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Topic: GBN - WHatever it takes!
Posted By: basant
Subject: GBN - WHatever it takes!
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 9:42am
Originally posted by BubbleVision

BasantJi....
 
Should GBN IPO be suscribed at the upper end?
 
Missed this earlier. At  market cap of Rs 700 crores GBN appears attractive compared to the others in this field and hence merits investment. However the real boost to EPS will come in Fy 08 only.
 
Investors who had applied for the Cairn IPO are are getting the cane.


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Posted By: vnstks
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 2:33am
Originally posted by basant

 
Missed this earlier. At  market cap of Rs 700 crores GBN appears attractive compared to the others in this field and hence merits investment. However the real boost to EPS will come in Fy 08 only.
 
Investors who had applied for the Cairn IPO are are getting the cane.
 
Basantji - Sometime back you were talking about possibility of benefit to ILFS with GBN IPO. Do you see that materializing now?
 
Also of the two stocks below which is the one to benfit from GBN IPO
IL & FS Investsmart Ltd
IL&FS Investment Managers Ltd


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 6:33am
I am not sure in which of these companies they have their PE fund but that PE fund could make more then double its initial investment of Rs 40 crores in one year. But that would be an indirect and difficult play also we are not sure whether that PE is in the listed arm or not.

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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 09/Jan/2007 at 9:07am
now we all know that GBN is coming with an ipo on 15 jan at a premium of 250-350.so basant would yu be kind enough to let us all know the following how much value does this create to tv 18 shareholers per share.what shall be the mkt cap of gbn. is gbn a buy on listing and how does gbn grow in the future.thxs

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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 2:14pm

CNN-IBN anchors are just fantastic.Rajdeep,his wife Sagarika,Karan Thapar,Rajeev Masand,Vidya.The guest feels like they have come out of jail after an interview with Karan.he is a dangerous man.It is only channel having a youth show Minus 30. A tie-up with CNN is an added advantage.In just a short period,it is way ahead of NDTV.There is no dum in NDTV



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 2:50pm
Devesh you are absolutely bang on. These guys are absolutely phenomenal. I like the way in which Sagarika Ghosh conducts India 360 "You the citizen of India....." also Karan Thapar looks to be a Kinder garten teacher and does create some real tension (fun) especially when the person on the other side is a bit irritated.I sometimes fear that he could get hit
 
About the company they should be up with a slew of regional news channels which unlike the hindi news space is virgin territory. ALso GBN is owed 26% by Haresh Chawla, Sameer Manchanda Rajdeep etc which shows their faith in the company.In fact I saw Haresh Chawla's shareholding drop in TV18 (from BSE site) and probably he used the money to apply in GBN which makes me think that this company would do as well as Tv18.
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 8:41am
Post IPO GBN will have a float of around 40 lac shares. COmpare this to about 2.7 crore for NDTV and 2.6 crore for Tv18. I think that if the company does even slightly well there would be a huge scarcity premium (Wipro trades at a premium over Infosys for over a decade now). Markets are not about EPS and PE always though this is no reason to buy the stock because the movement will be determined more by fundamentals rather then by free float it should however create some magic if GBN delivers as I expect it to.
 
FOr the Network 18 shareholders this will be reflected in the price of Network 18(shall ultimately hold 57% in GBN). FInancial Tech holds only 61% of MCX still the former has been a 40 bagger so anything more then 51% (helps it consolidate accounts) should not be a worry.


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 11:16am

Basant jee, what kind of CAGR is expected to have over the next 3-4 years?



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 11:54am
Situation is very fluid let us wait for company to list and management to speak. I think should be certainly more then 30%

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 11/Jan/2007 at 7:10am

“We realised the performance of the channel has permitted us to reach here and to take the leap of faith to involve shareholders to invest in the company. We want to take capital and invest in an area where there is tremendous growth opportunity,” MD, Global Broadcast News Ltd, Raghav Bahl says.

With better subscription models like Direct to Home, CAS, IPTV and mobile TV, GBN expects subscription revenue to compliment the advertisement revenues.

“I think this is only going to grow. If you look at markets especially US and other countries, the growth has been exponential. In the US, when DTH was introduced in 1994-95, the growth has been to 30 mn homes in 10 years. We will also see a considerable scaling up on all these fronts,” Joint MD, Global Broadcast News Ltd, Sameer Manchanda says.

Source: ibnlive.com

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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 12/Jan/2007 at 11:30am

HT Review of GBN issue

1)Primary concern include corporate governance issues.the promoter and the company has been hauled to court by minority shareholders of e-eighteen.com who claim to have been bypassed contrary to an agreement made in 2000.The suit size of Rs 3014 crore could have crippling connotations if decided against the company.

2)There r also issues of JMD drawing remuneration in excess of what is prescribed in Companies Act and the IB Ministry issuing show cause notice to the company to the aforesaid BK Fincap.

The company seems to have entered capital markets at least a year earlier than it should have.Investors might be better served by adopting a wait and watch attitude for now.

Basantji,whats your comment on this.



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Jan/2007 at 11:46am

I am hearing this for the first time and it does sound strange. But I could not find it disclosed in the company's prospectus?

Except as disclosed below, there are no outstanding litigation, suits or criminal or civil rosecutions, proceedings or tax liabilities against our Company, our Directors, our Promoters or

Promoter group companies, that would have a material adverse effect on our business and there

are no defaults, non-payment or overdue of statutory dues, institutional/bank dues and dues

payable to holders of any debentures, bonds and fixed deposits that would have a material adverse

effect on our business other than unclaimed liabilities against our Company or Directors or

Promoters or Promoter group companies or subsidiaries and joint ventures.

I. Litigation against our Company

A. Contingent liabilities as of March 31, 2006

(Rs. in million)

Contingent Liabilities Amount

Guarantees given by banks on behalf of

the Company

81.72

Export obligations in respect of capital

goods under the export promotion

capital goods scheme

81.68

Estimated amounts of contracts

remaining to be executed on capital

account (net of advances)

10.96

B. Cases by Statutory Authorities/ Government of India

1. Our Company has received a showcause notice dated July 5, 2006 from the MIB, in

relation to certain advertisements telecast by our Company, which appeared to be

indirectly promoting sale or consumption of alcohol, in violation of the Cable Television

Networks (Regulation) Act, 1995. The notice sought cause as to why action as per the

provisions of the Cable Television Networks (Regulation) Act, 1995 should not be taken

against our Company, and also as to why uplinking permission granted to us should not

be revoked. Pending decision on this notice, our Company has been directed to suspend

telecast of the said advertisements until further notice. We have through a letter dated July

25, 2006 clarified that the advertisement under consideration has no relation to any

alcoholic beverages as alleged and in this context requested that the notice be withdrawn.

C. Legal notices received by our Company

We have received 14 legal notices in relation to the news items broadcast on our channel

CNN-IBN or published on ibnlive.com. The details of these legal notices are as follows:

1. Our Company has received legal notice dated January 4, 2006 from NAFED in relation to

news reports about misuse of Rs. 36,000 million by the said organisation. The notice

alleges that our Company has contravened the ‘programme code’ by telecasting

defamatory imputations, suggestive innuendos and half truths. Our Company has through

a letter dated January 17, 2006 denied all allegations raised in the legal notice. NAFED

has through a letter dated January 25, 2006 claimed an amount of Rs. 5,000 million on

account of damages and has threatened to initiate legal proceedings against our Company.

Our Company has also received legal notice dated January 4, 2006 from Mr. Homi

Rajvansh, Additional Managing Director, NAFED in relation to the same matter. Our

Company has through a letter dated January 17, 2006 denied all allegations raised in the

legal notice.

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2. Our Company has received legal notice dated February 28, 2006 from Mr. Abhishek

Verma in relation to an allegedly defamatory news item broadcast by our Company

requiring our Company to immediately cease and desist from authoring/writing, editing,

publishing, printing and/or disseminating through the internet or otherwise the said news

item, tender and publish unconditional apology and Rs. 2.5 million as damages. Our

Company has through a letter dated March 6, 2006 denied all allegations raised in the

legal notice.

