How big can Media & Ent. become?
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Topic: How big can Media & Ent. become?
Posted By: omshivaya
Subject: How big can Media & Ent. become?
Date Posted: 28/Nov/2006 at 9:02pm
ERNSY & YOUNG RESEARCH on where media and entertainment is headed?
Hrithik Roshan signed a Rs 36-crore (Rs 360 million), three-movie agreement with Anil Ambani's Adlabs Group in October, making Roshan the highest-paid Indian actor.
Hindi film Kabhi Alvida Na Kehna is the biggest-ever Indian blockbuster overseas, earning more than Rs 44.5 crore (Rs 445 million) abroad, overtaking Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham's Rs 35.25-crore (RS 352.5 million) record.
Last week, Television Eighteen Group, which owns the CNBC-TV18 business news channel, bought financial newswire Crisil MarketWire.
Individually, these are impressive nuggets of news. Together, they are clear pointers to the explosion in the Indian media and entertainment industry.
There's further proof. Last month, the strategist asked professional services company Ernst & Young for a comparison of earnings before interest, income tax, depreciation and amortisation data of India'sM&E industry.
It wasn't a random thought, but a logical follow-up to E&Y's recent report "Spotlight on Profitable Growth", which included a similar examination on a global scale. The findings, in a nutshell: M&E will grow exponentially, but only if the industry adapts to evolving business models.
EBITDA explained
The Indian industry is fragmented and most firms are privately held. E&Y stayed with listed M&E companies, including Adlabs, Balaji Telefilms, K Sera Sera, Zee, Sri Adhikari Brothers and UTV Software.
But focusing on listed companies meant missing out on biggies like Star, Disney and Sony Entertainment, whose financials are not in the public domain.
Between 2001 and 2005, Indian M&E companies achieved a higher EBITDA growth than the companies included in the BSE Sensex and the NSE Nifty.
While the 23 M&E companies recorded an average EBITDA compounded annual growth rate of 23 per cent, the EBITDA CAGR for the 30 companies in the Sensex and the 50 in the Nifty were significantly lower, at 18 and 17.5 per cent, respectively.
Simply put, these numbers imply profit growth in media and entertainment is faster than in other Indian industries. The picture changes somewhat when you take a closer look at EBITDA margins (EBITDA divided by net sales).
The Sensex and Nifty companies achieved higher aggregated EBITDA margins than M&E companies. The takeaway? On average, media companies are less profitable than other industries.
Granted, the numbers aren't truly representative of the industry, but they do indicate the general direction in which Indian M&E is heading. Or does it? E&Y executives believe the numbers will change dramatically in just a few years' time, as the industry adapts to the rapidly evolving technology and begins delivering value-added products and services.
"India is on the threshold of a major technological change," confirms Farokh Balsara, industry leader, media and entertainment, E&Y.
How did the companies in the global report fare? The industry as a whole achieved better EBITDA growth and margins than companies in the S&P 500 and the FTSE 100. While the Nikkei Index grew faster than the global media companies, its EBITDA margins were still lower.
The big picture
The E&Y global report had mixed reports on the television, cable and satellite industry. A 2004 study had identified television broadcast (free to air services; the Indian equivalent would be Doordarshan) as the sector "most challenged to thrive in the future", thanks to dropping audience and advertising shares.
The threats to free TV are very real, particularly as satellite TV (direct-to-home, or DTH) and cable operators establish themselves more firmly.
The rise of digital video recorders that allow viewers to record programmes and skip ads has also been a severe blow. (Unlike cable and DTH operators, whose revenue models are a mix of subscription and advertising, free TV depends heavily on ad revenues.)
In contrast, cable operators (Indian equivalent: Siti cable and so on) were the sector "most likely to thrive in the future", given their growing base of services (the ability to bundle digital television, high-speed Internet, video-on-demand and, more recently, telephony).
Globally, the sector's been growing steadily, with EBITDA CAGR at 16 per cent for 2001-05, and 39 per cent margins. Those numbers may be challenged as DTH expands its subscriber base, but cable is gearing up by promoting the video-on-demand service and developing unique content.
Meanwhile, DTH is thriving internationally, with strong EBITDA growth and margins, as a growing customer base finally offsets the huge initial investments. Operators have also hit upon a near-perfect way of warding off competition from cable: by promoting DVRs and emphasising the TV viewing experience.
It's different in India. The 68 million cable and satellite homes account for 61 per cent of all television homes in India and, given the social imperative, you won't see Doordarshan fading away anytime soon. It follows that free-to-air channels will continue to get their ads.
But the future lies in the paid channel route, according to E&Y. Subscription revenues are already double those from advertising and, in addition, are growing twice as fast. On a base of 52 million subscribers last year, ad revenues were $1.2 billion (14 per cent CAGR) and subscription revenues were $2.5 billion (26 per cent CAGR).
There's potential for further growth: the average revenue per user in India's cable industry is just $4 a month, compared to $16 in Taiwan, $20 in Indonesia and $42 in the US. A mere $1 increase in Arpu will lead to an over-$2 billion increase in subscription revenues by 2009, even keeping the subscriber base constant.
How can cable operators increase their Arpu? By providing value-added services, such as better reception quality, increased channel carrying capacity, and adding new features such as programme guides and interactive services, suggests the report.
"The industry is at a tipping point, where broadcasters have realised there is huge scope in subscription revenues, compared to ad and content revenues," comments Balsara.
Already, about 30 per cent of Star India's revenues come from pay TV and recently, the South-based Sun TV, too, announced its flagship Sun TV channel would become paid from December.
E&Y is equally bullish about DTH. By 2008, it estimates that India will become Asia's largest DTH market. But even if it is growing fast, the sector will probably show negative EBITDA margins for a while, as it scales infrastructure and invests in subscriber growth. Meanwhile, the TV boom means demand for content will also increase exponentially.
Waves of change
Like TV, the global and Indian radio sectors are hugely different. Internationally, radio is a mature market - its profitability growth is slow (EBITDA CAGR was 2 per cent from 2001 to 2005), but margins are strong (41 per cent in 2005). Radio's biggest threat there is from the all-pervasive iPods, Discmans and MP3 players.
In India, radio is still young. But unlike in the West, where radio had a chance to grow, peak and now settle down to a relaxed old age, here, the boom came along with other technological advancements - the Internet, satellite radio, iPods and FM all took off at the same time.
Not only is radio struggling to cope with simultaneous attacks on so many flanks, it's also leaving vital territories unguarded.
Instead of reaching out to niche audiences, private FM players are falling into a trap of sameness, says E&Y. A good example would be Mumbai's Go 92.5, which played mostly Western music, until it revamped its image, changed its name to Radio One and started airing the same Hindi pop and film music all other channels played.
"The effectiveness is lost when all channels sound similar," points out Balsara. Still, FM in India will grow, especially now that the government allows 20 per cent foreign direct investment in private non-news radio broadcast.
Satellite radio isn't so lucky. It's got three strikes against it: huge initial costs, battling free broadcasters and trying to "establish a 'for-pay' business model in a space that historically has been free".
Internationally, satellite radio has been growing its subscriber base by tying up with car makers who sell its equipment. That is still to be tried here. Meanwhile, the government is finalising a satellite radio policy where it proposes to lower the FDI cap from 100 to 49 per cent. Which means Worldspace, India's only satellite radio operator and a fully-owned subsidiary of an American parent, will have to offload a majority share to an Indian partner.
There's more to media
It's not just TV and radio: other M&E sectors also are growing in importance. The past few years haven't been good for the music industry: it's worth Rs 1,150 crore (Rs 11.5 billion), of which Rs 450 crore (Rs 4.5 billion) is lost to piracy.
The rise of mobile music, though, has changed the industry's tune, so much so that Star, Sony and Bennett, Coleman have set up separate business divisions to tap into this market.
According to reports, Star expects to eventually earn 30 per cent of its revenues from mobile telephony.
Last year, the industry earned Rs 150 crore (Rs 1.5 billion) from ring tones, caller ringer back tones and music clip ring tones. "Digital music is going to drive this industry in the next five years," says Balsara.
Then there's films. While multiplexes are helping box office receipts in India, global audiences are also contributing significantly. KANK apart, Fanaa earned Rs 53 crore (Rs 530 million) at home and Rs 28 crore (Rs 280 million) overseas; Omkara, too, made Rs 28 crore here and Rs 10 crore (Rs 100 million) abroad. There's another angle to the "go global" strategy: international co-productions.
Last year, Adlabs Films tied up with Hyperion Pictures to make Marigold, an English film set in India. iDream Productions, has set up an office in the UK and already made three films there. "The Indian film industry has shown huge improvement in all spheres," says Balsara.
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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 28/Nov/2006 at 9:24pm
great post highly informative now if we correlate this article to
the compnies i see a list of potential winners like this
tv18,adlabs,zee post spin off especially the siticable
part,balaji and sony ent ipo awaited content providers both and enil in
radio
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Dec/2006 at 1:23pm
All Television broadcasting companies are up today so is HTMT, maybe the market feels that CAS will now be a reality. WIth Jan 01 round the corner we just need to wait for that deadline.
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 26/Dec/2006 at 4:29pm
Just six years ago, India's largest listed media company was a
bundle of misery. Ever since its inception in 1992, we have been
tracking the fortunes of Zee Telefilms, but never had we seen it hit a
lower point than it did in 2000. It had lost four CEOs, its television
business was a mess, its cable operation was stagnant. The media empire
that chairman Subhash Chandra built had acquired the reputation of
being a 'management hotspot', a political, insecure kind of place where
no one of ability wanted to work. First Sony, then Star attacked it and
took away its leadership position in broadcasting. Its share price
crashed, wiping out billions in market capitalisation (see 'Planning A
Comeback', BW, 4 December 2000).
In the subsequent years, the first Hindi satellite broadcaster just
could not get its act together. It ran through three more CEOs, its
programming sank lower and Siti Cable continued to languish. Even
India's first DTH (direct-to-home) service, which it launched in 2003,
was largely ignored. Real DTH, everyone said, would begin when Star
joined the fray. A trip to meet someone at Zee was usually a sad
experience. The moment you walked into the closed, claustrophobic
office, you knew you were meeting a team of well-meaning people who did
not seem to be getting anywhere.
Walk into the Zee Telefilms office at Worli in Mumbai today. There
is an airy, light feeling, as if the windows have been opened after
many years. The same people we have met over six years are an excited
lot. The place is bursting with positive energy as everything —
broadcasting, cable, DTH, sports, regional languages and every other
business — falls into place. At Rs 1,423-crore, Zee Telefilms looks and
behaves like India's largest listed media company. "It is like somebody
has put incense oil and lit a flame below. The company feels and smells
good," laughs Irshwin N. Balwani, business head, Zee Muzic.
