by the company's long history of profitable operations, and by the protection that ownership of a senior security seemingly offered me."

But, Buffett said, he overlooked a crucial fact: The airline industry was rapidly deregulating. This created cutthroat competition that ate into US Air's earnings even as it had to maintain a cost structure held over from a time when federal regulation protected the carrier's profit. Buffett unloaded his US Air shares at a gain in 1998, avoiding two bankruptcies by the airline in following years, but he characterized his analysis of the airline as "superficial and wrong."








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Posted By: purna
Date Posted: 13/Dec/2009 at 8:40am
They are the conditions or situations in the market. Monopoly occurs when there is only one supplier in the market. Duopoly occurs when there are only two suppliers, and oligopoly is when there are only a few suppliers in the market.




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Posted By: uthiff
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 12:02pm
In an oligoplies , there are only a few firms that make up an industry. This select group of firms has control over the price and, like a monopoly, an oligopoly has high barriers to entry. The products that the oligopolistic firms produce are often nearly identical and, therefore, the companies, which are competing for market share, are interdependent as a result of market forces. Assume, for example, that an economy needs only 100 widgets. Company X produces 50 widgets and its competitor, Company Y, produces the other 50. The prices of the two brands will be interdependent and, therefore, similar. So, if Company X starts selling the widgets at a lower price, it will get a greater market share, thereby forcing Company Y to lower its prices as well.



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Posted By: biks
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 11:36pm

Monopolies are disdained by the consumer bodies at large and are discouraged by the government (populism rules!) ... as substantiated by the MRTP Act.

Oligopolies, sooner or later 'evolve' into a cartel during rain (adversity/ weakening demand) or sunshine (spiralling or unsatiated demand) and for the record, more often than not the times for such companies oscillate between the two seasons... They too are abhorred by the Goverment & though the unscrupulous among the politicians and bureaucracy have an axe to grind, no one wants to be caught by the proletariats with their pants down... Therefore, such companies also end up being nipped or clipped in the longer run.

Enter MONOPSONY... the least talked about but most potent form of 'acceptable exploitation'... Imagine an entity like the mammoth Walmart dictating terms to all its suppliers on account of its huge reach (geography), marketing muscle, voluminous offtake & deep - very, very deep pockets. The consumers at large love them for the cost efficacy they bring. The government supports them for the same reason as well as the jobs they create (though more jobs are created by them in the developing countries) & the revenues they contribute to the exchequer (consumption attracts covert/ indirect taxes).

MTNL, in the not too distant past, was one unique entity that was both a monopoly as well as a monopsony. Alas, the advent & thereafter proliferation of the mobile phones coupled with the sluggish PSU culture saw this 'navratna' sleep-walk on to the scaffold with a noose around its neck, dutifully biding its time - till some one did it the honours!




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Posted By: NeerajMarathe
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2010 at 1:22am
some duopolies i can think of...
HEG and Graphite india
Sona Koyo and ZF Steering..

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Neeraj Marathe



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