3. Our Company has received legal notice dated March 6, 2006 from the Ms. Mayawati in

relation to an allegedly defamatory news item broadcast by our Company. The

complainant has claimed an amount of Rs. 100 million as damages and has sought

information from our Company relating to ownership and shareholding of our Company

and properties/ assets owned by such persons. Our Company has denied the allegations

through letters dated March 17, 2006.

4. Our Company has received legal notice dated March 29, 2006 from Mrs. Ajanta

Mohapatra who has sought Rs. 0.5 million as damages in relation to an allegedly

defamatory news item broadcast by our Company. Our Company has denied all

allegations through a letter dated May 28, 2006.

5. Our Company has received legal notice dated April 6, 2006 from Mr. Hari Lal Sharma in

relation to a news item on trading of certain fake paintings broadcast by our Company.

The complainant has sought an unconditional apology in relation to the same. Our

Company is in the process of replying to the notice.

6. Our Company has received legal notice dated April 8, 2006 from the Maharashtra unit of

the Bahujan Samaj Party through its state president Mr. Vilas Garud in relation to an

allegedly defamatory news item broadcast by our Company. The complaint has claimed

an amount of Rs. 2,000 million as damages and has sought information from our

Company relating to ownership and shareholding of our Company and properties/ assets

owned by such persons. Our Company has denied the allegations through letter dated

June 5, 2006.

7. Our Company has received legal notice dated April 15, 2006 from Ushodaya Enterprises

Limited and Newstoday Private Limited in relation to the alleged infringement of the

copyright of the complainant due to the non-acknowledgement of the complainants with

respect to a news item broadcast by our Company. The complainants have claimed an

amount of Rs. 0.5 million as damages in relation to the same and have demanded that our

Company cease and desist from communicating or causing to communicate to public in

any manner any news clippings or any other programmes telecast by the complainants.

Our Company is considering its options to take further suitable actions.

8. Our Company has received legal notice dated April 21, 2006 from Reliance Energy

Limited in relation to an allegedly defamatory news item broadcast by our Company. The

complainant has sought a clarification/apology within one day of receipt of the notice.

Our Company has denied all allegations through a letter dated May 28, 2006.

9. Our Company has received a legal notice dated June 23, 2006 from Children’s House

International, an international adoption agency, in relation to an allegedly defamatory

news item, with regard to illegal adoptions of children, broadcast by our Company. The

complainant has sought a retraction of the said defamatory statements. Our Company is

yet to submit a reply to the legal notice.

10. Our Company has received a legal notice dated June 26, 2006, from Preet Mandir,

Balwant Kartar Anand Foundation, through its managing trustee, Mr. J.S. Bhasin, in

relation to an allegedly defamatory news item, with regard to the complainant’s alleged

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involvement in child trafficking, broadcast by our Company. The complainant has sought

a retraction of the said news item, as well as for an unconditional apology to be broadcast

by our Company. Our Company is yet to submit a reply to the legal notice.

11. Our Company has received a legal notice dated June 28, 2006 from HDFC Bank Limited

in relation to an allegedly defamatory news item, about an alleged bank fraud, broadcast

by our Company. The complainant has sought a retraction of the said defamatory

statements, as well as an unconditional written apology from our Company. Our

Company is yet to submit a reply to the legal notice.

12. Our Company has received a legal notice dated July 30, 2006 from Dr. Suresh Bhola in

relation to a news story about doctors accepting money to amputate beggars and drug

addicts broadcast by our channel. It is alleged that the news story is highly defamatory

and malicious and is not based on correct facts. The legal notice requires our Company to

stop all further telecast of the relevant story failing which legal action may be taken. Our

Company is in process of preparing a reply.

13. Our Company has received a legal notice dated August 2, 2006 from Dr. P K Bansal in

relation to a news story titled ‘Shaitan Doctor’ broadcast by our channel. It is alleged that

the news story is highly defamatory and malicious and is not based on correct facts. The

legal notice requires our Company to provide Dr. PK Bansal with the unedited copy of

the recordings on which the story has been based failing which legal action may be taken.

Our Company is in process of preparing a reply.

14. Our Company has received a legal notice dated August 4, 2006 from Dr. Arvind Kumar

Aggarwal in relation to a news item broadcast on our channel, CNN IBN and alleged that

the allegations made in the news item are false, frivolous and concocted. The

broadcasting of the news item has lowered the reputation and has caused mental and

financial stain. The noticee has demanded an unconditional public apology within 15 days

and claimed damages of Rs. 10 million. Our Company is in process of preparing a reply.

II. Litigation against our Directors

Except for the 3 income tax cases pending against Mr. Raghav Bahl, there is no litigation

pending against any of the Directors of our Company. For details see section titled

“Outstanding Lititgation – Litigation against our Promoter and Promoter Group

Companies” beginning on page 151 of this Draft Red Herring Prospectus.

III. Litigation against our Promoters and Promoter Group Companies

(a) TV 18

1. Notice from the Government of India

Our Promoter, TV 18 has received a notice dated March 9, 2006 from the Department of

Telecommunications, Ministry of Communications and Information Technology,

Government of India seeking an explanation/clarification inter alia in relation to the

following:

(a) whether permission had been granted by the MIB for up linking of channel

‘Broadcast News’ from the teleport of TV 18;

(b) clarification relating to the licensed teleport through which the television channel

Awaaz is being up linked;

(c) clarification relating to whether both the teleports of TV 18 at New Delhi and

Noida were operating during the period December 17, 2005 and January 24, 2006

and whether up linking of television channel South Asia World had been shifted

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prior to the grant of MIB approval in this regard; and

(d) other information in relation to the teleports of TV 18 located at Noida and New

Delhi including the sources and details of equipments used for the teleports,

endorsement by TV 18 of any television channel in their wireless teleport license

at Noida and details of all television channels being up linked from the Noida

teleport.

TV 18 has through a letter dated May 3, 2006 replied to the abovementioned notice and

has received no further communications from the MIB in this regard.

2. Income Tax cases

There are four income tax cases pending against our Promoter, TV 18, the details of these

are as follows:

(a) Assessment Year 2003 -2004

The Income Tax department has passed an assessment order dated March 20,

2006 under Section 143(3) of the IT Act on the ground that the transfer pricing

officer while determining ‘arms length’ price under Section 92 CA (3) of the IT

Act has concluded that the assessee company had erroneously excluded a sum of

Rs. 8,250,000 while computing the operating profits. The assessment order states

that interest shall be charged under Section 234B of the IT Act and that

proceedings shall be initiated separately for furnishing inaccurate particulars of

income. TV 18 has filed an appeal dated April 20, 2006 before the CIT (Appeals)

challenging the assessment order and the order of the transfer pricing officer. The

matter is pending adjudication before CIT (Appeals).

(b) Assessment Year 2002 -2003

The Income Tax department has passed an assessment order dated March 21,

2005 under Section 143(3) of the IT Act, 1961 enhancing the total income of the

assessee company by Rs. 5,400,469 as the transfer pricing officer while

determining ‘arms length’ price under Section 92 CA (3) of the IT Act has

determined the arms length price of international transactions of the assessee

company to be Rs. 13,474,254. Further, notice under Section 156 of IT Act has

also been issued to the assessee company seeking explanation as to why penalty

should not be imposed under Section 271 of the IT Act. TV 18 has filed an appeal

dated April 18, 2005 before the CIT (Appeals) challenging the assessment order

and the order of the transfer pricing officer. The matter is pending adjudication

before CIT (Appeals).

(c) Assessment Year 2001 -2002

The Income Tax department has passed an assessment order dated March 3, 2003

under Section 143(3)(ii) of the IT Act, 1961. As per the assessment total income

of the assessee company is Rs. 26,170,460 whereas the total income as per the

income tax return filed is Rs. 21,088,060. The CIT (Appeals) has through its

order dated November 28, 2003 partly allowed the appeal. The Income Tax

department has in its order dated March 30, 2005 concluded that a penalty of Rs.