It sure does. On the back of shows such as Saat Phere and Kasamh Se,
ratings are up and yields per 10 seconds have doubled. This has lifted
advertising revenue growth to 43 per cent, up from 10 per cent in the
previous financial year, according to estimates by Hong Kong-based
consulting firm Media Partners Asia. From No. 3 in the Hindi general
entertainment stakes, Zee TV is now a clear No. 2, ahead of Sony.
Between 8 p.m. and 10 p.m., Indian prime time, it battles Star Plus
rating point for rating point. "They (Star) have had a six-year
dominance. We sure as hell will try to break that," says Punit Goenka,
director (and Chandra's son). "We don't want to remain No. 2 for too
long," echoes Pradeep Guha, CEO.
This aggressive feeling is not limited to broadcasting. There have
been a string of acquisitions, joint ventures and deals — UNI, Ten
Sports, RPG Netcom and Diligent Media Corporation (the joint venture
with Dainik Bhaskar that prints DNA) — among others. Alliances such as the one with Ten Sports will have an immediate impact on topline.
Chandra is now breaking his company into four parts to build a
bigger, stronger 'sum of parts'. The demerger of Zee Telefilms, which
will be operational soon, will create four separately listed companies:
Zee Telefilms (broadcasting and international), Wire and Wireless India
(WWIL, cable), Dish TV (DTH) and Zee News (ZNL, news and regional
channels). Each will be raising capital for growth. The total capital
being raised over the next five years — about Rs 1,500 crore. And their
joint revenue target — Rs 12,000 crore by 2011 (more on this later).
In November came the seal of approval from the stockmarkets — Zee's
market capitalisation finally hit the same figure that analysts at
Merrill Lynch, New York, had attached to Star India in October 2005 —
$3 billion. Chandra's company, it seems, has finally got its act
together. What happened? "The only visible thing that has changed is
that our flagship channel has revived," says Rajiv Garg, CEO (corporate
strategy and finance), Essel Group (Zee's parent).
Its rub-off effect is being used to break up the company and raise
capital to fix the subscription-driven businesses. Notice that all the
big investments from now on — about Rs 1,500 crore in all — will happen
in pay TV systems such as cable and DTH. There is no major capex
planned for the content businesses.
The ability to sustain this success and to leverage it to become a
bigger company will, however, need a management depth and maturity that
Zee has for long been accused of lacking. So, have Chandra and Zee
indeed matured enough to take that big leap? "Contrary to expectations
and in spite of whatever I had heard [before joining Zee], Mr Chandra
did not interfere [with whatever changes he made at Zee]," says Guha.
Coming from a man who has just completed two years at a company
notorious for losing CEOs within a year, is that sign that the
turnaround is not a flash in the pan?
What's Working
Chandra maintains that Zee's "strategy was never wrong, only
execution was poor. There were no systems and processes, everything was
individual driven. When the channel and company were doing well, many
things were wrong but no one noticed". To fix that, he got Guha, former
president of Bennett, Coleman & Company (BCCL), and Goenka to join
the Zee TV team in January 2005. The putting in place of systems and
processes is the first of two changes that the duo made.
Earlier each channel operated in a silo with its own revenues and
costs. Now, however, the 23 domestic channels operate as a network.
Take Zee Cinema. It had been a star in the Zee portfolio for over three
years (it brings in the largest share of profits after Zee TV). Much of
its strengths came from its understanding of movie-watching behaviour.
Bharat Kumar Ranga, executive vice-president in charge of Zee Cinema
(among other channels) points out that most viewers watch an average
20-22 minutes of a film. Contrary to popular perception, they prefer
breaks. "Consumer behaviour at home is different from the theatre," he
says. That is because India remains, largely, a one-TV market. Films
are watched along with other people. "Even in two- and three-TV homes,
the atmosphere is of a one-TV home," says Ranga. Nuggets like these
were never utilised by the network. But now this understanding of
movie-watching behaviour has meant that the Zee Cinema team does the
film programming for Zee TV and the entire network.
The second change is more subtle. Neil Chakravarti was an investment
banker with JP Morgan in London when Guha and Goenka bumped into him a
couple of years ago. Guha offered him a job on the spur of the moment
and Chakravarti accepted. This non-TRP man is now vice-president in
charge of English channels Zee Café, Zee Trendz and Zee Studio. These
channels are extremely difficult to push in a mass-entertainment driven
cable scenario. The idea is to keep building them till pay TV systems
take off. Even three years ago, Zee would not have committed resources
and people like Chakravarti to building the business. "Earlier, it was
a very cost-centric approach, now it is an investment-centric one,"
says a senior manager. Earlier this year, the entire creative team was
taken on a film appreciation course to FTII. "This has never been done
before," says Sanghamitra Ghosh, executive vice-president (HR), who has
been around for over five years.
This focus on investing in people, programming and businesses comes
with more questioning. For instance, the key result areas (KRAs) of
most programming people are now linked to TRPs. There is a calendar of
meetings for senior people devised by The Hay Group (an HR
consultancy). They have to meet every few weeks irrespective of which
part of the world they come from. This adherence to processes and
systems has been Star's biggest strength, whose executive committee
meets with Hong Kong every Monday. The team from Hong Kong comes to
India every month and so the system goes. Because the top guys are
always in touch with each other, coordination and communication is much
better, so are responses to competitive situations.
"I think the biggest change has been stability," says Goenka, who
seems very much his own man. "The company had seen four different heads
in quick succession. Performance was affected because people did not
want to take decisions." Now, "there is a lot of positive energy, every
success is celebrated", says Nitin Vaidya, executive vice-president,
Zee Regional Channels. For example, if Zee Marathi wins an award, a
mail is sent out to everybody from the chairman. The result is a
culture that encourages people to think and voice ideas and systems
that ensure that these ideas do not get lost. "There is an openness
that Guha and Goenka showed. They clearly want people who can think out
of the box," says Chakravarti. Attrition, a huge problem at Zee, is
showing some signs of slowing down. From 36 per cent in 2004-05, it has
come down to 24 per cent in 2005-06. Ghosh expects it to steady at 12
per cent in the next financial year.
These changes are being dovetailed into some of the tougher ones.
These are the steady raising of ad rates, the launching of several new
international (such as Zee Arabiya) and Indian channels (such as Zee
Tamil), and the investment in sports. The biggest bets, however, are on
what the demerger could do. The first restructuring discussion happened
in 2005, says Garg. The idea was to free all the other businesses from
the vagaries of the broadcasting one. Cable, DTH, news and regional
channels, and broadcasting all have different regulations and foreign
investment norms. "It was evident that the content business would drag
down the other ones such as Siti Cable (WWIL)," says Goenka. Now, if
WWIL wants to raise money, a couple of rating point drops in Zee TV
will not affect its valuation.
If the demerger works, it opens the floodgates for subscription
revenues, the biggest potential upside in the Rs 20,000 crore-odd
television broadcasting business. These have so far been the weakest
link in the chain for all broadcasters including Zee. Of the Rs 12,000
crore-odd collected on the ground from 71 million cable homes in India,
just about 15-20 per cent comes back to broadcasters against 50 per
cent in more robust pay TV markets (this does not include DTH
revenues). Though they want a slice of the market, foreign investors
have been chary of the unorganised and fragmented nature of the
business. So, in spite of being allowed to own 49 per cent in a cable
company, most have stayed away. Nor have broadcasters and cable
companies found it worth their while to invest in installing digital
set-top boxes, which would bring addressability and, therefore, more
pay revenues (see 'Choked', BW, 16 May 2005).
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Saat Phere/Zee TV The travails of the 'dark girl' has captivated Indian audiences, handing Zee key rating points | | |
Today, "there is a powerful pull from the ground forcing us to do
digitisation", says Jagjit Singh Kohli, CEO, WWIL. DTH and the threat
of IPTV have put cable networks in a state of panic. Their networks are
already broadband-enabled. Kohli points out that several broadband
operators (Sify, Tata, Reliance) use the cable pipes combined with
Ethernet to ride into homes. WWIL is using this state of physical and
mental readiness among last-mile operators to gain control over homes
directly. It has acquired, at roughly Rs 1,500-Rs 2,000 per home,
controlling stakes in seven non-metro MSOs, who have access to 250,000
subscribers. The target is to control, directly or through franchisees,
9.6 million STB-enabled homes by 2011. The cost: Rs 830 crore as of
now. And the targeted revenues: Rs 3,770 crore. Even if WWIL acquires
7-8 million direct subscribers, its ability to command a valuation of
$100-$200 per subscriber from a foreign investor goes up, reckons
Dinyar Contractor, editor, Satellite & Cable TV magazine. Remember, everyone
from John Malone's Liberty Media to Time-Warner have their eye on this
market. At a minimum of $100, even a 20 per cent sale of stake in a
network with 10 million homes could bring in about Rs 1,000 crore.
Now factor in the impact of rising pay TV numbers, either through
DTH, HITS (Headend in the sky) or cable, on the content business.
Control over the last mile means a better share of revenues and the
ability to price channels such as Zee Café differentially (though
regulation does not permit that yet). "We have not even scratched the
surface on subscriptions," says Guha. Agrees Arun Poddar, CEO,
Zee-Turner: "Three years down the line, people will forget the last 10
years of broadcasting. Subscription will become the mainstay."
The Chandra Factor
Even Chandra's worst critics admit that he is a visionary par excellence.
The plan is just proof of that. He spots businesses and bets on them
long before his bigger rivals. Unlike Star or Sony, Zee has a robust
regional and international broadcasting business. If you take Fun
Republic (into multiplexes) and DNA into account, Chandra owns, along
with Kalanithi Maran's Sun TV, one of the best portfolios of media
assets in India. But the execution is not always as good as the vision.
"When I look at some of the (research) papers from 1993, I feel
strongly that we were headed in the right direction, but didn't carry
our decisions through well," says Chandra. For instance, Zee did the
first experiments with a Bangla language programme in 1992. "We should
have launched a Bangla channel by 1994, but the CEO then did not," says
Chandra. Ditto for Tamil. "We made a mistake in the hiring of CEOs.
That cost the company a lot in terms of perception. Things settled down
once Goyal [Sandeep Goyal, the CEO just before Guha] was asked to
leave," goes on Chandra. (When contacted by BW, Goyal declined to comment.)
The results, especially on the flagship channel, are proof that
Chandra is letting his CEOs be. It explains why the same team, most of
who have done an average of 7-9 years at Zee, has performed. "I had a
far more dismal picture of Zee from the outside than when I came in. I
found the people to be very good. I have hardly hired any new people,"
points out Guha. Chandra still wields tight control, though. He also
has a reputation for not liking it if the CEOs become the stars. Almost
every former CEO has said that to us. At a meeting of top managers a
couple of weeks ago, several requested him to decentralise
decision-making some more. Says the head of one business: "Even today,
any decision I make has to go through him. Everything is going right
for the company, but it has to get out of the ownership trap." Chandra
denies that he is very hands on, now. "If I notice something I do
inform them. It is up to them to take action," he says.
