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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 23/Jul/2009 at 1:40am
From experts:
Dividends is what you get paid for waiting until price catches up with value.
 
Lynch once recommended a stock at DY of 11% but did not consider it attractive at 8% yield.
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 23/Jul/2009 at 8:05am

These are the kind of stocks that see good appreciation  - so good that it even beats the sensex over long periods of time. So I do realize that they might fall just like a typical growth stock. But with these stocks, there will be a little voice in my head saying "You will still get 5% of the invested amount soon, just like in a liquid fund".

Mentally, I think these type of stocks are a lot easier to own. Next time we see a 2008 type crash, I'll let you know if owning such stocks makes any difference!
 
This one is something linke cork crown and seal which lynch talked about in his book.
 
Manaksia, which came out with an IPO in 2007 is almost exactly an equivalent of Cork, Crown and Seal. But I think Manaksia messed up with FY09.
 
The stocks that I pick now has to do well in FY09. That was the year that separated the men (L&T) from the boys (Punj Loyd) and wheat (Infy) from the chaff (Satyam). If a company has done well in a bad year like FY09, I think it might go places.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 23/Jul/2009 at 11:02am
Manaksia is worth considering.
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 24/Jul/2009 at 5:02pm

Bought KCP Ltd  (www.kcp.co.in)

KCP is a diversified company with interests in cement, heavy engineering, sugar, hydro power, wind power, software, biotechnology and hotels. Looks like JP Associates is a role model for this company.

The heavy engineering division makes cement, steel, sugar and power plant machinery. This division contributes 25% to the topline and has OPM of 50%! Sugar business is thankfully located not in India, but in Vietnam - where there are no price controls.

KCP Ltd could get a P/E re-rating when its capital goods business starts contributing more to the topline.

Market Cap: Rs. 389 crores
P/E: 5.0
Dividend Yield: 3.3%
4 Yr Sales Growth: 25% CAGR
4 Yr Profit Growth: 60% CAGR
FY09 Sales/Profits: Rs. 405 crores and Rs. 65 crores
Dividend per share from FY05 to FY09: 3.00, 5.00, 10.00, 10.00, 10.00
RoE: 27%

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- However one spins the KCP story, what's quite obvious is that it is still a commodity company (for now). About 60% of its revenues come from cement while sugar contributes around 12%.

- Management expects the heavy engineering division to report flat topline growth in FY10

- Company getting into software & biotechnology (both in losses right now) implies that promoters want to try their luck with the latest fad.

- Diversifying into hotel business this year. Hmm... just because JP Associates too has a hotel?

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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 24/Jul/2009 at 5:10pm
Originally posted by smartcat

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The heavy engineering division makes cement, steel, sugar and power plant machinery. This division contributes 25% to the topline and has OPM of 50%! Sugar business is thankfully located not in India, but in Vietnam - where there are no price controls...


As written, it appears that the HED makes machinery for cement, steel, sugar and power plant. Then where is the question of price control for sugar (which is getting costlier by the day)? If, on the other hand, you mean the HED makes sugar, then is this a novel chemical process requiring heavy engineering? Confused Confused Confused As you can see, I'm confused. Of course, this is mostly status quo for me so please don't ruin your weekend trying to explain what exactly you meant.


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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 24/Jul/2009 at 5:17pm
They have a sugar division in Nam that makes sugar. And a cement division in India that makes cement. This is KCP's commodity business.
 
They also have a heavy engineering division that makes some heavy stuff like turbines, boilers, generators etc - a micro sized L&T.


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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 24/Jul/2009 at 7:02pm
Some serious competition to Ashish Chugh (so called Hidden Gems expert) ???!!!
"You don't need to be a rocket scientist. Investing is not a game where the guy with the 160 IQ beat the guy with a 130 IQ. Rationality is essential"- Warren Buffett
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 29/Jul/2009 at 4:38pm
Are you still holding on to Fame? From your price it has jumped up by 50 p.c. Looks decent, hence asking.
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