532,170 be imposed on the assessee company. An appeal against the penalty

order was filed before the CIT (Appeals), which has through its order dated

February 10, 2005 upheld the penalty order. The assessee company has on March

19, 2006 filed an appeal before the ITAT and matter is pending adjudication.

(d) Assessment Year 1999 – 2000

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The Income Tax department has passed an assessment order dated March 28,

2002 under Section 143(3) of the IT Act, 1961. As per the assessment order the

total taxable income is Rs. 24,511,580. The assessee company filed an appeal

before the CIT (Appeals), which has through its order dated September 2, 2002

partly, allowed the appeal. The assessee company has filed an appeal dated

December 18, 2002 before the ITAT. The Income Tax department has also filed

an appeal before the ITAT challenging the deletion of certain additions as set out

in the assessment order. The matter is pending adjudication before ITAT.

3. Civil Defamation Case

Jermyn Capital Partners PLC and Mr. Dharmesh Doshi have filed a suit against our

Promoter, TV 18 in the High Court of Justice, London, Queen’s Bench Division (Claim

No. HQ05X03713) claiming damages in excess of £ 300,000 for libel and an injunction in

connection with allegedly defamatory comments published on a website. The claimants

have claimed that in their natural and ordinary meaning and/or by innuendo, the words

published on the web site implied that the claimants have been knowingly assisting Mr.

Ketan Parekh to evade an order banning him from trading on the Indian stock market

imposed by SEBI by secretly transacting business on his behalf and that the claimants had

been reported to the UK regulatory authorities by SEBI for appropriate action.

In this connection TV 18 was served a notice on January 12, 2006, from the claimants and

an apology was published, the format and content of which was not satisfactory to the

claimants. The matter is pending and the next date of hearing has not been fixed.

4. Labour cases

(a) Mr. Subhash Kumar Gupta has filed a case before the Third Labour Court,

Mumbai contending that his services have been terminated illegally and that no

termination notice or any wage in lieu thereof were paid to him. Mr. Gupta has

demanded reinstatement of services with full back wages. The matter is pending

adjudication before the Third Labour Court, Mumbai.

(b) Mr. Harkesh Chauhan has filed a case before the Labour Court, Karkardooma,

New Delhi contending that his services have been terminated illegally. Mr.

Chauhan has demanded reinstatement of services with full back wages. The

matter is pending adjudication before the Labour Court, Karkardooma, New

Delhi.

(b) Mr. Raghav Bahl

(i) Assessment Year 1991-1992 to 2001-2002 (Block Period)

The income tax department has through an assessment order dated October 31, 2005 held

that tax is due on income of Rs. 17,998,635. The asseseee has filed an appeal before the

ITAT on August 7, 2006. Separately, the income tax department has levied a penalty of

Rs. 10,730,838 under Section 158BFA(2) of the IT Act. The notice of demand under

Section 156 of the IT Act for the aforesaid amount has been issued by the income tax

department. The assessee has filed an appeal before the CIT (A) and the matter is pending

adjudication.

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(ii) Assessment Year 2001-2002

The income tax department has passed an order dated June 30, 2006 under Section 271(c)

of the IT Act held that the assessee is liable to pay tax on income amounting to Rs.

6,810,740 and has imposed a penalty of Rs. 1,181,855. Pursuant thereto a demand notice

dated June 30, 2006 under Section 156 of the Income Tax Act, 1961 has been issued by

the income tax department. The assessee has filed an appeal before the CIT (A) and the

matter is pending adjudication.

(iii) Assessment Year 2004-2005

The income tax department has through an assessment order dated July 22, 2006

concluded that the assessee is liable to pay tax and pursuant thereto a notice of demand

under section 156 for Rs. 1,667,176 and notice in relation to penalty proceedings Section

274 read with Section 271 of the IT Act have been issued. The assessee has filed an

appeal before the CIT (A) and the matter is pending adjudication.

IV. MATERIAL DEVELOPMENTS

In the opinion of our Board, there have not arisen, since the date of the last financial

statements disclosed in this Draft Red Herring Prospectus, any circumstances that

materially or adversely affect or are likely to affect our profitability taken as a whole or

the value of our consolidated assets or our ability to pay our material liabilities within the

next 12 months.

I would read them but unless there is more clarification on this we cannot decide per se. I would not be worried about these allegations as of now!


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 12:00pm
Devesh: WOuld be great oif you call up that correspondent and find out the detail of that Rs 3000 crorer plus suit.ALso if you can ask him:
 
1) Why is it not there in the prospectus?
2) SInce the matter has crossed SEBI did SEBI think that it is not important to be disclosed?
 


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 12:08pm
Basantji,that was written by Ashok Kumar who heads Lotus Knowlwealth and can be contacted at [email protected].
I think this was the issue that Moneylife reported in their magazine.If u can confirm this with ICICI guys or with management.Our doubts will b cleared.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 12:19pm
 The e-eighteen etc restructuring was approved by the High court so I am not sure what minority shareholder concerns he is talking about but it does seem strange to read all this especially when the whole thing has passed through SEBI.
 


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 12:27pm
DLF issue was cleared by SEBI after minority shareholders concerns were resolved.I dont think any concerns should be pending regarding this.I think Ashok has not read the prospectus and still dreaming Smile

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 12:35pm
I have sent in an enali to him. But while I would like to and do believe that he is dreaming this news throws up some interesting options:
 
 
1) That SEBI knew of it and did not ask the company to mention this in the prospectus.
 
2) That the company did not tell anything to SEBI nor did anyone know till Ashok Kumar spilled the beans in the newspaper
 
3) That now when the whole issue is in the public domain SEBI would ask the issue to be stopped (scrapped)
 
4) Or will SEBI still over look the matter but since Tv18 and eeighteen etc merger/demerger were approved by High court how on earthe has this cropped up again?
 
Completely unrelated: COmpanies that make greatest amount of wealth have managements who are least trusted by the markets in their initial days of growth.
 
BTW - DId anyone hear Manish Chokhani on Taking Stocks today?


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 12:40pm
About that Govt. approval thing it is disclosed on page 158 of the prospectus. Maybe they have applied in the interim but I am not bothered by this since it is a matter of regulatory nature and is immaterial.
 
" We have not sought approval from the Central Government, as required under the Companies Act, with respect to compensation being paid to Mr. Sameer Manchanda, Joint Managing Director which is in excess of the amount permitted under the Companies Act."


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Posted By: vijinat
Date Posted: 14/Jan/2007 at 2:23pm
Businessline says that while the public issue may bring benefits at the time of listing, long term investors can avoid and wait and see the performance before entering the scrip.


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 3:31pm
Business Line has not taken into account the 15% stake of GBN in Web 18.I wonder how they do analysis instead of having all the facts at their hand.Business Standard has analysed it nicely.
http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?autono=271337&leftnm=0&subLeft=0&chkFlg - http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage.php?autono=271337&leftnm=0&subLeft=0&chkFlg = 
 
Basantji,have u got reply from Ashok.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 4:09pm
No reply from him but it does not matter.

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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 10:03am
GLOBAL BRODCAST NEWS LTD.(GBN is a very low size issue. So retail could be more than 30 times oversubscribed.It seems FIIs outside India are not allowed to bid for GBN IPO, but they can buy once listed with maximum 18%.. so this would be in demand after listing

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 10:13am
Chic: I also think the same about the FII thing since FII bidding in IPO means FDI which is not allowed. Where did you read this?

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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 4:10pm
on http://www.moneycontrol.com - www.moneycontrol.com message section.
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 4:26pm
This is some good information about the company.
http://www.capitalmarket.com/if.asp?L=ipo&M=cmedit%2Fstory28-106.asp%3Fsno%3D145208 - http://www.capitalmarket.com/if.asp?L=ipo&M=cmedit%2Fstory28-106.asp%3Fsno%3D145208


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 7:50pm
Ashok is not dreaming.This is what i found in Application form.
 