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Adhuri Ek Kahani/ Zee Marathi The channel brings in the most revenues among all of Zee's regional channels | | |
You could argue, of course, that some of the best media companies in
the world are driven by owners — Sumner Redstone's Viacom or Rupert
Murdoch's News Corporation, for example. "It is a good blend of owner
and professional management that works," says Jawahar Goel, business
head, Dish TV and Chandra's brother. If Guha's job was to put systems
and processes in place, he has done that. Now it is up to the chairman
to respect them at an operational level. That is what a Murdoch or a
Redstone does. So maybe all that was needed — the right balance of
Chandra and a professional CEO — is already there.
The risks are evident — a five-point drop in ratings or a 20 per
cent one in share price could easily derail the transformation process
if it is not yet part of the company DNA. Also, remember that Zee has
surged ahead in a year when both its competitors had their eye off the
ball. The internal politicking at Star (see 'Beyond Broadcasting', BW, 8 May 2006) and Sony's problems with its investors made
things easier for Zee. But as Vivek Couto, executive director, Media
Partners Asia, points out, "You can hit an 800-pound gorilla (Star),
but you haven't yet felt the 800-pound gorilla hitting back." The other
risks: "CAS might not take off, DTH may not become as big as
estimated," rattles off Couto.
The Goenka Factor
The biggest risk, however, is in the question floating within and
outside Zee these days. Who is responsible for the turnaround, Guha or
Goenka? It typifies Zee's paradoxical existence as an owner-driven,
professionally run company. "It is no credit to any one person. It is
to the credit of the whole team. Punit and Pradeep work as a team,"
says Chandra. Goenka, who makes no bones about the fact that he is the
owner's son, says he is answerable only to shareholders. He is clearly
comfortable with Guha professionally, a thing that his father may not
have shared with Zee's former CEOs. (Guha and Goenka knew each other
before Guha joined Zee). So, this nextgen at Zee (everyone talks about
Goenka being Chandra's successor) is ostensibly more comfortable with
professional management than the entrepreneur.
What about the professionals? Remember Vijay Jindal, the only CEO
who stayed around for five years and brought order to the wild west
that Zee was in the early 1990s? Jindal, incidentally, was a BCCL man.
Does it say anything about Guha and Jindal's special ability to work in
owner-driven companies? Maybe it does. Maybe Guha knows where to push
and where to draw the line. And that is why he was reluctant to talk to
us or anyone. Maybe that is why the changes he has made will be more
lasting. What happens to Zee when he leaves (there are rumours flying
around already)? "The momentum won't go if I leave. I am very focused
on building systems and processes," says Guha.
If Zee grows as per schedule even after he leaves, then both Chandra
and Guha would have done their jobs. Till then, the jury is out on the
strength of the turnaround.
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Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 26/Dec/2006 at 5:35pm
Good article and great post..
Basantji, Which of the pieces of zee , out of the 4, would be more attractive to hold or buy?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Dec/2006 at 10:29pm
ZEEL I would preseume is the most exciting. As for the others they are yet to get listed.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 26/Dec/2006 at 12:57pm
What would a reasonable CAGR be for ZEEL(which I presume you meant Zee Entertainment Limited) for the next 3-4 years Basant sir.
Thank you very much!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 12:00pm
25% - 30% at least is what I would like to bet on!!!
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 12:18pm
Basant saab
Pantaloon ret @ 420
TV 18 @ 600
Zee @ 293 and
Reliance com @ 476
Among the above four which one is most lucrative at the moment!
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 12:28pm
Basantji how is the tie up of Videocon and Pantaloon going to pan out
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 12:43pm
Out of the four I am not sure on either one (at current price) since all good things have run up. Videocon tie up is good Biyani is trengthening his backend and knows his strength is not in vegetables and fruits.
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 1:01pm
but this does Videocon products...are they good or do they sell......or is Videocon goign to showcase other products (of different companies)
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 1:34pm
Originally posted by basant
Out of the four I am not sure on either one (at current price) since all good things have run up. Videocon tie up is good Biyani is trengthening his backend and knows his strength is not in vegetables and fruits. |
What to buy then Sir now!.I know what to sell and doing it. If I want to put a bid of Toshiba LCD TV small size 20" @ 22900 with angle of 168 degree then is it worth to buy!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 1:57pm
Videocon products are very aggressively priced.They sell like crazy in the middle class segment I think that this should be very good because a new brand would be created meaning higher margins for Pantaloon compared to just selling branded consumer appliances.
About the Tv yes, but why not SONY?
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 3:35pm
1.Sony is progressively becoming less TOTAL VALUE seller to customer as regard to Value given to customer, (as I think so)!
2. So far I have not come accross Bidding with Sony product
3. My family will vigourously shake their head to replace the old one by new one with a new TV! So I will prefer not to go to shop!
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 3:45pm
"..So far I have not come accross Bidding with Sony product.."
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Are you guys discussing eBay kind of online auctions? Tell us more whether there are real bargains out there...
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 4:01pm
I look at Indiatimes shopping at times and not ebay
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Dec/2006 at 11:40am
CAS/DTH will change the entire structure of the Indian broadcast market - This is an interesting article:
http://www.indiantelevision.com/ye2006/lynn_desouza06.htm - http://www.indiantelevision.com/ye2006/lynn_desouza06.htm
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 03/Jan/2007 at 2:51am
he
Indian entertainment and media (E&M) industry, standing at more than USD 8
billion, is one of the fastest growing sectors of the Indian economy. The industry
is now at an inflection point, with the earlier phase of growth having run its
course; the sector is now ready to enter a second stage of growth powered by the
twin engines of technology and an enabling regulatory environment. According to
a study by FICCI and PwC it has been estimated that the industry would grow at
a CAGR of 19% to reach Rs. 83,740 crores by 2010 from the present levels of Rs.3,530
crore 1 
Source:
ENIL, 2006. Easy
availability of jobs amongst the young Indians (20-24 yrs) have led to a higher
disposable http://www.valuenotes.com/one-time/tarannum_analysisE&M_3jan07.asp?ArtCd=103792&Cat=&Id=# - So
what drives the E&M industry? The buoyant economy has given a fillip to the
consumer's income which in turn increases the disposable income that the consumer
spends on E&M 2. This combined with technological
advancement and policy initiatives undertaken by the Indian government has contributed
to the growth of the E&M industry. Factors such as low media penetration across
various socio-economic classes and lower ad spends have also helped drive the
industry. The other key factor is the liberalized foreign regime, the recent being
FDI permitted in the print and radio sectors, while films, TV and other segments
are already open to foreign investments. In short it can be said that the Indian
E&M has everything going for it, be it technology, digitalization, government
support and industry developments 3. 
Source:
ENIL, 2006. The
industry needs a consistent and uniform media policy for increasing investments
in all sectors that needs efforts not just by the industry bodies but also by
the government. Investments in technology will call for access to more institutionalized
funds, thus resulting in corporatization, transparent accounting policies, professionalism
and corporate governance. According to a report by BSE, Annual Market Review 2003,
the Indian media business is no different in terms of exponential potential as
compared to its global counterparts. The difference lies in the structure of the
business in India and that at the global levels 4.
AOL- time, Walt Disney, Bertelsmann, Viacom, News Corporation and Vivendi Universal
are amongst the largest media companies in the world and their `family brands'
consists of business in almost all areas of the media segment. Whilst in India,
we have dominant leaders in individual segments of the business such as Broadcasting
(Star, Sony and Zee), Content (Balaji, TV18), Music (Saregama, Tips, Universal),
Movies (Mukta Arts, Yash Raj Films) and Distribution (Siticable, Hathway). India
has the largest television market in the world today, acquiring the largest share
in the entertainment industry accounting to 42%. The television industry grew
at 15% overall, while the print media had received the much-needed impetus for
growth with approval for FDI in July 2005 5. In the past few years,
television has grown in an unprecedented manner. The medium saw changes by way
of new genres establishing themselves; more channels added the scene, changes
on distribution platforms and hike in rates across channels. Television homes
are growing at a staggering rate of 4% pa in India, thus it can be said that the
number of television homes far exceeds the number of telephone-connected homes.
India has 119 million television households that comprise around 60% of the total
households in the country. Of these 119 million TV households, about 50 million
receive cable television services, leading to a penetration of about 42% cable
TV households to total TV households and 25% cable TV households to total households
in India. As can be seen, from these low penetration percentages, there exists
a huge untapped potential growth in this industry 6.
The
television distribution market consists of revenues generated by distributors
of television programming to viewers. This includes spending by consumers on subscriptions
to basic and premium channels accessed from cable operators, satellite providers,
or Internet protocol television (IPTV) services, as well as on video-on-demand
(VOD). 
The
television industry broadly has three streams of revenues - subscriptions, advertising
and software content. Subscription revenues are projected to be the key growth
driver for the domestic television industry over the next 5 years owing to a rise
in the number of pay TV homes as well as subscription rates. From having one public
broadcaster to over 350 channels available today, the Indian television industry
has come a long way and is poised for even higher growth. An urban cable home
in the four metros currently receives approximately 90 channels in the analogue
mode. Fifty of these `free to air' channels while the rest are `pay' channels
that are bundled together in bouquets. Emerging
platforms like DTH (Direct to Home) and IPTV (Internet Protocol Television) has
helped expand the subscriber base and push up subscription revenues 8.
DTH services are seeing increased interest on the part of large business houses
and have emerged as a major challenge to the established cable TV. This increasing
popularity of DTH services will stir up not only growth within the segment, but
also in the cable TV system. Cable operators, especially multi system operators
(MSOs) are gearing up with their offering of digital cable to compete against
the DTH services 3. Due
to its sheer size, television has been the main driver for industry's growth contributing
to 62% of the overall industries growth. With total revenues of INR 39 billion,
television is the goliath of the entertainment industry. It is now ready to advance
to the next stage of its evolution, grasping the opportunities presented by the
digital age, which will completely change the home entertainment landscape. In
the process, it is expected to continue its rapid growth and reach INR 371 billion
by 2010 7. 
Source:
ENIL,2006. The
current size of the Indian music industry is USD 155 million and is expected to
grow to USD 165 million by 2010 with a CAGR of merely 1%. Analysts state that
the music sector is estimated to be about USD 149 million in legitimate sales
of music cassettes and CDs and is pegged to grow at 3% over the next 5 years 3.
However, this industry has been plagued by piracy and has been showing very sluggish
growth in the physical format over the last few years, both in India and globally.
The industry is seeing a revival of sorts with the growth of `mobile music' and
`licensed digital distribution' services. The
music industry however has a very unique structure unlike most other global markets.
