Ess Dee Aluminium - largest pharma packaging
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Topic: Ess Dee Aluminium - largest pharma packaging
Posted By: deveshkayal
Subject: Ess Dee Aluminium - largest pharma packaging
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2007 at 8:40pm
Ess Dee Aluminium - India's largest provider of pharma packaging solutions (CMP-Rs.267) having a market cap of Rs.675 crore.
Fidelity has picked up 5% stake in this co. ICICI and Marc Faber hold around 3.5% and 4% equity respectively.Other investors include Nimesh Kampani and Jagdish Master of Enam.
According to sources,the company plans to invest $40-50 million to set up a plant in Dubai and acquire a company in South Africa.The company faces a situation where demand outstrips supply.
I started this thread just because some high profile investors has invested in this co. Comments invited from TEDies. Thanks....
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2007 at 8:46pm
Devesh jee
Please carry out comparison to Bhaiyya's Bilcare on various parameters.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2007 at 8:52pm
I m sorry Kulmanji ....i would request Basantji for this..
Basantji has said this could be a dark horse in Bilcare thread.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2007 at 9:01pm
Koshish karo......try try.....don't cry!
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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2007 at 6:07am
Looks 'emerging star' (as per sharekhan term).
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2007 at 10:18pm
That loud man has Ess Dee Aluminium as his favourite picks from the midcap space.
What is the story for the small cap Ess Dee Aluminium?
It is a stock in packaging business, basically in the aluminium, aluminium foils and blister packaging, i.e aluminium and PVC and almost 90% of their customers are in domestic pharmaceutical companies.
They are also expanding their capacity to 18,000 tonnes, which was earlier 6,000-8,000 tonnes. They are also trying to enter the FMCG space and they have a strong supply to domestic pharma companies. The margins come in because of the draw down in terms of thickness that happens.
They manufacture foils of various layers from 3-7 layers used for packaging of most of the pharmaceutical capsules. The stock looks cheap at the current level although we have not initiated the coverage but we are likely to do that in a short span of time.
Overall, we like the story in terms of earnings growth, valuation and the niche business they are in but at the same time one should remember that in this particular business, there is not a great pricing power because it is a cost plus business both for FMCG and Pharma because the buyers are extremely large corporations.
At the same time, on the raw material side, the raw material suppliers are bit multinational companies and so on that side there may not be much levy in terms of credit and so it's a highly working capital intensive business but at the same time with capacity expansion and existing client base looks an interesting story at this point in time.
Source: Moneycontrol
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Posted By: vishal.sahay
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2007 at 11:10pm
Devash jee, can you please tell me from where did u got this information that investors like Fidelity, ICICI, Marc Faber and Nimesh Kampani hold stake in this company.
Also if youc ould tell where ESS Dee and Bilcare are exactly inot the same line of business. If yes, r the margins enjoyed by Ess Dee are better compared to Bilcare and what about the management?
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2007 at 6:36am
Keep yourself away from sharekhans Ugly duck and emerging stars (Time period for is indefinite to become so !!)
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2007 at 6:38am
Deveshji,
Why not bilcare ? (BIG BULL RJ-is bullish on it since long time )
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2007 at 8:39am
Keep yourself away from sharekhans Ugly duck and emerging stars
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Sandeep jee is absolutely right! TVS, Marksons, Nelco etc remained ugly!!
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2007 at 10:10am
Originally posted by vishal.sahay
Devash jee, can you please tell me from where did u got this information that investors like Fidelity, ICICI, Marc Faber and Nimesh Kampani hold stake in this company.
Also if youc ould tell where ESS Dee and Bilcare are exactly inot the same line of business. If yes, r the margins enjoyed by Ess Dee are better compared to Bilcare and what about the management? |
Vishalji,.Source of information is ET. If such investors are betting on this company then that means they have faith in the management.
Bilcare Ess Dee Aluminium
ROE 31.84% 105.22%
ROCE 18.80% 56.51%
Debt-Equity 1.67% 1.94%
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2007 at 11:01am
The IPO prospectus states that Nimesh Shah of Enam holds around 100,000 shares in ESS DEE!!!