Mr.Victor Fernandes & Others v.Mr Raghav Bahl & Others: The plaintiffs have on August 25,2006 filed a suit bearing no.2709 of 2006 as derivative action on behalf of e-Eighteen.com Private Ltd before the High Court of Judicature at Mumbai against our promoters,our Company and others.The plaintiffs are minority shareholders of e-Eighteen.com Private Limited and have alleged that Mr.Raghav Bahl,TV 18,ICICI Global Oppurtunities Fund and e-Eighteen.com Private Limited had entered into a subscription cum shareholders agreement dated September 12,2000 under which Mr.Raghav Bahl and TV18 had inter alia undertaken that any oppurtunity offered to them shall only be pursued or taken up through e-Eighteen.com Private Limited or its wholly owned subsidiary.The plaintiffs have alleged that Mr Raghav Bahl and TV 18 have promoted and developed various businesses through various entities which should have under the aforesaid agreement rightfully been undertaken by e-Eighteen.com Private Limited or its wholy owned subsidiaries.The plaintiffs have alleged that by not doing so Mr Raghav Bahl and TV 18 have caused monetary loss to e-Eighteen Private Limited as well as to the plaintiffs.The plaintiffs have valued their claim in the suit at Rs 3014.12 crores and Rsw 99.94 crores and have inter alia prayed that our Promoters,our Company and others be ordered to transfer to e-Eighteen Private Limited all their businesses,activities and ventures along with all assets and intellectual property.The plaintiffs had on September 18, 2006 filed a notice of motion no.3232 of 2006 in suit no.2709 of 2006 seeking ad-interim relief.A reply has been filed with the High Court at Mumbai on November 14, 2006 and the next hearing date is January 15, 2007.(which is yesterday, does anybody know what happened)
 
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 8:04pm
SOURCE: bseindia.com
 
GLOBAL BROADCAST NEWS LTD.-Bid Details
Last updated on 16/01/2007 05.00.00 PM
Sr.No. Category No.of shares offered/reserved No. of shares bid for No. of times of total meant for the category
1 Qualified Institutional Buyers (QIBs) 2608695 2672800 1.0246
1(a) Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs) 0
1(b) Domestic Financial Institutions (Banks/ Financial Institutions(FIs)/ Insurance Companies) 0
1(c) Mutual Funds 2672800
1(d) Others 0
2 Non Institutional Investors 434783 1201025 2.7624
2(a) Corporates 1200000
2(b) Individuals (Other than RIIs) 1025
2(c) Others 0
3 Retail Individual Investors (RIIs) 1304348 498125 0.3819
3(a) Cut Off 453875
3(b) Price Bids 44250
4 Employees 217391 0 0.0000
4(a) Cut Off 0
4(b) Price Bids 0


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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 8:10pm
In Total, it means...  4371950/4565217  = nearly subscribed 1 times....
In next 2 days, Retail would increase exponentially ... I am expecting this to be oversubscribed 22-30 times
 
The alloted amount of shares should be minimum 25 (Rs 6250) ... which means that at 25 times oversubscription, people investing Full 1 lac would have 2/3 chance of getting selected to get 25 shares ... the less you invest, the lesser would be the ratio..
 
Dont ask me reasons for above ..  Above analysis is a gut + experience feel ... lets see how much true it turns out to be .... !


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 8:17pm
Retail investors r very cautious on valuation front after Cairn PAIN. Angel Broking,BusinessLine says avoid.Employess have not subscribed even a single share thats a surprise.Indian Mutual funds have given a relief.retail investors subscribe on the last day of the IPO.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 9:12pm
Devesh: The case does look interesting but unless we have full details we cannot decide.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 16/Jan/2007 at 10:07pm
Victor Fernandes was the guy from whom raghav bought moneycontrol.com a long time back. he used to host shows on CNBC also then he disappeared from scene altogether.I tried to search for a copy of the petition in high court online but could not get access to it reading it would make the whole thing very clear.Meanwhile this is how I would approach the whole situation:
 
1) SInce the matter is on the appliaction form every body knows. Is it discounted in the price (just a stray far fetched event that will have its own death and means nothing).
 
2) The VC ILFS Investmart is not selling in this IPO but holding on. VC not selling tells us more things then mere allegations etc.
 
3) None of the papers pink or white or any of the channels are discussing this case. Is it that Raghav has friends all over or they have all been hushed up. I believe in neither of these two theories.
 
4) Let us look for further details. Yesterday was January 15th and the stock was up in the last two days. SO nothing adverse was reported. Now SEBI could also have stalled the issue because the suit was in August 2006 much before the company received SEBI approval and SEBI did not press for settlement before the case was out in public domain. 
 
SOmetimes circumstances and events rather then  facts give more answers. I am looking in that direction.


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 17/Jan/2007 at 8:07am
GLOBAL BROADCAST NEWS LTD.-Bid Details
Last updated on 17/01/2007 05.00.00 PM
Sr.No. Category No.of shares offered/reserved No. of shares bid for No. of times of total meant for the category
1 Qualified Institutional Buyers (QIBs) 2608695 2672800 1.0246
1(a) Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs) 0
1(b) Domestic Financial Institutions (Banks/ Financial Institutions(FIs)/ Insurance Companies) 0
1(c) Mutual Funds 2672800
1(d) Others 0
2 Non Institutional Investors 434783 1238950 2.8496
2(a) Corporates 1200200
2(b) Individuals (Other than RIIs) 38150
2(c) Others 600
3 Retail Individual Investors (RIIs) 1304348 2151225 1.6493
3(a) Cut Off 2002175
3(b) Price Bids 149050
4 Employees 217391 0 0.0000
4(a) Cut Off 0
4(b) Price Bids 0
 
I n Akruti Nirman.Mutual Funds have not subscribed even a single share.


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Posted By: patnitin
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 3:24pm
Basantjee,
What's your opinion whether one should apply for this IPO or there will be better opportunity to buy this on listing due to poor response?
 
Nitin


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 5:16pm
This http://business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=10&autono=271337 - BS article is interesting
 
RELATIVE SHARE (%)
Relative Share (%) of English News Channels
Channel October  November  December
NDTV 24x7 38.50 33.30 36.40
CNN IBN 30.80 33.30 27.30
Times Now 23.10 22.20 27.30
Headlines Today 7.70 11.10 9.10
 
 
FUTURE GROWTH
Rs crore FY06 FY07E FY08E FY09E
(Year to March)
Net Sales  5.9 72 134 164
Total operating expenses  46.7 79 90 108
EBITDA -40.8 -7 43 56
EBITDA margin (%) 32 34
Recurring net income -45.5 -33 30 45
ROCE (%) 24 32
Issue:  Rs 230-Rs 250 per share aggregating Rs 105 crore
Equity Capital  22.53 26.7-27.1 - -
Fully diluted EPS (Rs)– 11.1-11.2 16.6-16.9
P/E @230   20.7 13.9
P/E @250   20.5 14.8
 
CHANNEL OPTIONS
Company  Sales
(Rs cr)
Net
profit
 
(Rs cr)
Price
(Rs)
Market
 cap
 
(Rs cr)
EPS
(Rs)
PE
Zee 831.40 66.62 274.80 12979.00 3.98 69.00
Sun TV 321.91 130.23 1541.70 10621.00 23.08 66.80
TV 18 127.10 19.50 606.95 3180.00 11.69 51.90
NDTV 191.29 -6.25 306.85 1884.00 0.94 326.53
TV Today 159.55 27.77 95.40 553.00 0.46 208.00
Sales and net profit are for FY06; EPS and P/E are for trailing 12 months;
Price and market cap
as on January 11
 


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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 6:02pm
but even if Gbn lists below its listed price ..it is still a god buy.........Basantji please tell us what do u think.....???


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 7:03pm

I would invest at the IPO price.



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Posted By: patnitin
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 11:31am
Thanks basantjee.
I was thinking of stopping payment considering the response.But the last day subsriptions definetly proved you correct.
 