Earlier, the music market was completely dominated by film music, as music is
an integral part of Indian films and music rights contributed as much as 15% of
an individual film's earnings. However, in the recent years remix, video-albums,
depicting live song-cum-dance shows, are creating ripples in music industry. With
the tremendous increase in the number of music lovers, piracy too has grown by
leaps and bounds along with evolution of new techniques adversely affecting the
music industry. Internet
downloads, FM, mobile and I-pods have led to downfall in music market, with 12
- 13 crores music business in 2006 to only Rs.11 crore music business in 2010,
as compared to 1200 crore music business in 1995 8. In the past few
years, the success of music videos and non-film albums is driving growth in the
Indian music market. However,
an industry wide solution is required to address piracy issues that affect major
E&M sectors including filmed entertainment, home video and consumer book publishing. This
Rs.300 crore industry is poised for big growth estimated to reach a size of Rs.1200
crore (32% growth) by 2010. The PwC report states that there will be a boom in
the radio industry with 22% growth and rationalization of the license framework
will treble its size to about USD 145.9 billion by 2009 3. The key
growth factor in the still infant radio industry is reaching local audiences that
have till now been served largely by print media. It is said this would grow atleast
four times in the next 5 years. The
Indian radio today reaches out to 99% of the population and is currently the most
cost-effective mass communication media in the country (According to a report
by Global Consultancy PwC). The revenues in this sector are contributed by the
advertiser spending on radio stations, radio networks and satellite radio subscriptions,
along with the content attaining a growth at a CAGR of 22% in the coming
years 6. The overall ad spends in India is about 3% as compared to
the worldwide average of 8.7%. How much the radio pulls depends on how much privatization
there is in a country and how aggressively its players are able to promote themselves.
Radio in countries like Philippines and Sri Lanka has upto 10-12% shares 9.
Technology
has influenced the way consumers listen to the radio. Radio has reinvented itself
by finding a presence in portable devices such as phones, I-pods and PDAs triggering
multi-platform development. Thus, everybody is looking at repurposing and repackaging
core strengths onto as many platforms as possible 10. Of
late, the radio industry has become the hottest sector for investment in the E&M
space due to the availability of as many as 338 FM radio licenses for bidding
for the private players. These cover 91 cities, most of which till now were being
serviced only by the State Broadcaster 11. The private
FM radio sector is expected to get foreign investments of USD 111 million in the
next 12 to 18 months. The
Indian film industry is the largest in the world churning out around 1000 movies
a year, thus playing a major role in the growth of the E&M sector in India.
The industry stands at an estimated USD 1.5 billion and is expected to grow around
20% annually to reach USD 3.4 billion by 2010 3. The sources of revenue
being consumer box office spending for theatrical motion pictures plus spending
on renting and purchasing home video products in both DVD and VHS formats. It
also includes online film rental subscription services, such as those whereby
DVDs are delivered via overnight mail, and streaming services, whereby films are
downloaded via a broadband Internet connection. The
film segment is set to grow at 5% a year for the next five years, with areas like
overseas markets, domestic box office revenues, ticket prices and home entertainment
consumption seeing growth 2. The Indian film
industry has more than 3.1 billion admissions. Though the number of admissions
is the highest in the world, when one compares the number of screens available
for Indian population, the average is relatively low as compared with other countries.
With around 12000 theatres in the country that are mostly single-screen, the average
screen density works out to be only 12 screens per a million population 3.
A strong appetite for movies and an upload migration of household incomes in India,
has bought a several business opportunities in this segment. The box office collections
of this industry are 85% of its revenues as compared to the US film industry where
the collections are only 27% of the revenues. 
There
is also a huge base for growth in the home video segment, having over 5 million
home video and DVD subscribers. With the current penetration levels, the home
video segment offers ample growth opportunity and is expected to grow over 30%
in the next 5 years. With the help of mediums like DVDs and Internet, the viewership
of regional films is no longer confined to specific areas. There has been an increased
importance of regional cinema. According to industry estimates, Hindi language
films made in India are produced in the south and east regions of India in regional
languages 6. The size of the South Indian film industry
is bigger than the Hindi film industry, in terms of number of films produced. Most
international films are being dubbed in the local languages to be screened in
cinema theatres. As a result of this the dubbing industry has grown at 25-30%
over the last 5 years. With around 75% of the total industry revenues of USD 5.1
million contributed by international content released in local language. For example,
the dubbing of `Spiderman 2' in three local languages has played a large role
in the stupendous success of film in India 6. The
current size of the print media is around Rs.10,900 crore and is projected to
grow at a CAGR of 12% to Rs.19,500 crore by 2010 1.
Rise in literacy levels in both urban and rural areas, a booming economy, growing
need for content and appropriate steps taken by the government to encourage foreign
investments in this industry has triggered the growth of this sector. With more
foreign investments happening in this sector, the demand for Indian content is
on the rise. The print (including newspaper and magazines) media industry consists
of spending by advertisers and readers of daily print newspapers (both newsstand
purchases and subscriptions). Weekly papers constitute a separate and distinct
market in terms of content, advertising base and subscriber interests. 
However,
the print media market is very fragmented with approx. 1900 news publications
for a circulation figure of just 200 million. The latest readership survey NRS
2005 states that the reach of print media (dailies and magazines combined), as
a proportion of reading population (i.e. 15 years and above) is only 27% as compared
to the global readership average of over 50%. This highlights the significant
potential of the print media market in India 3;12. Due to India's regional
diversity the print media is also characterized by a large number of players dominating
specific geographies. The English daily readership has been stagnant at 21 million,
while the vernacular news dailies dominate the market with a 49% share 13. The
size of the Indian Animation industry is USD 285 million and sees an opportunity
to rise to USD 950 million by 2009 5. India's
software success story is graduating to the creative space by making attempts
in story telling by cooking up stories to come up with an immensely entertaining
broth. However, Indian animators have not been exposed to animation films unlike
animators in China, Philippines and South Korea. The Indian animation industry
has moved up the value chain with an entry into the lucrative business of co-production.
Walt Disney, NBC Universal, Mattel, Lionsgate and Mike Young Production are just
a handful of big names using the Indian talent pool not just to execute animation
software but also to share copyrights and profits 14. The total cost
of making a full-length animated film in America is estimated to be USD 100 million
to USD 175 million. In India, it can be made for USD 15 million to USD 25 million. There
is a serious need to setup more training institutes that focus on animation to
do away with the lack of awareness and absence of substantial venture capital
inflow. NASSCOM's study on Gaming and Animation Industry in India released in
December 2005 estimates the global opportunities in this sector is currently more
than USD 55 billion. Experts expect the animation industry to move from USD 12
billion to USD 42 billion by 2009 with two-third of this coming from India, while
the mobile gaming industry would grow by 67% within five years 5. Over
the last few years there has been a rise in the overall consuming levels of Indian
consumers attributed to the strong economic growth and lower interest rates in
the country that has led to higher disposable income. Government announcement
of the key policy initiatives such as migration to revenue share regime, opening
of licenses to private players and allowing foreign investments into the segment
will help drive growth in this sector 1. According
to the 2006-07 Budget, the government allows 20% FDI in FM radio by shifting to
revenue share regime from the current license fee structure. The foreign ownership
restrictions have been relaxed in the newspaper category allowing 26% foreign
equity holding, by Foreign Institutional Investors (FIIs), Non-Resident Indians
(NRIs) and Overseas Corporate Bodies (OCBs), in the news-related print media and
100% FDI non-news publications 3. Printing of facsimile
editions of foreign journals is now also allowed in India thus helping the foreign
journals to effectively cut down on the costs of distribution and serve the Indian
audiences more effectively. The
Indian advertising spends as a percentage of GDP is at 0.34% as compared to other
developed and developing countries where the average is 0.98%. Though low ad spends
are one of the major challenges faced by the E&M industry, it throws open
immense potential for growth. The current advertising revenues are around Rs.132
billion 11. Of the total amount spent on ads in India, radio is presently
estimated to garner a share of about 2% as compared to the Australian commercial
radio ad spends of 9%, this shows that there is a possibility for a huge growth
in this sector. 
Source:
Unraveling the potential. However,
experts estimate that the share of ad spends in radio would grow substantially
over the next 5-10 years due to explosive growth in the ad inventory as a result
of commencement of operations of atleast 300 stations over next couple of years
15. India
has one of the most open liberal investment regimes among the emerging economies
with a conducive FDI environment. The second quarter brought a mixed bag for VC
investments in the E&M industry. Faced with slowing sales and dipping profits,
foreign media houses are increasingly eyeing India as one of the most attractive
markets globally today we have Britain's Pearson, publisher of Financial Times,
Independent News and Media, Turner International and BBC Worldwide as recent investors
in this sector.

Recently
FDI was permitted in the two important sectors of Print media and Radio; Films
and TV and other segments are already open to foreign investments. In all, there
have been 8 proposals for FDI in the news and current affairs media including
Mid-day Multimedia Ltd, Business India Publication Ltd, Deccan Chronicle Holdings
Ltd, Dhara Prakashan Pvt. Ltd, Writers & Publishers Ltd and DT M&E Pvt.
Ltd. At present, the information and broadcasting ministry has cleared 13 proposals
for FDI in media and is still examining another 22 proposals. The FM radio segment
too was opened for foreign investment recently with 20% FDI being allowed. As
many as 101 companies have expressed their interest in the segment, most of which
are currently not in the business of running and operating a radio station. This
has bought about a need not just for financial investments but also technical
and operating experience. Almost
every segment of the entertainment and media industry is shifting from physical
distribution to digital distribution of content, thus creating more revenue opportunities
for entertainment and media companies. Of late, India has been witnessing new
ways of being entertained thus leading to emergence of new distribution channels
like mobile phones and Internet. The global spending via online and wireless channels
is expected to increase to USD 67 billion by 2010, says Outlook 16.

Source:
E&M, impact of new technology. Digital
technologies consist of five categories: online rental subscriptions and digital
streaming in filmed entertainment, licensed digital downloads and mobile music
in recorded music, online and wireless video games, electronic books, and online
casino gaming. Consumers are now downloading movie clips, games and film based
ringtones, which in turn helps the players to cash in on the emerging craze for
this medium. This wireless medium, growing at a CAGR of 80% over the past few
years, provides the industry with a new revenue stream for selling their entertainment
content 17. As an indicator of the increasing
revenue potential for this channel, content is being modified to suit distribution,
with revenues being shared by the mobile service provider, content developer and
the content owner. Online distribution of entertainment via Internet is expected
to rise with the increased uptake of broadband-based Internet, which is currently
at low levels in India. Technological
advancements like digitalization of cable broadcasting TV network will help inflate
the existing capacity for broadcasting new channels. This will allow transmission
of more channels on the same bandwidth, thereby expanding the market for both
advertisements and subscription services. DVD sales and rentals (with falling
prices) have revitalized the home video segment with increase in revenues thus
contributing significantly to the growth of this segment. The
problem of piracy has impacted all segments especially films, music and television.
