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Topic: Firstsource Solutions
Posted By: tyler_durden
Subject: Firstsource Solutions
Date Posted: 18/Jun/2007 at 7:54pm
http://www.icicionesource.com/company/FSLFactsheet_Q42007.pdf - http://www.icicionesource.com/company/FSLFactsheet_Q42007.pdf

this looks like a strong performance... With indian bpo industry growing and movng ahead strongly is first source thr right company to ride the growth wave...



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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2007 at 1:33pm
Ananda Mukerji, CEO of FirstSource, an Indian outsourcing company with a focus on banks, explains why all call centre work is not commoditised.
 
Some excerpts....
Can you give us some background on the firm?
We started in 2002 as ICICI OneSource then renamed before our IPO. ICICI Bank currently accounts for only 3% of our revenues. We have 15,000 people spread at delivery centres across the world. For the year ended March 31 2007, we achieved revenues of Rs8.4 billion ($207 million).

What is your niche within the BPO space?
We have a clear focus on verticals. We have built competency and capability in the banking, financial services and insurance (BFSI) space. Last year 52% of our revenues was from clients such as Capital One, HSBC, Citi, Lloyds TSB and Wachovia. Three of the top five banks in the US and two of the top five banks in the UK are our clients. We also have competence in the telecom/media and healthcare space. Two of the top 10 telecom companies and the top two healthcare players in the US are our clients.

There is a perception that voice work is lower end. What is your comment?
Complexity is not related to voice but to the extent of decision-making that is required from the person handling the work. A lot of the outsourcing work done in India is call centre work but that does not mean that all of it is commoditised.


What is your strategy to grow revenues?
Our strategy to win business is to see how we can move across the value chain to service our customer across as many services as possible. We have customers with whom we have started with one process and are now doing 40 processes.

Let me take as an example mortgage origination for a bank. We start by doing the processing that happens when the application comes in then hand it back to the bank to do the underwriting then take the file back and do the entire processing. Now we could also be doing the underwriting for the bank.


What is your geographical diversification strategy?
We believe that a global delivery model is critical. We are setting up operations where our customers are.

We now have six centres in the US employing 1000 people and 2 centres in the UK employing 1000 people.

Our clients are asking us to take on services in the Indian domestic market. This is a market which has evolved in the last few years – our clients are looking for international quality offerings from companies such as us.

We are now targeting Indian companies keen to outsource processes to us. Note that labour arbitrage does not play any factor in this. We expect that next year our India business will be 10% of our overall revenue. It is small but growing satisfactorily.

We have a delivery centre in Argentina which employs 400 people. We will set up in the Philippines shortly with about 200 people. We are looking at Eastern Europe as a delivery centre.
 
Source:  http://www.financeasia.com/article.aspx?CIID=84433 - article here  on FA 
 
 


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Posted By: deepinsight
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2007 at 2:35pm
 
 
I find the company quite attractive.
 
My main concerns stem around the
1. the very high attiration rates (30-40%)
2. the rising costs level for employees (Rupee appreciation, salary increase, training.....)
3. the challange of continously growing through acquisitions (even though they have done an amazing job)
 
 
Basically my underlying concern is that - there is high execution risk in the business model - where too many things need to be alligned for success.
 
In effect an investor could make high rewards with the company but the risks he is taking for that reward is high.
 
Would you agree?


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2007 at 11:36pm
Maybe someone from the industry or who's tracking this sector can throw some light on sustainability & durability of this business model.
 
 


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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2007 at 5:37am

It is BPO business. Very simple business and very prone to attrition, wage inflation, Currency fluctuation.

Personally, I feel firstsource wants to become very big. Is it INFY of BPO space ??? Confused


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Posted By: s_praharaj
Date Posted: 08/Jul/2007 at 3:52pm
since the company is also getting sizable revenues from foreign countries, how much will be the effect of the strong rupee on the revenues of this company is to be seen. High attrition rate, high salary and dearth of competent personnels in this field also is a great risk.

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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 08/Jul/2007 at 5:49am
since the company is also getting sizable revenues from foreign countries, how much will be the effect of the strong rupee on the revenues of this company is to be seen. High attrition rate, high salary and dearth of competent personnels in this field also is a great risk.
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Probably all of them will affect it poorly but these causes will encourage them for more & more foreign buy outs. This is true for all IT, BPO companies.
On different note, can somebody share views on fully INR convertibility ? As per my sources, this will be done sooner thant later.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2007 at 9:02pm
Firstsource Solutions Ltd - Conference Call
The company clocked revenues of US$99mn in CY06 with EBIDTA margins at 22-24%. Over the last 3-4 years, organic revenues have grown at 8-10% while profitability has been stable at 22-24% EBIDTA.