Now a days ,these so called experts on many channels are saying that retail investors should check the oversubscription fig. and then only invest.But if the oversubscription changes so drastically on the last date then how can one determine between good issues and over priced ones.
I don't know what they will say in such situations.
One expert who is an expert on IPO's told on NDTV profit the other day that retail investors should apply only if QIB/FII subscription is more than10 times!
 


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 11:35am
 
Sr.No.
Category No.of shares offered/reserved No. of shares bid for No. of times of total meant for the category
1 Qualified Institutional Buyers (QIBs) 2608695 91975175 35.2571
1(a) Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs) 0
1(b) Domestic Financial Institutions (Banks/ Financial Institutions(FIs)/ Insurance Companies) 48918650
1(c) Mutual Funds 42916525
1(d) Others 140000
2 Non Institutional Investors 434783 74087825 170.4018
2(a) Corporates 61566750
2(b) Individuals (Other than RIIs) 12309775
2(c) Others 211300
3 Retail Individual Investors (RIIs) 1304348 55771975 42.7585
3(a) Cut Off 53224300
3(b) Price Bids 2547675
4 Employees 217391 669525 3.0798
4(a) Cut Off 13000
4(b) Price Bids 656525
 
Mind-blowing subscription for GBN issue.It will have effect on Network 18..


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2007 at 1:10pm
One expert who is an expert on IPO's told on NDTV profit the other day that retail investors should apply only if QIB/FII subscription is more than10 times!
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As foolish as one could get. God bless him and his investors.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2007 at 1:11pm
Just leaving it blank.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2007 at 1:12pm

This oversubscription figure (50 times) is without any FII investing into the company. Now these FII's would have to buy from the market (if the company allows them to invest). The foreign limit is 26% maybe the company would like to keep it secure and prohibit any FII investment. If that is so it would indicate that sometime down the line Time Warner would be intersted. We need to watch this space closely.

Now what would FII's do in that case buy Network 18? But there is very little FII gap available there.Confused


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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 19/Jan/2007 at 3:42pm
but most of the IPO subscribers would sell in the opening ..socan watch the openign and buy some more i think before FII react to that......




Posted By: bullzi
Date Posted: 26/Jan/2007 at 1:55pm
There is some news about the registar for GBN in some sort of trouble and there being a halt/delay in the allotment of shares

Direct from ET:

ET has learnt that NSDL and CDSL may be asked to halt allotment of shares to investors in IPOs where the contract between the companies and Intime was signed after August 18, 2006. This could hit some the allotment processes of IPOs like House of Pearls Fashions, Global Broadcasting Network and Cinemax. Since the case is subjudice, officials at both registrars were unable to comment.

You can have a complete look here 
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Battle_of_registrars_SC_quashes_Intime_appeal/articleshow/1462612.cms - http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Battle_of_registrars_SC_quashes_Intime_appeal/articleshow/1462612.cms

Even though the primary market is upbeat and most IPOs being heavily over-subscribed, there is a definite lack of credible registrars and share transfer agents in the market.



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Posted By: patnitin
Date Posted: 07/Feb/2007 at 4:58pm
Basantjee,
Since I didnot get any allotment in the IPO,What would be the price to entry at comfortable level looking at thw stock in long term say about 2 years perspective.
Further if one already holds TV18/NW18 is it worthwhile investing in GBN ?
Given a choice which one would you prefer among the three i.e TV18,NW18 or GBN?and why?
Nitin


Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 07/Feb/2007 at 5:57pm
prnpani ...it is ok...as people would have not got more than 25 shares...so everyone can buy....but again Basant ji is the only person who can help


Bsantji ..what price are u comfortable buying it ........


Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 07/Feb/2007 at 10:19am
GBN lists at 450+. Valuation of 1200 cr +

Good listing..


Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 3:20pm
Revenue growth to be driven by CNN-IBN: GBN
2007-02-08 10:09:19 Source : Moneycontrol.com

http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/mediaentertainment/globalbroadcastnews/10/14/pricechartquote/marketprice/GBN - Global Broadcast News , GBN, owners and operators of one of India’s leading 24-hour English language news and current affairs channel – CNN-IBN, has listed with fantastic premium of 75% over its offer price of Rs 250 per share on the NSE.

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Joint MD of Global Broadcast News, Sameer Manchanda and Editor-in-Chief of CNN-IBN, Rajdeep Sardesai share their views. Manchanda believes that CNN-IBN will be the major growth driver and greater visibility is seen from CNN-IBN's operations.

Furthermore, the management believes that the company does not need fresh capital for current operations. Also, further capital raising will depend on expansion plans.

Excerpts of CNBC-TV18's exclusive interview with Sameer Manchanda and Rajdeep Sardesai:

 

Q: At a listing price of Rs 450, can you clarify whether FIIs can buy today or not?

 

Manchanda: We are in compliance with the guidelines, which is 26%. In fact our foreign holding is only 9%. But I would still ask investors to look at the I&B guideline and verify themselves, but we are in compliance with the I&B guidelines.

 

Q: What will drive growth for GBN? Is it going to be driven largely by CNN-IBN or do you have new product launches planned, which may drive revenue growth in the next year?

 

Manchanda: CNN-IBN, of course, because if one looks at the ratings of last two weeks; we are the number one with a gap of more than 20%, and revenues chase viewership. So the growth would come in from CNN-IBN but that growth is visible. So, growth is certain and the growth is for the expansion of the channels.

 

Q: As you see it, when do you think operations can break even at EBITDA level and what sort of margins do you think a company like GBN can sustain?

 

Manchanda: Our quarterly results come out soon and we have done fairly well in ratings even for the last six months; we are seeing great visibility.

 

Q: Put the operations as they stand into perspective. What are the plans for the IBN7 part of the business?

Sardesai: I think IBN7 is the next big challenge. I think you are seeing growth there compared to where we were six months ago, obviously English has been the big success story of the last 12 months. But I think in 2007, we hope it will be the year of IBN-7 if 2006 was the year of CNN-IBN. We are constantly growing and that is really the effort. We had a dream to build a journalist driven channel and with a team of people across all categories, the kind of marketing and distribution support we have had. We are on our way, it's a step by step process and a long journey. Today, in that sense, is a milestone, it is a day in the long journey.

 

Q: You have English news and Hindi news right now, what is the next big step for GBN from programming and product perspective?

A: Obviously, we will grow, but what direction and what space we will exploit next, remains to be seen. We do have plans, and as we strengthen ourselves, those plans will fructify. So we would rather have a plan in place and then make a formal announcement.

 

Q:  What will IBN7’s impact be on the numbers? We believe that that might take a bit longer, given market dynamics to break even. Do you feel that it would that be a drag on GBN’s numbers?

 

Manchanda: We are building up IBN7 today. In the Hindi market, if you look at the ratings, the number three & four channels are approximately at 12-13% market share and we are at about 10%. So once we reach that market, which is fine then we should be doing well. But till that mark, there will be a bit of a drag but it is not substantial, and that’s another factor for another 3-6 months.

 

Q: Map out the growth in terms of ad and subscription revenues, both in terms of the ad rates you have now vis-à-vis your competition, and the increase you see from the subscription side.

 

Manchanda: The next big thing is the addressability, which the government and the courts have brought about. I think that’s a silent revolution happening. With further technology like IPTV and mobile coming in, that could be a big windfall or a change for the entire media sector and if all broadcasters and the big players are in there. There are approximately 70 million homes. In fact, they are saying there are already going to be 100 million TV sets.

 

The market is large and even Rs 200, which they are paying, is about Rs 2000 crore a month. So Rs 24,000 coming into system would actually rechange the entire media sector. Of course, news would be a major beneficiary too and we will be a part of that. So subscription would be a big upside in the years to come definitely. If you look at CNN-IBN channel - I don’t have exact numbers, which have come in on the addressable homes that have just gone in Mumbai, Delhi - but according to the feedback, we are nearly in about more than 80% of the home, so that should be good number.