The lack of appropriate measure taken up by the government to enforce anti-piracy
laws is encouraging the menace of piracy. Most
sectors of the Indian E&M industry have traditionally operated under various
agencies of the Indian Government, which were later opened to the private players
in various stages. Thus the major benefactors in terms of broadcasting rights
have been the incumbents like AIR and Doordarshan. For instance, limited frequencies
have been opened for the private players with a license fee, which is not currently
applicable to AIR. The same is with Doordarshan. There is an urgent need to have
a consistent content regulation across all delivery mediums like television, films,
radio and print. The
broadcast media pricing has been frozen for over a year now, as per the notification
issued by the TRAI. Since the market has been so efficiently regulated through
competition, price regulation would limit the broadcaster's ability to shape their
business models based on the market demand and the competitive environment. The
tax treatment of the foreign broadcasting companies in India is emerging as one
of the most important policy issue deterring foreign investments in the country.
The
major issue faced by the industry is the lack of infrastructure. India has the
challenge of building a broadband digital network to reach every city, every village,
every home and every office. In addition, building a broadband digital network
calls for huge server fans and new devices, this requires good support of technology. Millions
of trained engineers, operators and technicians are required in order to maintain
such a vast infrastructure. Thus the challenge of having proper human resources
comes into existence. Since the entertainment industry is highly fragmented and
disorganized, there is an urgent need for the government to facilitate digital
entertainment to involve as an industry. The
future of the Entertainment and media industry will be driven by technology giving
a bunch of value-added features to the consumers and new revenue streams for the
players in each segment. Television industry will continue enjoying a lions share
in the E&M industry and is expected to continue growing rapidly and reach
INR 371 billion by 2010. Digitalisation
will help revolutionalize the Film industry by bringing out faster and cheaper
modes of delivering films to the consumers in terms of digital distribution of
films, new distribution formats like mobile and internet devices and the emergence
of home video market. The film segment will also experience growth of multiplexes
and digital distribution format driven by better realizations at the box-office,
growth in collections from the overseas markets as a result of better marketing
and distribution set-ups and emergence of the home video market linked primarily
with the purchasing power of the consumer. The
music industry world over is beset by piracy and is expected to grow marginally
at 3% over the next five years. However, the traditional delivery formats like
CDs and Cassettes will be affected by the emerging platforms like digital delivery
formats, wireless mobile phones and internet. Thus digital and mobile distribution
will be a significant component of the E&M market that will be fueled by rising
broadband and wireless subscribership. The physical formats will continue to dominate,
but growth will be slow as consumers migrate to digital and mobile distribution. The
radio industry is all set to boom in the coming few years and is expected to grow
by 32%. The availability of larger number of frequencies and rationalization in
the license framework would drive the radio industry growth by 22% over the next
five years to reach a size of about Rs.650 crores by 2009 18. Resources: 1.
Media, Entertainment to grow at 19%, Times of India. 2.
E&M to grow at 137% by 2010, BS
Corporate Bureau in Mumbai, March 23, 2006. 3.
Entertainment and Media industry in India: outperforming the economy, Dr. Uday
Lal Pai, Investorideas.com, October 02, 2006. 4.
BSE, Annual Capital Market Review, 2003. 5.
Indian E&M industry poised for growth. 6.
Vibrant activity in Media and Entertainment sector, The Financial Express, Dec
30, 2005. 7.
CII - KPMG Report. 8.
Entertainment sector to grow 11.5%, The Indian Express. 9.
INDIA: FM radio set to explode as bidding ends, Times of India, Feb.5, 2006. 10.
Radio gaga. 11.
Indian media Rs.837 billion by 2010: FICCI, Indiantelevsion.com, March 12, 2006. 12.
Media industry to grow to Rs.83740 crore by 2010, The Statesman, March 13, 2006. 13.
Media industry to grow 19% till 2010, Central Chronicle, March 12, 2006. 14.
Survey projects animation industry to log USD 950 million in 4 years. 15.
Radio industry to see 32% growth, Times of India, March 23, 2006. 16.
PricewaterhouseCoopers Says Entertainment and Media Industry in Solid Growth Phase,
Will Grow 6.6 Percent Annually to $1.8 Trillion in 2010. 17.
Indian entertainment industry - Executive Summary, FICCI and PwC report, Frames
2005. 18.
Indian Media and Entertainment Industry: unfolding the opportunity, 2006.
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Posted By: vikram_varma200
Date Posted: 05/Jan/2007 at 7:26am
i have a question regarding CAS.i don't think this is the right forum forthis question but hope answer from you guys.
Does CAS provide Hi-definition.(HD).because in abou 10 years from now all tv's will get into hi-defnition capable and requirement for that HD content will be more.I know for matter of fact that HD is supported in DTH.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 05/Jan/2007 at 8:50am
I think that High definition is transmitted by the broadcaster and is something that is denoted by 1080p. CAS would transmit that from whatever I know but for an individual it is always better to go for DTH - here you have your own satellite unlike CAS where the signal is distributed from one to many.
This is what I know but would be eager to get more opinions on this one especially the diffference between 1080p and 720p?
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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 12:36pm
Watch out for 'K sera sera'. It is beaten down to nearly death, now reviving. It is not top sector pick from any angle but this is my dark horse in sector call. Current Mcap is comforting factor.
Nothing to write about it's promoter but it has 'done that/been there' what kids are doing now.
It is pure sector call in booming media sector. Yes, I like media sector. This is my second sector pick after evergreen financial. Let's see how this sector comes out..
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 1:28pm
Companies with video library should do well. Video on demand and further cash from re-runs would guarantee steady flow of revenues from content library.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 11/Jan/2007 at 9:52am
This is a big boost to TV18 shareholders.
It is no secret that television networks like NDTV and TV18 have been paying through their nose-estimates range from Rs 15 to 20 crore annually per network- to cable biggies like Hathway to carry their channels in their prime band.Known as 'carriage fees',this levy has shaved off the profits TV channels make.WiTh CAS in place,this cookie might just crumble.
An official of GBN,could not contain his glee at this IPO launch and said broadcasters may finally see an end to paying huge amounts for preferential placement.In the CAS regime,the digital feed ensures clarity of as many as 150 channels.
This is the time to celebrate. 
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 11/Jan/2007 at 9:58am
Originally posted by deveshkayal
This is a big boost to TV18 shareholders.
It is no secret that television networks like NDTV and TV18 have been paying through their nose-estimates range from Rs 15 to 20 crore annually per network- to cable biggies like Hathway to carry their channels in their prime band.Known as 'carriage fees',this levy has shaved off the profits TV channels make.WiTh CAS in place,this cookie might just crumble.
An official of GBN,could not contain his glee at this IPO launch and said broadcasters may finally see an end to paying huge amounts for preferential placement.In the CAS regime,the digital feed ensures clarity of as many as 150 channels.
This is the time to celebrate.  |
Absolutely. You are bang on.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by basant
BTW - DId anyone hear Manish Chokhani on Taking Stocks today? |
Can you share please, what was it about...in brief!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 2:35pm
AMongst other thiongs he said that certain Media and Retail stocks could grow by as much as 20 times in the next 3-4 years.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 2:45pm
That's quite a statement made by Mr. Chokhani!
Basant jee, I'm getting a feeling that this name Manish shall be spelt as Money-ish. Look at this TED forum, lots of members share this first name....RJ's investment in PE space is also handled by one Manish.
Caveat: People with first name Manish should not become complacent as it does not guarantee success in investements!!
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 2:46pm
He could have meant TVToday too lol, or you felt he wa pointing at TV18 more so. Also sir, in retail do you think he pointed at Pantaloon or some other. Just curious?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 2:50pm
No pointers. Enam did a placement of 62,50,000 shares of http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135 -
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 2:56pm
Thanks, that should suffice Basant sir.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 4:12pm
Originally posted by basant
AMongst other thiongs he said that certain Media and Retail stocks could grow by as much as 20 times in the next 3-4 years. No pointers. Enam did a placement of 62,50,000 shares of http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135 - |
ENAM's website throws up some interesting names:
For Emerging Leaders look at this link:
http://www.enam.com/Content.aspx?ModID=969a5bf3-5c4f-4699-9848-c76866aae7b6&MenuID=D6D9509C-3179-42D3-9D8E-64B907BC6F7D - http://www.enam.com/Content.aspx?ModID=969a5bf3-5c4f-4699-9848-c76866aae7b6&MenuID=D6D9509C-3179-42D3-9D8E-64B907BC6F7D
For their Track record look here:
http://www.enam.com/Content.aspx?ModID=9e85b6b4-66ac-42cf-ae7e-472cd4f3e6a9&MenuID=D6D9509C-3179-42D3-9D8E-64B907BC6F7D - http://www.enam.com/Content.aspx?ModID=9e85b6b4-66ac-42cf-ae7e-472cd4f3e6a9&MenuID=D6D9509C-3179-42D3-9D8E-64B907BC6F7D
Their Private investor profile:
http://www.enam.com/Content.aspx?ModID=3fa0063d-4606-4c3a-8435-2364186ac13a&MenuID=D6D9509C-3179-42D3-9D8E-64B907BC6F7D - http://www.enam.com/Content.aspx?ModID=3fa0063d-4606-4c3a-8435-2364186ac13a&MenuID=D6D9509C-3179-42D3-9D8E-64B907BC6F7D
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 4:22pm
TV18 not in their list, though I see something like a Mukta Arts. Interesting!!
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Posted By: catchsudipto
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 5:58pm
Dear Sir,
I missed the show. What i can feel that he had made a significant remark "certain Media and Retail stocks could grow by as much as 20 times in the next 3-4 years" .
Now can we start a general discussion about his comments, and
share ours view on it. Which are the companies he wanted to
mention?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 7:17pm
As a policy these people (who make sense) never name companies and the others (who make nonsense) are always blaring from the roof tops.
With a certain degree of pride I can accept that I have been riding the best horse(s) - the jockey as you might call it the two "B's" - Bahl and Biyani since the start of the BULL run. Now I also tried to do my own little homework to find out what stocks is ENAM recommending now. But then I asked myself one question. What if some one emailed me a research report where I found the names of companies that ENAM is interested in these two sectors (retail, and media) went on like this
1) ZEE Tv 1) Shoppers Stop
2) NDTV 2) Reliance
3) TV Today
WOuld I sell of http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=135 - http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29 -
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 7:22pm
So these reports often acts as good sector selectors....
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 7:26pm
Yes and I am sure that good research houses do not mess up the stocks after getting it right for the sector. ANd surely ENAM would also be thinking on those lines.
Now if a sector will bloom even a layman could identify that the best stocks would be the sector leaders and that is hard to miss!!!