The management of Firstsource hosted a conference call to discuss their recent acquisition of MedAssist. Key takeaways were as follows  

  • MedAssist is a US-based provider of end-to-end revenue cycle management services to various local healthcare providers (mainly hospitals) through its pan-US presence. It assists hospitals in collecting revenues from commercials players like insurance companies, federal/state government/agencies, etc. It has about 1,400 employees and 800 hospitals as clients.

  • MedAssist has three main service offerings - eligibility services (60-65% of revenues), collections services (15-17% of revenues) and receivables management (20-25%). In eligibility services, it maximizes the eligibility of the private-pay patients (uninsured) for fed/state and other financial assistance programs and manages their application and re-imbursement process for hospitals.

  • Firstsource will pay US$330mn (about 3.3x revenues and 15x EBIDTA of CY06) financed by US$275mn line of credit at 250-300 bps above LIBOR (five-year duration) and rest US$55mn from internal accruals. Company has sufficient cash balance as significant part of the recent IPO proceeds were earmarked for acquisitions. Firstsource did not opt for the earn-out model as in earlier acquisitions due to high performance visibility of MedAssist. The acquisition will create goodwill of US$325mn in company’s books.

Key rationale for the acquisition were

  • The acquisition is complimentary in nature as it gives Firstsource significant presence on the provider side (hospitals) of healthcare back-office services market. Company already has presence on the payer side (insurance providers).

  • As per the company there are significant cross-selling opportunities within Medassist clients for its existing services as most of its clients are using only one of them. Further, cross-selling opportunities exist in the form of offering transaction processing, customer services, etc of Firstsource to the large clientele (more than 1,000 clients) of MedAssist.

  • Leveraging cost benefits and capabilities by offshoring significant part of operations in the long term. However, the extent of offshoring would not be as high as 85-90% like for other BPO services due to MedAssist’s presence at the local level in US.    

  • Acquisition would be EPS accretive from current year.

Other positives about MedAssist include

  • It has been a provider of revenue cylce management services from last 18+ years

  • Experienced top management team

  • Average client relationship of about 14 years

  • Strong profitability (similar to Firstsource) with superior Revenue/FTE

  • Pan-US presence with capability to deliver from multiple locations

  • Strong competitive position

  • Revenue/FTE is high for MedAssist at about US$6,500 per month due to 100% output based pricing which enables company to retain benefits from higher productivity and efficiencies.

  • Other reasons for higher profitability of MedAssist include its capability to generate significant savings/benefits for its clients and high operating leverage and utilization.

  • Top customer contributes 4.3% and Top 10 contributes 29% of revenues for MedAssist. Renewal rate has been 90-95% for top clients.

  • Firstsource expects the top management of MedAssist to stay post integration as they are also excited about the resulting synergies.

  • In FY08, post integration of MedAssist, Firstsource expects all three key verticals of Healthcare, Telecom and BFSI to contribute 33% each.

  • Healthcare business in US amounts to about US$700bn with administrative costs estimated at 14% ie US$100bn, which translates into a huge opportunity for the BPO players. Revenue cycle management in specific has been one of the pain areas for hospitals as they have been losing significant money (about US$28bn in CY05) due to non-compensation of care provided by them.

  • Competition faced by MedAssist is service specific. In eligibility services, competition is from a number of small local players and 3-4 large players having pan-US presence. One of the large competitors is MedAssets. In receivable and collections services, competition is higher than in eligibility services. Large competitors here include MCO, Perot Systems, etc.

  • Management clarified that Firstsource has no presence in the US sub-prime mortgage market. It has exposure to UK mortgage market but the sub-prime exposure is less than 1% of revenues.

  • Earlier, the management had guided for 50% rupee revenue growth (Rs12.4-12.5bn) and 11-13% NPM for FY08. Now, they expect an addition of US$50-55mn to the above revenue guidance with expected integration of MedAssist for six months in FY08. Profitability guidance is unchanged due to similar to Firstsource profitability of MedAssist.   

Source: http://www.indiainfoline.com/company/innernews.asp?storyId=44128&lmn=4 - Indiainfoline
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 31/Aug/2007 at 1:16am
I have read in ET that 47% of their revenues come from US.

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Posted By: Buffet
Date Posted: 27/Nov/2007 at 11:42am
voice-based BPOs tend to be more dependent on english speaking countries, atleast for sometime to come. It is a high risk model and easy to replicate. So it will be very difficult to scale up and keep the margins. IT services may find it easier to get business outside, in comparison. Coding, after all is language independent -:)


Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 28/Nov/2007 at 12:55pm
not worth holding....post my stint with maruti...am working with bank of america...and we were a big client of first source...recently i came across a report card of various BPOs workin for BOA...first source has lost BOA account due to very poor performance....and BOA 's standards are not that tough to meet

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