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2007 at 4:47pm
Interesting Story of Sudip Dutta
Meeting Sudip Dutta, the chairman and managing director of Ess Dee Aluminium, can be a surreal experience. Here he was, on a typically wet monsoon evening in Mumbai, sitting at a corner table in Copper Chimney, a restaurant that draws the reasonably well-heeled.
His Toyota Prado was parked outside, while a Mitsubishi Pajero, a Mercedes Benz and a fourth car he could not recall were at home. Clad in a tailored suit, he looked well groomed, and well fed. But when he spoke, it was of pantha bhat, which is the previous day’s fermented rice, flavoured with salt, chopped onions and pickles. It is something the poor in the eastern states survive on.
Sipping Chivas Regal, Dutta said: “Often, our family would have pantha bhat for breakfast, and we didn’t know where the next meal would come from.” That was 1988, in Durgapur. His father, a former army man, had just died.
Preparing for his higher secondary examinations, all Dutta knew was that Mumbai was the land of opportunity. Finally, the day the practical exams ended, Dutta bought the ticket. “I have everything now. But there is one thing I know. You can control everything but hunger. If you are hungry, you have to do something about it.
When Dutta came to Mumbai at the age of 17, he joined a company that made pouches to package medicines on a salary of Rs 15 a day. He packed medicines, loaded them on trucks and was also the delivery boy. He wouldn’t go home for weeks and slept in the factory.
Opportunity knocked in 1991, after two years of toil, when the company’s owners wanted to sell it. By that time Dutta had accumulated Rs 16,000 through savings and Diwali bonuses. The cost of the pouch making machine was Rs 2.5 lakh. He offered to take charge of the company. As payment, he would give the owners all the profit after paying workers’ salaries and keeping Rs 5,000 for himself every month. In two years, he had settled the debt.
In 1994, he managed to get distributorship from Indal, which supplied the basic aluminium foil. The first printing unit was bought in 1997. Sometime later, Dutta noticed that Hindalco, which had acquired Indal, was losing interest in foils. That was the time to integrate backwards and start aluminium foil rolling.
The initial public offer of his company was floated last year, during which Dutta admits to an inability to sleep until he heard that the qualified institutional portion had been subscribed 52 times. The first television interview, preceded by frenzied smoking, made him a nervous wreck.
Today, Dutta betrays a touch of pride when he says that of his 700 employees, at least 450 are MBAs, engineers or chartered accountants. “Education only teaches you how to respect people,” he says.
“If you give me a balance sheet, I will not be able to discuss the schedules, but will tell you what the problem with the company is”
Source: BS
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The stock has more than doubled in five months (since we started)...
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2007 at 11:52pm
Very interesting rags to riches story.
P.S.: An unrelated development in rags to riches: Ashok Malhotra, a chhole-bhature-walla !!
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Posted By: Ariel
Date Posted: 22/Jun/2011 at 6:41pm
We are trying to penetrate Indian market as well with our pharma packaging and counting machines. I hope will manage to do just that.
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Data Technologies http://www.data-technologies.com/ - Packaging and Counting Solutions
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 22/Jun/2011 at 8:50pm
Originally posted by deveshkayal
Interesting Story of Sudip Dutta
Meeting Sudip Dutta, the chairman and managing director of Ess Dee Aluminium, can be a surreal experience. Here he was, on a typically wet monsoon evening in Mumbai, sitting at a corner table in Copper Chimney, a restaurant that draws the reasonably well-heeled.
His Toyota Prado was parked outside, while a Mitsubishi Pajero, a Mercedes Benz and a fourth car he could not recall were at home. Clad in a tailored suit, he looked well groomed, and well fed. But when he spoke, it was of pantha bhat, which is the previous day’s fermented rice, flavoured with salt, chopped onions and pickles. It is something the poor in the eastern states survive on.
Sipping Chivas Regal, Dutta said: “Often, our family would have pantha bhat for breakfast, and we didn’t know where the next meal would come from.” That was 1988, in Durgapur. His father, a former army man, had just died.
Preparing for his higher secondary examinations, all Dutta knew was that Mumbai was the land of opportunity. Finally, the day the practical exams ended, Dutta bought the ticket. “I have everything now. But there is one thing I know. You can control everything but hunger. If you are hungry, you have to do something about it.