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 7:54pm
Basant sir, though I believe TV18 is definitely the leader in Business and General news segment, however I feel entertainment is where it needs to lead. NW18 is the only link I see in TV18 having any connection to "entertainment" and in this Zee is way ahead. What are your thoughts on TV18 and entertainment Basant sir? Like entertainment channels, not just movie business. Do you feel Bahl jee is thinking on entertainment as heavily as he is about its other media forays?
Asking, out of curiosity.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 9:38pm
Zee is only ONE channel right now after the Dish business gets demergeed. SO what happens if a KBC 3 takes over the market. Though I think Zee will do well the real trigger in media is CAS/DTH and yes NW18 is ideally positioned with multiple businesses but to put Zee ahead I am unable to decide just because we all saw what happened during 2000- 2005 with the Zee channel so risks are not diversified in Zee's business model.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2007 at 10:49pm
TV18 still lacks any serious entertainment-oriented channel! Do they have anything up their sleeve in this arena...forgeting CAS/DTH.
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 14/Jan/2007 at 11:29am
NDTV is also starting a new entertainment channel soon, they have hired the STAR TV CEO as its CEO, and also Karan Johar is going to be a partner in it. He will also be producing content for that channel.
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Posted By: catchsudipto
Date Posted: 14/Jan/2007 at 11:53am
But then I asked myself one question. What if some one emailed me
a research report where I found the names of companies that ENAM is
interested in these two sectors (retail, and media) went on like this
1) ZEE Tv 1) Shoppers Stop
2) NDTV 2) Reliance
3) TV Today
WOuld I sell of forum_posts.asp?TID=135 - - Pantaloon Retail and forum_posts.asp?TID=29 - - TV 18 to buy from this basket? The answer that I got was in the negative.
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Dear Sir,
You are absolute right. Conviction must develop within ourself not by
readin a specific report as peoples might differ on their view. Diff
peoples might have diff views and thats why market is so interesting.
Thanks
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 3:19pm
I heard Pratik Agarwal of ABN Amro say on Tv today that some news paper has reported that CAS would be implemented across India in 1 or 2 years. If that is so then the entire broadcasting sector would be heavily rerated. Since Pratik Agarwal stays in Mumbai this news could have been published in some Mumbai newspaper.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 4:32pm
I listened to the interview by some guy on CNBC too, dunno if it was this guy or not. Basant sir, I dont understand fully the math behind "CAS implemented across India in 1-2 years". What kind of revenue multiplication are we talking of it indeed happens, across India, in let's says even 3 years...specifically for TV18 that is.
Thanks in advance.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by omshivaya
I listened to the interview by some guy on CNBC too, dunno if it was this guy or not. Basant sir, I dont understand fully the math behind "CAS implemented across India in 1-2 years". What kind of revenue multiplication are we talking of it indeed happens, across India, in let's says even 3 years...specifically for TV18 that is.
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Shhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!. Tv18 revenue could grow by 200% and net profit by almost 8 times if CAS is implemented across the nation. This is on account of CAS only .
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Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 7:08pm
Shhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!. Tv18 revenue could grow by 200% and net profit by almost 8 times if CAS is implemented across the nation. This is on account of CAS only
Basant,
On foresight hence ,do you see Tv18 reaching a market cap of a large cap say approx 50,000 crores in the next 8-10 years
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 7:13pm
Originally posted by vip1
Shhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!. Tv18 revenue could grow by 200% and net profit by almost 8 times if CAS is implemented across the nation. This is on account of CAS only
Basant,
On foresight hence ,do you see Tv18 reaching a market cap of a large cap say approx 50,000 crores in the next 8-10 years |
IF CAS happens then why not?But that includes the internet properties as well and we should include that in that target market cap even after the Web18 business is hived off.
I think this could be happen (with CAS) sooner rather then later.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 15/Jan/2007 at 9:44pm
Ya...thats nice!
Btw, I have been making some changes to my portfolio. It shall take some 1-2 months to fully finish up with it, but after that I think Basant sir, my portfolio will be done for the short-term to medium-term at least....so wish me luck as my 'folio will really be risk-full after that! But thats the fun of it after all, aint it especially since my whole life's plans are dependent on the earnings from my 'folio...whoa what a rush and high...its better than mariguana!!! 
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 17/Jan/2007 at 7:45pm
CAS to be rolled out in more cities
Satisfied with the roll-out of CAS in notified areas of Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata, the government on Wednesday said the digital cable delivery system would be extended beyond the metros to other areas and a decision on this is expected soon.
"We are satisfied with the implementation of CAS in the notified areas and are looking to expand further as part of CAS Phase-2 and Phase-3," Information and Broadcasting Minister P R Dasmunsi said.
The minister said "urban metros" like Ahmedabad and Bhopal would be areas considered for the expansion of CAS, apart from remaining areas in Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata and Chennai. Satellite towns of Delhi such as Noida and Gurgaon would also be included in the new exercise.
"A comprehensive decision on this would be taken by the first week of February. Discussions on the matter are currently on," Dasmunsi said, denying reports of widespread shortage of set-top boxes, required to de-encrypt pay channels under CAS.
"There were 1-2 complaints but by-and-large, the situation was normal," he said.
After orders from the Delhi High Court, CAS was rolled out in notified areas of Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata from December 31, last year. The system is under implementation in Chennai since 2003. Dasmunsi said a total of 3.8 lakh STBs were purchased by subscribers in the metros - 1.65 lakh in Delhi, 1.78 lakh in Mumbai and 41,522 in Kolkata.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 9:20pm
I hear that the conversion in the three metros is close to 50% with CAS and DTH taken together. The new areas would also see brisk conversion. The World cup coming up in March/April should help the shareholders of broadcasting companies
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 18/Jan/2007 at 8:12am
Mukesh Ambani getting into TV channel space
MUMBAI:
Even as Rupert Murdoch’s Star TV fights a desperate battle to keep its
top people from leaving, an intriguing sub-plot is reportedly brewing
involving Reliance Industries’ Mukesh Ambani and Star Group’s CEO Peter
Mukerjea in lead roles.
If top sources are to be believed, Mukerjea could well consider
‘helping’ Ambani launch four new TV channels, two of which will be news
channels (English and Hindi respectively), one film-based and one
general entertainment - a close parallel to Star Plus.
Mukerjea has reportedly been asking a few very senior media and
marketing professionals to come on board, and has reportedly also been
in touch with professionals like Pratik Basu, former CEO of Buena Vista.
When contacted earlier by DNA Money about him starting a new channel, Mukerjea had stated that he remained very much with Star.
One theory doing the rounds is that Mukerjea will launch these
channels through a separate company, which would in time come under
Reliance Industries’ umbrella. Investments for this mega broadcasting
venture would come from the Mukesh Ambani camp, say sources. ``As is
known, Mukerjea’s contract with Star expires only in 2008, and he
cannot join competition till then. This may explain why Reliance’s
broadcasting venture may flag-off initially as a Peter M company or
co-held venture,’’ runs market comment.
That’s a lot of rhetoric up in the air. And the roulette wheel spins
back to: will he or won’t he? Will the carrots dangled by NewsCorp keep
Mukerjea back at Star? Or will the chance of striding out along with
India’s leading business magnate prove just too alluring for Mukerjea?
Meanwhile, what’s indisputable is that the two Ambani camps have
their sights actively set on the razzle-dazzle prospects of
entertainment. Investing in the launch of four new TV channels would
mark Mukesh Ambani’s debut in this sector. Sibling Anil Ambani’s ADAG
has already been making acquisitions in TV production and gaming under
the Adlabs banner, while also tuning into Big 92.7 FM radio.
Source: DNAindia.com
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Is there space for one more English and Hindi news channels?
And most likely he will be paying big bucks to pull out people from NDTV/TV18 as well. Interesting times ahead.
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Posted By: ramki830
Date Posted: 23/Jan/2007 at 11:12pm
I am wondering if the News TV Channel Sector is bit becomming like Indian Aviation Sector ... too many players trying to serve the same customer base.
This Sunday's Business World has a writeup on how the Indian Aviation is proving to be the worst business for Indian Enterprenuers.... Red Ink all around, and every business transaction starts at a loss.
I wonder if India's News Television Channels would soon get that "Dubious Distinction"
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Posted By: ramki830
Date Posted: 23/Jan/2007 at 11:14pm
Yes , I also felt this way.
What is good for investors may not be good for customers and vice versa.
So many Indian News TV Channels is sure to destroy value in NDTV, TV Today kind of stocks - but it will also mean unlimited Time Killing entertainment in the form of these News channel getting desperate to get viewership ratings..
Something like Shilpa Shetty Incident and more could be enacted here by some of the desperate TV News Channel. Yes, I wholly agree - Interesting time , for TV News Lovers.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 23/Jan/2007 at 11:42am
Emami group is launching a dedicated Art channel.This one was only left investment channel.wat r they going to show.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 24/Jan/2007 at 12:02pm
That Art channel will have its own set of TAUs:
to start with one Mr. Maqbool Fida Hussein!!!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Jan/2007 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by kulman
That Art channel will have its own set of TAUs:
to start with one Mr. Maqbool Fida Hussein!!! |
Hey that is the Dada not the Tau! BTW it would really need some art to start up an art channel!!!I think anyone who can guess the correct price of a painting will win a box of crayons with colour pencils and sharpners for free.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 24/Jan/2007 at 11:05pm
M F Hussain says he cannot afford his own painting. Art funds like Osians managed by Neville Tuli is generating big-bucks in auction in New York.The minimum investment was 10 lakhs.Infact.PE investor has bought some stake in his co. Indiatimes has started a dedicated site for Art. Art is booming.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 25/Jan/2007 at 10:40am
BasantJi... i think the price deserves a set of Art board as well.
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Posted By: ramki830
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2007 at 5:53pm
Friends - a related question ... Do any one of you think that the media and entertainment space is getting crowded with too many players? After all, there is only so much time that an average listener/viewer can spend listenting to FM/Viewing News etc. And there is nothing to suggest that the 10% GDP growth means people doubling their time spent in listening to FM or listening News.
Any thoughts?
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2007 at 9:27pm
And there is nothing to suggest that the 10% GDP growth means people doubling their time spent in listening to FM or listening News.
I liked this sentence, and with due permission from Ramki, would use it in other context on Mungerilal thread!!
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2007 at 10:40pm
Ramki, multiplex industry will get crowded in 2009 when everyone have expanded their wings.As for broadcasters like TV 18 and Zee, we see growth due to CAS and DTH,de-merger benefits..As for FM,they r in expansion phase,they will too get crowded in 2009...So till then its a buy!!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Jan/2007 at 10:08am
And there is nothing to suggest that the 10% GDP growth means people doubling their time spent in listening to FM or listening News.