 

As far as ad rates go, we are the only one-year-old channel. So our ad rates can grow substantially from where we are today because now we have got the ratings. Hopefully, the next ad rates’ increase in 3-6 months would give us the rates of the leader. Right now, we do not have the rates of the leader but it seems that will change. So we are very clear, our growth is robust and our growth would be definitely higher then any other average media sector. 

 

Q: Would GBN be primarily a news broadcasting play entity from a product perspective or do you have possible forays into things like maybe even print or Internet properties or non-news genre kind of products?

 

Sardesai: Not non-news, but the media vehicle could change, it could grow in the direction of internet, mobile - using other technologies already on internet on ibnlive.com today, gets more hits and page views. There are other news websites in the country but our core competence is news.  So we believe we would like to stick to our core competence in news. All the various media vehicles available today, as technology allows us to do that, we will exploit that through our news expertise.

 

We know news that is in our DNA and we believe there is a huge hunger for information and we would like to satisfy that. Our goal is to make this India’s premier news and information space that is what we would like to do - have GBN’s focus on news, which is what we do best.

 

Q: A final quick word on capital raising - do you need to raise any capital under the GBN umbrella over the next 2-3 quarters?

 

Manchanda: It depends upon the growth plan, which we finalize. Not for the current properties, not at all, we are fine; we are definitely cash surplus so that is okay. It depends on the growth chart that we chart out for ourselves and we will be able to share that with you in the next 2-3 months, it will be only for that, not otherwise.

 

 So Rs 24,000 crore coming into system would actually rechange the entire media sector . So subscription would be a big upside in the years to come definitely.

Basant  , that would do wonders to the Media Sector?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 3:46pm
Manchanda: The next big thing is the addressability, which the government and the courts have brought about. I think that’s a silent revolution happening. With further technology like IPTV and mobile coming in, that could be a big windfall or a change for the entire media sector and if all broadcasters and the big players are in there
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With this kind of a an answer broadcasting stocks (leaders) are a no brainer. I mean I can only dream about the kind of gains these companies can make in say 3-4 years.
 
I think Network18 and TV18 are better placed since they are not astronomically priced but GBN would also continue to create significant wealth.
 
WHile looking at broadcasting stocks please buy the leader only. WHen in doubt stay out but buy nothing but the leader. This is because under the CAS regime the lower rung companies in the sector would not be able to charge from the customers to the extent that the leaders would be able to.In many cases they would have to remain free to air to survive.
 


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Posted By: ars1769
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 7:56pm
8/2/2007 532800 GLOBAL BROAD SONATA INVESTMENTS LIMITE B 270000 444.51
8/2/2007 532800 GLOBAL BROAD RELIANCE CAPITAL LIMITED B 336000 477.70
SOURCE BSEINDIA.COM

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Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 9:59am

Basant,

GBN , did not fall yesterday instead was quite steady , today is up 5% , seems like is ready for a move , any NEWS on it?


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 10:28am
No news just that FII's can buy this stock and they are into it.  

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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 11:12am
Reliance Capital acquires 6 % stake in GBN

MUMBAI: Anil Ambani group company Reliance Capital Ltd has acquired over six per cent stake in Global Broadcast News Ltd (GBN), which operates the English news channel CNN-IBN and Hindi channel IBN7.

Reliance Capital acquired 16.75 lakh shares, representing 6.27 per cent stake of Global Broadcast News through an open market transaction on BSE on Monday.



Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 5:36pm
GBN has been on a rocket ever since it has started trading. Most of the participants had written off the stock at Rs 250 so at Rs 600 we need not guess what their opinion would be. While the longer term story is as bright as it was the company does defy fundamentals on a relative basis. I would rather switch into TV18 and Network 18 then remain with GBN at these valuations.
 
Now GBN could go anywhere. Out of the total free float of 15% Rel Cap  has already taken up 6% so we are left with a paltry 9% which works out to about 24 lac shares. The daily traded volume on both the exchanges is in multiples of that. Now is there some kind of price rigging happening here. I do not think so but markets are not EPS and PE all the time they are also demand and supply and the economic reasons are playing more then the fundamental ones right now and would also continue to play that way.
 
On the other hand what we need to realise as investors is that if someone has not bought this stocks he should not buy it now unless he is prepared to experience a quotatinal loss of 20%. Over a period of 2-3 years all good media companies could go anyhwere.
 
The recent sensex surge has been led by media and Bubblevision can add to this but I get a  feeling that this could be one of the leading sectors of the market if the CAS roll out is in place or even without that TV broadcasting companies would outperform the market.


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 5:40pm
Basant sir, any update on that analysis you had promised of the CAS effect on TV18, NTWK18 by 2010?
 
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 6:17pm
Some very valid and interesting observations Basantji.

Originally posted by basant

GBN has been on a rocket ever since it has started trading. Most of the participants had written off the stock at Rs 250 so at Rs 600 we need not guess what their opinion would be. While the longer term story is as bright as it was the company does defy fundamentals on a relative basis. I would rather switch into TV18 and Network 18 then remain with GBN at these valuations.
 
Now GBN could go anywhere. Out of the total free float of 15% Rel Cap  has already taken up 6% so we are left with a paltry 9% which works out to about 24 lac shares. The daily traded volume on both the exchanges is in multiples of that. Now is there some kind of price rigging happening here. I do not think so but markets are not EPS and PE all the time they are also demand and supply and the economic reasons are playing more then the fundamental ones right now and would also continue to play that way.
 
On the other hand what we need to realise as investors is that if someone has not bought this stock he should not buy it now unless he is prepared to experience a quotational loss of 20%. Over a period of 2-3 years all good media companies could go anyhwere.
 
The recent sensex surge has been led by media and Bubblevision can add to this but I get a  feeling that this could be one of the leading sectors of the market if the CAS roll out is in place or even without that TV broadcasting companies would outperform the market.


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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 6:40pm
Unfortunately there is no seperate "Media Index" in India as yet but some media stocks are present in BSE TECk index. That Index closed just 1% below its Recent highs indicating that there is Higher Relative Strength in the Tech and Media stocks then the Sensex.
 
Interestingly Pure Technology indices like CNXIT and BSE IT.. closed at their rally highs (High since Apr-2001) indicating undisputable strength. All of them are still in their Long Term Uptrends.
 


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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 9:13pm
I had the fun of riding this 130 pointer .with GBN defying the odds it has raced to 600.,there is lot of steam left but decided to reduce the my stand and increase tv18 exposure today..now doesnt tv18 hold some stake in GBN...or the market doesnt know this.What is the %age holding  ofnetwork 18 & Tv18 in  GBN .





Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 9:19pm
I suggest you could hold on to GBN since you hold a diversified portfolio. TV18 holds GBN but that is to be transferred to NW18 after that TV18 will have no GBN and it is always profitable to hold focused players.
 
In case you have sold out of GBN then you may divide between the other two companies TV18 and NW18.
 
It was surely a rocking ride nonetheless.


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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 9:33pm
yes i hold 1000 of GBN still.. and bought few more in Tv18 and networK.This correction was a blessing in disguise..but things can roll back also...but keep adding .I dont know if GBn is goign to move like Techmahindra.But lets see..it is hot right now..


Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 4:38am
i hold 1000 of GBN still.. and bought few more in Tv18 and network.
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I wonder why all 3. Just one is sufficient. NW18 not only represents value in tv18, GBN but it has promise of home shopping and film media. As I said it before nw18 is HDFC of media sector.


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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 16/Feb/2007 at 12:51pm
Yes vipul Ji ..i was not sure of this ...in the correction i had got rid off some stocks(here the 10% cash did help me here)...so had bought Net18 and GBN and Tv18...the least number is GBN..i had just bought it ..it was just that the next day it hit upper ckt(i had no idea about it)..so i have converted most of it in Tv18 and network 18 by selling GBN ..but Tv18 didnt move much like NW18 ..dont people know Tv18 hold some stakes in GBn or that could happen soon...please advice 


Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 18/Feb/2007 at 5:44pm
i just some reports that reliance communication going to relay CNN - IBN and tv18 channel ...Basantji can u please confirm this ....i am not sure...it was a news flash..i might be wrong ...but jsut wanted to check


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Feb/2007 at 10:41pm
That is old news are they flashing it now?This deal happened in December 2006!!!