When Dutta came to Mumbai at the age of 17, he joined a company that made pouches to package medicines on a salary of Rs 15 a day. He packed medicines, loaded them on trucks and was also the delivery boy. He wouldn’t go home for weeks and slept in the factory.
Opportunity knocked in 1991, after two years of toil, when the company’s owners wanted to sell it. By that time Dutta had accumulated Rs 16,000 through savings and Diwali bonuses. The cost of the pouch making machine was Rs 2.5 lakh. He offered to take charge of the company. As payment, he would give the owners all the profit after paying workers’ salaries and keeping Rs 5,000 for himself every month. In two years, he had settled the debt.
In 1994, he managed to get distributorship from Indal, which supplied the basic aluminium foil. The first printing unit was bought in 1997. Sometime later, Dutta noticed that Hindalco, which had acquired Indal, was losing interest in foils. That was the time to integrate backwards and start aluminium foil rolling.
The initial public offer of his company was floated last year, during which Dutta admits to an inability to sleep until he heard that the qualified institutional portion had been subscribed 52 times. The first television interview, preceded by frenzied smoking, made him a nervous wreck.
Today, Dutta betrays a touch of pride when he says that of his 700 employees, at least 450 are MBAs, engineers or chartered accountants. “Education only teaches you how to respect people,” he says.
“If you give me a balance sheet, I will not be able to discuss the schedules, but will tell you what the problem with the company is”
Source: BS
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The stock has more than doubled in five months (since we started)... |
This what we call a fairy tale being sold to gullible investors to prop up the share price.These are classic examples of paid journalism .Business India, Forbes India, ET,CNBC ,NDTV profit,DNA are specially apt in these.Remeber Radia tapes.
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Posted By: sailor1980
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2011 at 12:43pm
I have been tracking Ess Dee for last 2-3 months. The only reason that interested me is the fact that Sequoia picked up a small stake in around Jan'11 @~Rs440 and then added substantial stake (now total stake is around 6.7%) in Aug'11 @~Rs.220.
I understand that this is not the smartest way to invest. But, I trust these guys like Sequoia are like vultures who will scrutinize a company very well for months before investing and then sit on the board after making an investment. Recently, they picked up a good chunk in the company I work for and the main Sequoia guy has joined the board of directors. That Sequoia guy has been visiting our office and meeting the senior management for almost an year.
Another interesting thing is ESS DEE is in a boring business and is held by strong folks (promoters, FII and Corporates hold around 95%). It is not recognized by the street (retail junta holds a small amount). So, currently there is no frenzy. When ever there is PE re-rating, there could be great upside.
I would like to get the views of Teddies, if you guys currently see value in ESS DEE from 3-5 years perspective.
Regards, Vijay
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Posted By: sailor1980
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2011 at 6:18pm
Hi All,
I found this write up about ESS DEE..A little old..But still tells a lot of 'good things' about ESS DEE
http://www.valuenotes.com/buy/Two-attractive-mid-cap-stocks/172350/15040020.00/C
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Posted By: sajit
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2011 at 7:02pm
Fact that most of the shares are with promoters and institutions indicates that there is something right with this company.. Any idea on the poor performance in the last quarter?
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Posted By: sailor1980
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2011 at 9:56am
The underperformance could probably be because of high aluminium prices...With global commodity cooling off, this underperformance many be a temporary phenomenon...at least I guess so...
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Posted By: sailor1980
Date Posted: 21/Nov/2011 at 6:08pm
Fall in Aluminium prices is good for packaging companies such as ESS DEE..
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/features/investors-guide/aluminium-prices-unlikely-to-rebound-amid-a-slowdown/articleshow/10793765.cms
I have started picking up ESS DEE from these levels
Regards, Vijay
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Posted By: Hrishi
Date Posted: 21/Nov/2011 at 6:49pm
How is the mgmt?
Dividend payout is just 5.5%. And yield at CMP comes to 1.5%.
It had a straight fall from 480 Rs. to CMP of 130 Rs. Which is 70% fall, but then Aluminium corrected some 38% in this year.
Again packaging is not a big moat business. (This is my current understanding, correct me if I am wrong.)
So why to buy a small cap, with no dividend yield, commodity based company?
(For commodity play and turn around of macro, i will rather look at Sesa Goa.)
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