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Excellent point. But it does mean that people will advertise more.As the service sector develops the share of advertising to GDP will increase from a present 0.4% to closer to 1%. And as Devesh mentioned CAS/DTH remain the big triggers for Tv broadcasting but not every company will make money through CAS/DTH. This is because only companies that can have sticky eyeballs can ask for money from viewers.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 28/Jan/2007 at 6:55am
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1076657 - Blackstone buys 26% in Eenadu
In one of the largest deals in the Indian media sector, US-based investment firm Blackstone will pick up 26% in the Hyderabad-based Eenadu group, owned by Ushodaya Enterprises Ltd (UEL), for $275 million. However, an official joint statement issued on Sunday merely said that Blackstone was expected to acquire a stake in UEL for $275 million, without quantifying the stake.
The Ushodaya board has approved an agreement where the Blackstone Group and its affiliates are expected to acquire a stake in the company and have representation on the board, the announcement said.
Ushodaya plans to raise a total of $465 million, out of which $275 million will be invested by Blackstone. The remaining $190 million will come from banks. The announcement did not elaborate on the terms or pricing of the deal. “The transaction is subject to regulatory approvals by the Foreign Investment Promotion Board and the ministry of information and broadcasting,” according to the joint statement.
Kotak Investment Banking was advisor to the transaction.
Ushodaya owns Eenadu newspaper, a leading newspaper brand in Andhra Pradesh, and several TV channels in Bengali, Gujarati, Telugu, and Marathi, among others. The parent company of UEL, the Ramoji Rao Group, owns Asia’s largest studio, Ramoji Film City.
In a written statement, UEL chairman Ramoji Rao said: “We were impressed with Blackstone’s disciplined and highly rigorous investment process and the ability to combine this emphasis with a deep and genuine respect for the promoter’s interests and desire to add value.”
Although the company could have opted for any other financing route, including an IPO, UEL chose Blackstone.
Rao said: “We believe that at this stage of our growth we have an opportunity to create significant value by leveraging Blackstone’s outstanding experience and track record in the global media sector,” Rao added.
The chairman and managing director of Blackstone Advisors India Pvt Ltd, Akhil Gupta, said: “We believe that the Indian media sector will be a key beneficiary of a secular trend in growth in personal consumption that is driving India’s economic expansion, which in turn will spur advertising growth.”
Of late, one has witnessed significant international action in the Indian media sector - print, television and radio - both in terms of financial and content tieups. Some of these include the Jagran group’s tieup with UK’s Independent, the Financial Times’ investment in Business Standard, Deccan Chronicle’s arrangement to print the International Herald Tribune, Times TV’s tieup with Reuters, and Hindustan Times with The Wall Street Journal for its new business newspaper.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Jan/2007 at 7:43am
Ushodaya owns Eenadu newspaper, a leading newspaper brand in Andhra Pradesh, and several TV channels in Bengali, Gujarati, Telugu, and Marathi, among others.
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The company operates these regional channels under E-TV. The attempt to pick up the broadcasters in the regional TV space is seeing some activity.Private Equity investments are always a harbinger of booming times (except during the dotcom). We never see any private equity in Telecom now but we see a lot of PE investments in Retailing and now Media. It was with this perspective (regional channel) that I had innitiated the discussion on http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=709 - Zee News
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2007 at 6:47am
I dont know if this is is the right place for this msg but it is interesting one from Bill Gates.
Internet to revolutionize TV in 5 years: Gates
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 1:16pm
I think I posted my views on this concept, somewhere in this forum in November. Here's the link:
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=403&KW=internet&PID=6058#6058 - http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=403&KW=internet&PID=6058#6058
Look for the 7th post on that page. I am no Bill Gates, but line of thinking is kinda similar. There are interesting views of other members too on that page.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 2:03pm
Thanks. I read that page slowly - again. In hindsight it looks like cash on the table!!!
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 2:10pm
can someone kindly post the contents of this link http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
Yahoo is blocked here at my office, and so i am unable to view it.
Effort would be greatly appreciated. 
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 2:20pm
ye lo investor ji:
DAVOS, Switzerland (Reuters) - The Internet is set to revolutionize television within five years, due to an explosion of online video content and the merging of PCs and TV sets,
"I'm stunned how people aren't seeing that with TV, in five years from now, people will laugh at what we've had," he told business leaders and politicians at the
The rise of high-speed Internet and the popularity of video sites like Google Inc.'s (Nasdaq: http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/finance/nm/bs_nm/storytext/davos_internet_tv_dc/21727170/*http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=goog&d=t - GOOG - http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/biz/nm/bs_nm/storytext/davos_internet_tv_dc/21727170/*http://biz.yahoo.com/n/g/goog.html - news ) YouTube has already led to a worldwide decline in the number hours spent by young people in front of a TV set.
In the years ahead, more and more viewers will hanker after the flexibility offered by online video and abandon conventional broadcast television, with its fixed program slots and advertisements that interrupt shows, Gates said.
"Certain things like elections or the Olympics really point out how TV is terrible. You have to wait for the guy to talk about the thing you care about or you miss the event and want to go back and see it," he said.
"Internet presentation of these things is vastly superior."
At the moment, watching video clips on a computer is a separate experience from watching sitcoms or documentaries on television.
But convergence is coming, posing new challenges for TV companies and advertisers.
"Because TV is moving into being delivered over the Internet -- and some of the big phone companies are building up the infrastructure for that -- you're going to have that experience all together," Gates said.
YouTube co-founder Chad Hurley said the impact on advertising would be profound, with the future promising far more targeted ads tailored to each viewer's profile.
"In the coming months we're going to do experiments to see how people interact with these ads to build an effective model that works for advertisers and works for users," he said.
Advertisers are already racing to adapt their strategies to the growing power of the Web, and more and more promotional cash is tipped to migrate from television to Web sites in future.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by investor
can someone kindly post the contents of this link http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
Yahoo is blocked here at my office, and so i am unable to view it.
Effort would be greatly appreciated. 
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investor ji, I have a favor to ask too. Can you please open "notepad" from your Windows desktop. Click Start --> Run --> Type Notepad and Press enter.
Then click on "Open File" in notepad and type this address in the file name: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
Can you please tell me what message it shows or whether the file opens or not?
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 3:09pm
Om, I tried what you mentioned, it just gives a javascript error saying invalid file name.
And BTW, you didnt have to describe in detail how to open a notepad... surely i know how to do that! i almost fell off my chair laughing after seeing your message
"Can you please open "notepad" from your Windows desktop. Click Start --> Run --> Type Notepad and Press enter. Then click on "Open File" in notepad and type this address in the file name:"
LOL!! 
Originally posted by omshivaya
investor ji, I have a favor to ask too. Can you please open "notepad" from your Windows desktop. Click Start --> Run --> Type Notepad and Press enter.
Then click on "Open File" in notepad and type this address in the file name: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
Can you please tell me what message it shows or whether the file opens or not?
After this I shall ask for one more thing, if you it's okay with you. I am just checking some stuff, out of curiosity that is all! Hope you dont mind! |
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 3:14pm
Well yes I thought you would know how to open notepad. But still I thought it would be better to describe it, just in case you didnt know...that way time is saved. As they say, better safe than sorry.
And yes, in notepad, after clicking File --> Open, in the File name type the address in full...within double quotes like this: news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - "http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc "
It opens the file for me here in notepad. I have Windows XP? Do you have XP or anything more advanced or Win98 or lower version?
Also, could you trying going to command prompt and typing this:
ping news.yahoo.com
Does it show "error or website not found" or does it show ping successful?
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 3:22pm
And try typing this in your browser:
http://68.142.194.21/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://68.142.194.21/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
Does it show the same error or something else?
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 5:00pm
I am also using XP, but it dosent matter on the OS - finally everything is through HTTP protocol - whether you go from the browser or notepad, after all, these are just applications - and our admin has blocked yahoo HTTP access.
pings go through successfully.
Originally posted by omshivaya
And yes, in notepad, after clicking File --> Open, in the File name type the address in full...within double quotes like this: news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - "http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc "
It opens the file for me here in notepad. I have Windows XP? Do you have XP or anything more advanced or Win98 or lower version?
Also, could you trying going to command prompt and typing this:
ping news.yahoo.com
Does it show "error or website not found" or does it show ping successful? |
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 5:04pm
How about the link http://68.142.194.21/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc - http://68.142.194.21/s/nm/20070127/bs_nm/davos_internet_tv_dc
Tried it?
Anyhow, there are other solutions to your problem. There are other links to the content you wanted. Here are some:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2088066,00.asp - http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2088066,00.asp
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=6671436&cat=3a8a80d6f705f8cc - http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=6671436&cat=3a8a80d6f705f8cc
http://bink.nu/Article9377.bink - http://bink.nu/Article9377.bink
http://news.com.com/Gates+Internet+to+revolutionize+TV+in+5+years/2100-1041_3-6154009.html - http://news.com.com/Gates+Internet+to+revolutionize+TV+in+5+years/2100-1041_3-6154009.html
So, does your company block these too?
If yes, then let me know and I shall give you some more links to try out.
BUT SINCE WE ALL AT TED ARE ORIGINAL THINKERS...WE GO STRAIGHT TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE. This is from where every website above and Yahoo too, picked up the news byte.
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2007-01-27T192938Z_01_L27910975_RTRUKOC_0_US-DAVOS-INTERNET-TV.xml - http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyid=2007-01-27T192938Z_01_L27910975_RTRUKOC_0_US-DAVOS-INTERNET-TV.xml
Hehehehehe, this is fun 
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 5:58pm
You guys are yourself our local Billus (Bill Gates)
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 7:26pm
u think tv18,Adlabs and Enil kinda stocks will be in the radar...coz we can accumalate a little more and Basantji are u taking a call when Network 18 lists...please advice...
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 7:36pm
And this guy Bill gates is right.....you tube s fantastic medium....imagine vidoes were u can store someone is cooking ...or some pickle..and the number of hits will be huge.More than Tv18 's moneycontrol.... i am working on similar lines........so it is a monster money making machine....Will tell all the Ted members..when things are set ...
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 7:39pm
Awww Basant sir 
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 8:34pm
The Name of the thread has been justified by the last few posts....I thankfully have no internet restrictions in the office.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 11:05pm
There's a strong buzz that NETIZEN of the millenium has also been nominated for SURFratna award!!
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 12:22pm
Originally posted by BubbleVision
The Name of the thread has been justified by the last few posts....I thankfully have no internet restrictions in the office. |
Didn't quite get this one Bubble ji...! Tried a lot, but missed the point. My mishhhhtaaaaake! 