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 3:03pm
GBN is down 10%. The stake transfer from Tv18 into NW18 could happen anytime over the next few weeks. For Network 18 shareholders they would like to see GBN down rather then up when they buy Tv18's holding of around 18% in GBN.
 
No predictions though!


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Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 3:20pm
Is the stake sale happening at market price? Somehow I dont feel that the transfer will happen at market price.

In any case, the amount of loss of Network 18 would be gain of TV18..


Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 3:30pm
And for TV18 shareholders Basant sir?Tongue

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by nikhil090

Is the stake sale happening at market price? Somehow I dont feel that the transfer will happen at market price.

In any case, the amount of loss of Network 18 would be gain of TV18..
 
Since I am invested into both companies it should not matter but prduent norms imply that the stake sale be conducted at market rates.


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Posted By: Mohan
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 6:14pm

Seems like Raghav is trying to consloidate his holdings in Network 18



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Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 7:01pm
with the post IPO valuations doubts generated thanks to Atlanta, GBN has corrected substantially for the first time. Hope for some more downside, of you are a NW 18 share-holder, but the floating equity in GBN is very low....

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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 7:43pm
but if hold both u will loose one and gain in  another..i think research reports are not out on Network 18.these reports do help people buy but they dont tell u when to sell....it had a shrp fall today..further correction may give a good entry i guess...


Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 8:00pm
sugggest exit from GBN

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 8:10pm
Nothing wrong with GBN if yu are a long term investor but relatively I find better value in NW18 and TV18. Putting this post again.
 
 
I am somehow getting convinced that Network 18 could be the best in the lot (at current prices). Maybe the markets would reconcile to the fundamentals or maybe I am making a mistake - that can be answered only in time but for the present NW18 looks to be the least glamorous and the most attractive. AFter the stake sale of the residual 18% in GBN the value of investment holdings (majority interests) works out to Rs 533 plus the value of HSN and Studio 18.
 
Simple arithmetic indicates that we are getting the company at a discount of 33% to the value of holdings plus a  couple of very interesting businesses for Free!


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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 23/Feb/2007 at 8:34pm
u know the thing is Atlanta has spooked investors so they will exit all new listings...not everyone is Teddy ...so i agree with Basantji


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Mar/2007 at 4:48pm
GBN is finding some demand from not only reliance but other MF's as well. See this link. AFter accounting for this the floating stock is close to 20 lac shares and decreasing!!!
 
http://www.moneycontrol.com/mf/user_scheme/mfholddetail_sec.php?sc_did=GBN - http://www.moneycontrol.com/mf/user_scheme/mfholddetail_sec.php?sc_did=GBN
 
I was surprised (shocked) to see Pru ICICI in this list. DId not the head of this fund raise an alarm a few months back. BTW they also bought some Tv18 in their Pru ICICIServices fund. Oh Yes!
 
http://www.valueresearchonline.com/funds/comres.asp - http://www.valueresearchonline.com/funds/comres.asp
 
 


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Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 02/Apr/2007 at 2:42am
Raghav Bahl's Global Broadcast to foray into regional news channels, Marathi the first launch

(2 April 2007 10:00 pm)     
   
 
             
     

MUMBAI: In the race for launching regional news channels, TV18 Group promoter Raghav Bahl seems to have finalised his first step. He is planning to launch a Marathi news channel under Global Broadcast News (GBN), the company that houses English news channel CNN-IBN.
     
             
      GBN is likely to partner with a media company for the venture, a source close to the company says. "The plan is to tie up with a media player. This will involve an equity relationship as well. The finer details are being worked out," he adds.

Bahl had earlier told Indiantelevision.com that he was closely examining the regional news space as an important growth segment. Under TV18 fall the two business channels CNBC TV18 and Awaaz, while GBN will hold all ventures in the general news space.

The Marathi regional news space will see a flurry of action. Zee has already launched Zee 24 Taas as part of its "region-specific strategy." Other players keen to enter are Star Ananda and Hyderabad-based TV9.

Also eyeing the regional news space is India TV which recently announced it would launch in Gujarati and Punjabi languages within a year.

GBN, which captures the revenues from CNN-IBN and Hindi news channel IBN 7, has identified expansion in the area of regional news channels. The company is eyeing opportunities in the southern languages as well, the source says.

Source: http://us.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k7/apr/apr23.php - http://us.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k7/apr/apr23.php


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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2007 at 10:17pm
Hi Basant sir,
Thanks for your reply. The general news channels will see very good days  in coming years. The events like state elections and general election will keep them busy and healthy. The news channels always peek during the general elections.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Apr/2007 at 11:15pm
Our democratic set up with 27+ states (lost count of the number because they always keep breaking it up) ensures a stable flow of elections each year plus thanks to the general election and the coalition Govt. the setting is ideal for a news channel.
 
But stocks would not go up because of an election because it is the same thing as arguing that more fans and AC's would be sold in summer or less cement being sold during monsoon.
 
Stocks go up for unexpected reasons not for reasons that all of us can forecast with 100% accuracy. Still because of that set up news channels could sell at high PE's not necesarily jump up before elections.


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2007 at 11:26pm
Lotus India Tax fund has bought Global Broadcast news. People would remember how it cautioned investors not to invest at Rs 250 during the IPO. I sometimes find this right to take two contradictory decisions in one day very very disturbing.
 
At the time of issue Ashok Kumar the CEO indicated outstanding litigation as the main reason for avoiding the issue. Nothing has changed between then and Lotus initiating positions in this one.
 


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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2007 at 6:08am
Basant jee,
Everybody in stock market has 2 views (including me). One for buy side and one for sell side. In markets, price is function of demand & supply. Fundamental is all-rounder argument. One can use same fundamental data to make case for sell and buy. So market analyst use fundamental shastra to serve their own purposes more then ours. Seeing demand supply situation these people change stance on fundamentals only to leave aam aadmi confused.
Now, I have developed a skill (still in beta phase), After a interview I can figure out if he/she is looking to buy/sell/hold.
Watching/listening to business channel is like listening to constant noise. One can best avoid. Since, FEB I am practicing ...Wink


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2007 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by basant

Lotus India Tax fund has bought Global Broadcast news. People would remember how it cautioned investors not to invest at Rs 250 during the IPO. I sometimes find this right to take two contradictory decisions in one day very very disturbing.
 
At the time of issue Ashok Kumar the CEO indicated outstanding litigation as the main reason for avoiding the issue. Nothing has changed between then and Lotus initiating positions in this one.
 
 
Lotus India Tax fund is not managed by Ashok Kumar. In fact Ashok kumar does manage LOTUS KNOWLWEALTH PVT LTD which is different from the mutrual fund that I referred to in the above post.
 
I was informed of the discrepency in an email from Ashok Kumar and I do apologize for the inadvertant mistake on my part. The relevant part of his email read as under:
 
"it is only fair that you be informed that our company LOTUS KNOWLWEALTH PVT LTD has no connection whatsoever with Lotus AMC and its tax fund".


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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2007 at 8:15pm
Originally posted by basant

Originally posted by basant

Lotus India Tax fund has bought Global Broadcast news. People would remember how it cautioned investors not to invest at Rs 250 during the IPO. I sometimes find this right to take two contradictory decisions in one day very very disturbing.
 
At the time of issue Ashok Kumar the CEO indicated outstanding litigation as the main reason for avoiding the issue. Nothing has changed between then and Lotus initiating positions in this one.
 
 
Lotus India Tax fund is not managed by Ashok Kumar. In fact Ashok kumar does manage LOTUS KNOWLWEALTH PVT LTD which is different from the mutrual fund that I referred to in the above post.
 
I was informed of the discrepency in an email from Ashok Kumar and I do apologize for the inadvertant mistake on my part. The relevant part of his email read as under:
 
"it is only fair that you be informed that our company LOTUS KNOWLWEALTH PVT LTD has no connection whatsoever with Lotus AMC and its tax fund".
 
Thank you for that honest initiative & update Basant sir.
 


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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2007 at 9:49pm
Originally posted by basant

Originally posted by basant

 
 
Lotus India Tax fund is not managed by Ashok Kumar. In fact Ashok kumar does manage LOTUS KNOWLWEALTH PVT LTD which is different from the mutrual fund that I referred to in the above post.
 
I was informed of the discrepency in an email from Ashok Kumar and I do apologize for the inadvertant mistake on my part. The relevant part of his email read as under:
 
"it is only fair that you be informed that our company LOTUS KNOWLWEALTH PVT LTD has no connection whatsoever with Lotus AMC and its tax fund".
 
I also felt that Tax Fund was not being managed by Ashok but then i was not sure....Btw...Ashok visits this site....hmmmmmmmmm........does he still remain sceptical on GBN or has he changed his views after the performance of this stock on the bourses....


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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 4:57pm
global broadcast has announced that it shall raise funds to the tune of 200 million in the international mkts. source-----www.bseindia.com

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 5:19pm

US $ 200 mn is quite a lot. It is equal to 60% of its market cap!

If you add the proposal to raise Rs 1500 crores in debt it amounts to around 1 times maket cap further on.

So net net the idea is to raise funds equalling 160^ of market cap (maximum)
 
I remember Tv18 had similar fund raising plans in 2004 and I could not understand why a company wanted to raise funds equal to its market cap. We all know how Tv18 has come around from there on.
 
Major expansion plans seems to be on the anvil!!!!Clap
  
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 5:57pm
I am really excited to see how they raise US $ 200 million. reason is as follows:
 
GBN is held by NW18 39% and Tv18 17%. These two have FII holdings of 18% and 13% respectively so effectively GBN has an FII holdiong of (39%*13*+18%*17%) = 8.13%.
 
So FII's can invest a maximum upto 26.00% - 8.13%= 17.87%. On an expanded equity capital (after issue) this amounts to 60 - 61  lac shares. Present equity is 2.67.
 
So Rs 840 crores for 60 lac shares means the company is looking at a placement price of Rs 1350-1400 per share!!!
 
I am eager to know the conversion price and also understand where I have been wrong (if that conversion price is different from current price)
 


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Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 6:06pm
Originally posted by basant

US $ 200 mn is quite a lot. It is equal to 60% of its market cap!

If you add the proposal to raise Rs 1500 crores in market cap it amounts to around 1 times maket cap further on.

So net net the idea is to raise funds equalling 160^ of market cap (maximum)
 
I remember Tv18 had similar fund raising plans in 2004 and I could not understand why a company wanted to raise funds equal to its market cap. We all know how Tv18 has come around from there on.
 
Major expansion plans seems to be on the anvil!!!!Clap
  
 
 
 
Plan is to raise capital up to USD 200 million by way of international offerings i.e Rs 900 crore only.
 
Please clarify 'If you add the proposal to raise Rs 1500 crores in market cap it amounts to around 1 times maket cap further on. So net net the idea is to raise funds equalling 160^ of market cap (maximum)'
 


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 6:15pm
Rs1500 crores is borrowing powers over this see the bse site announcements!!!

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Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 6:16pm
Originally posted by basant

I am really excited to see how they raise US $ 200 million. reason is as follows:
 
GBN is held by NW18 39% and Tv18 17%. These two have FII holdings of 18% and 13% respectively so effectively GBN has an FII holdiong of (39%*13*+18%*17%) = 8.13%.
 
So FII's can invest a maximum upto 26.00% - 8.13%= 17.87%. On an expanded equity capital (after issue) this amounts to 60 - 61  lac shares. Present equity is 2.67.
 
So Rs 840 crores for 60 lac shares means the company is looking at a placement price of Rs 1350-1400 per share!!!
 
I am eager to know the conversion price and also understand where I have been wrong (if that conversion price is different from current price)
 
 
Do you mean there is no FII holding as on date.


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 6:21pm
Originally posted by basant

Rs1500 crores is borrowing powers over this see the bse site announcements!!!
 
Approval of borrowing power u/s 293(1)(d) is necessary, in case raising of funds of US $ 200 mn is through convertible bonds. The normal procedure of fund raising in international market is convertible bonds.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 6:23pm
Originally posted by praveenmbd

Originally posted by basant

I am really excited to see how they raise US $ 200 million. reason is as follows:
 
GBN is held by NW18 39% and Tv18 17%. These two have FII holdings of 18% and 13% respectively so effectively GBN has an FII holdiong of (39%*13*+18%*17%) = 8.13%.
 
So FII's can invest a maximum upto 26.00% - 8.13%= 17.87%. On an expanded equity capital (after issue) this amounts to 60 - 61  lac shares. Present equity is 2.67.
 
So Rs 840 crores for 60 lac shares means the company is looking at a placement price of Rs 1350-1400 per share!!!
 
I am eager to know the conversion price and also understand where I have been wrong (if that conversion price is different from current price)
 
 
Do you mean there is no FII holding as on date.
 
Yes right now there is no direct FII holdings .


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Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by basant

I am really excited to see how they raise US $ 200 million. reason is as follows:
 
GBN is held by NW18 39% and Tv18 17%. These two have FII holdings of 18% and 13% respectively so effectively GBN has an FII holdiong of (39%*13*+18%*17%) = 8.13%.
 
So FII's can invest a maximum upto 26.00% - 8.13%= 17.87%. On an expanded equity capital (after issue) this amounts to 60 - 61  lac shares. Present equity is 2.67.
 
So Rs 840 crores for 60 lac shares means the company is looking at a placement price of Rs 1350-1400 per share!!!
 
I am eager to know the conversion price and also understand where I have been wrong (if that conversion price is different from current price)
 
 
If FII holding in GBN is allowed upto 17.87%,FII holding in NW 18 and TV 18 will have to be capped.
 
Do you think management will cap FII holding in TV 18? However such holding in NW 18 has been capped as you earlier mentioned.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 7:31pm
I think FII holding is capped in TV18 as well or very near to it. Please note that if it is not capped then lesser shares will be issued meaning higher conversion price!!!

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Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 7:38pm
FII holding in TV 18 is 17.56% as on 31/03/07.
 
Now is capped. 


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 7:44pm
But I think fund raising plan will be limited to US $ 200 mn. As I earlier mentioned raising of borrowing power is to accomodate US $ 200 mn.


Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 10:13am
How they are going to maintain their holding in the company, atleast to 51% of the expanded capital as after the proposed issue their stake is likely to come down to 46%.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 21/Apr/2007 at 10:27am
Holding does not matter because accounts are consolidated on the basis of managerial control backed by shareholder's agreement even in Tv18 NW18's holding has come down to 49.13%

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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 22/Apr/2007 at 12:22pm
now for a lay man like me does that mean thatthe stock price of gbn is going to rise to the level at which they do the placement.as yu have said before valuations are already stretched beyond imagination .also if the price is going to move up that should help the valuations of nw18 which shall become even more valuable.can anyone explain

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 22/Apr/2007 at 12:34pm
Prices should go up and Network18 should participate. But GBN is not about EPS as I mentioned before. There is no floating stock so if they create a good business the stock will be in serious demand.

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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 22/Apr/2007 at 12:39pm
so the environment for nw18 to really comand its true valuations are all in place  but when it comes to price movement that is not yet happening.

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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Apr/2007 at 2:55pm

GBN reported a classic turnaround in Q4 of Fy07 - though IBN& is still in a loss stand alone GBN numbers were better then anyone's expectations. Fy08 could be the time where the company experiences huge operating leverage.

Company would start getting subscription revenues now since it has recently gone pay and the management's projection of beating Tv industry Adv growth rate (21%) indicates good times ahead.
 
Company will indicate its plans in a few days.
 


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