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Posted By: sanjay3
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 1:09am
Gaming to rise 72% yearly
Sapna Agarwal in Pune |
BS |
January 30, 2007 | 12:30 IST
It's
in its infancy in the country, yet gaming is attracting a lot of
attention. With 54 per cent of the Indian population below 25, gaming
features as one of the predominant spending areas. Nasscom
states the Indian gaming industry, estimated to be around $48 million
(around Rs 210 crore) in 2006, is expected to cross $424 million
(around Rs 1,900 crore) by 2010 -- a compounded annual growth rate of
72 per cent. The mobile and console gaming markets jointly contribute
around 77 per cent of the total gaming market in India. Mobile
gaming, though, grew at only 40 per cent to become a $10 million
industry against the expectation of clocking $20 million by December
2006. In the console gaming market, serious gamers could get their hand
on Microsoft's Xbox360. Sony Playstation III is yet to enter India. "The
platform (mobile) will now get a push with localised content and
consumer focus from content providers like Mauj.com for their short
code service, thus roping-in casual gamers," reasons Sameer Bangara,
CEO, India Games. Clearly, then, it
was PC gaming that sustained the market in 2006 and industry players
are now gung ho about online gaming as a fast emerging new platform,
besides mobile gaming, which will introduce the casual gamers to the
new form of entertainment. Rohit
Sharma, COO, Zapak Digital Entertainment, says, "We have been getting
visitors on the portal for locations like Siliguri, Guntoor, Jabalpur,
Patiala, Jalandhar, Vizag and other such non-metro cities." Forming
a large part of the online gaming market are the massively multi-player
online (MMOGs) games. LevelUp MD, Venkat Mallik, says, "The Indian
market has not yet tipped off." India
Games too is increasing its gaming content library from present 170
titles to 300 titles and Microsoft is launching its Yuvraj Singh
Cricket World Cup 2007 game for the Xbox 360 besides more India-centric
titles, says Ashim Mathur, country manager Xbox 360, Microsoft. The
year will also witness, "greater involvement from global videogame
publishers and developers as well as Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo,
which will further boost the market," says an Electronics Arts official. URL for this article:
http://www.rediff.com///money/2007/jan/30gaming.htm
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 8:07am
Thanks om, for the links. Appreciate the effort!  BTW, it does not look like NW18 is going to list today, but have you decided on what to do with NW18 on listing?
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 9:41am
Nopes....Nothing decided as yet investor ji
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2007 at 9:49am
looks like NW18 didnt list today.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/Jan/2007 at 1:34pm
A recent Harris Interactive study found that about 42 percent of online adults in the United States said they have watched a YouTube video and 32 percent of frequent YouTube users said they watch less TV as a result.
Harris also reported that about 66 percent of YouTube users are blowing off other activities too. They say they spend more time on the video-sharing site to the detriment of visiting other Web sites, e-mailing, social networking, playing video games, watching DVDs and spending time with friends and family, as well.
The study also found that YouTube should think twice before it runs ads in front of its videos: Harris reported that 73 percent of frequent YouTube users say they would visit the site less if it started including short video ads before each clip
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 02/Feb/2007 at 6:58am
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1077688 - CAS puts TV media stocks on MFs’ kitty
ABN AMRO Mutual Fund has positioned its portfolios to include more of television media stocks.
The reason: it feels the implementation of conditional access system (CAS) should shore up the subscription revenues of television companies. Says Prateek Agrawal, vice-president and head (equities), ABN AMRO Asset Management (India): “After the metros, the system should expand to cover the whole country.”
More importantly, post-CAS, many multi-system operators (MSOs) should be able to improve their revenues just with zero increment in cost. This should push up EBIDT margins of players such as Zee. Here is why many other mutual funds are getting bullish on television media stocks.
Under CAS, already one lakh set top boxes have been installed. Expect this number to move up to two million by end-March 2007. Says Ashish Gupta, media analyst with K R Choksey Shares & Securities: “This growth should make the toplines of TV media firms to bulge.”
With 45% of the subscription going to the broadcaster, 30% to the MSO and 25% to the local cable operator, the dynamics of the industry is set to change.
Before CAS, cable operators were not declaring the number of connections fully and that should become soon a thing of the past. That means players such as Zee should post good revenues.
“Expect revenues of Zee to move up by 15-20% post-CAS,” says Gupta. Analysts predict that the media and entertainment sector as a whole will be able to post a compounded average growth of 15%.
Analysts expect that by fiscal 2009, CAS should cover the whole nation. Though valuations would differ from player to player, most analysts are placing a P/E multiple of 18 to 19 on Zee, considering the fact that it is diversified.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Feb/2007 at 9:42am
Analysts expect that by fiscal 2009, CAS should cover the whole nation.
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I doubt if it could happen so fast but if it does then
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Posted By: Siddhartha
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 1:53am
I am still confuse about CAS. Can Broadcasters really benefited after impliment of CAS in long term? After reading this report, I have confusion. I would like to know Tedys opinion.
http://www.businessstandard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=10&bKeyFlag=BO&autono=273763&chkFlg=
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 8:31am
Subscription revenues taking a hit due to CAS ??
Raju Rao, a south Mumbai cable operator, is having
sleepless nights. The introduction of Conditional Access System on
January 1 has more than halved his monthly income. Keeping him
company is the big boy in sport broadcasting, ESPN-Star Sports. Says R
C Venkateish, managing director of the sport channel, "Our subscription
revenues will be hit by 30 per cent as compared with the pre-CAS era,
even though the problem of cable operators under-declaring their income
will be over." Even Star, the country's leading satellite TV
channel, is worried. Says a senior executive on condition of anonymity,
"We've lost 1 to 1.5 per cent of revenues due to CAS." Asish
Kaul, vice-president, Zee group, predicts that subscription revenues,
which constitute 55 per cent of the channel's income, will drop by 30
to 35 per cent in the next three to four years. The mandatory
roll-out of CAS in Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata (it rolled out a year ago
in Chennai) may be bad news for cable operators and broadcasters for
the time being, but subscribers are not complaining. Thanks to an
order from the Telecom Regulatory Authority, which is also the
regulator for TV broadcasting, the subscription per channel is now down
to Rs 5. Thus, while households paid monthly subscriptions of
Rs 250-275 earlier, they now pay less than half that sum given that
they typically subscribe to 10 or 15 channels. For the sports bouquet,
this means an earning of Rs 10 for two channels, against Rs 35-37
earlier. Cable operators say the problem is compounded because
they do not sell enough set top boxes. In the first month, only
4,00,000 households bought set top boxes, which is only 20 per cent of
the 2 million households in the CAS areas of the three metros that can
access pay channels. Says Roop Sharma, a south Delhi cable
operator, "People are not ready to take boxes at all; they are happy
seeing free-to-air channels for which we get paid Rs 77 per month."
Source: Business Standard
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:25am
Hi Everyone,
In our country we dont have a very decent system of fighting against media reports and news which are speculative in nature and bear little links and at times are opposite to what the underlying facts are. Such news seem to originate more in the print media although I have very little idea whether the same is the case with the electronic media( meaning TV and not internet). You will often find news regarding possible buy-out of companies, merger realted talks, take over related talk, sale of assets related talks which appear in these reports which have priactically no connect whatsover with the actual facts. There are some instances which I can site.... I was extremely surprised when rumours spread that Oracle may not be buying the entire shres which would be tendered by I-flex shareholders for buy-back. Given the way MNCs work, they are more than willing to get rid of minority shareholders. I also remember, in case of india Foils, there was rumour that many companies were interested in acquiring that company. Dont know if that was the case as the way that stock has behaved after the appearance of that news seem to suggest that such report was totally baseless.Yesterday I was amazed to see the language with which the management of XPRO India seemed to deny the media report that came in the leading daily.I also remember there was once the news that HM was getting into manufacturing of small cars which was also subsequently denied by the management. There amy be numerous example of such baseless reporting which others may be aware of.
The purpose of this post is two-fold:
1.We would also like to be empowered sonvestors who would like to develop maturity regarding making analusis with the news they are fed.As such, the more we share about such instances, the more knowledgeable we may become regarding how to make use of common sense while making sense of whther the news is speculative in spirit or whether it bears any resemblance to the facts.
2.Would also like to know whether there is any provision in law which covers this aspect of baseless media reports realted to the world of finance or a mere corrigendum is sufficient?
Regards,
Vivek
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 4:04pm
Ok basant sir, am putting an off topic thought here:
TV18 AND NTWK18 are definitely going to grow by 40% y-o-y for next 3 years, right?
So, that takes the return on investment to: 1.4 X 1.4 X 1.4 = 2.7 (approximately)
Now, with CAS for next 3 years, let's say not the whole nation is covered. Once you mentioned that if that happens, the PAT in bottomline could grow by 8 times. Well, I am being conservative and taking revenue to grow by 3 times due to CAS, DTH etc.
So that makes it, 3 X 2.7 = 8.1 times
So, does 8 times the current investment in next 3 years seem far-fetched! Or have I been overoptimistic by taking bottomline growth due to CAS/DTH to be 3 times of current revenues??
Basant sir, what say?
And btw, Happy B'day again! Ek gift due raha from my side when and if we meet.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 5:00pm
Thanks you for your wishes. No it does not seem far fetched and is very well possible. SOme Media stocks like NDTV are trading at high multiples and there we could see a PE contraction but nevertheless the best case scenario does suggest that figure (7-8 times in 3 years).
Please see that not all companies can increase sales revenue by 40% (though the ones you mention can) still the growth is substantial and almost unparalleled.
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by basant
WHile looking at broadcasting stocks please buy the leader only. WHen in doubt stay out but buy nothing but the leader. This is because under the CAS regime the lower rung companies in the sector would not be able to charge from the customers to the extent that the leaders would be able to.In many cases they would have to remain free to air to survive.
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Basantjee,
Broadcasting stocks, leader's:
TV 18
NETWORK 18 (Holding in TV 18 & GBN)
GBN
ZEE NEWS
ZEE ENTERTAINMENT ENTERPRISES
SUN TV
How would you rank the above stocks in terms of preference (in terms of generating returns).
Also any other brodcasting stocks you will include for investment ?
Thanks
Equity Buff
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 8:07pm
I agree Basant sir. However, i was kind of perturbed by your words "best case scenario". Do you think that is the best case scenario for TV18 and/or NTWK18? What about 5 years for TV18 and NTWK18.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 8:12pm
Originally posted by Equity Buff
Originally posted by basant
WHile looking at broadcasting stocks please buy the leader only. WHen in doubt stay out but buy nothing but the leader. This is because under the CAS regime the lower rung companies in the sector would not be able to charge from the customers to the extent that the leaders would be able to.In many cases they would have to remain free to air to survive.
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Basantjee,
Broadcasting stocks, leader's:
TV 18
NETWORK 18 (Holding in TV 18 & GBN)
GBN
ZEE NEWS
ZEE ENTERTAINMENT ENTERPRISES
SUN TV
How would you rank the above stocks in terms of preference (in terms of generating returns).
Also any other brodcasting stocks you will include for investment ?
Thanks
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ALmost that order. The first three are important then we may take whatever direction we want to take I think if CAS/DTH is rolled in all these stocks could go through the sky the debate is which one by how much.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 8:17pm
Originally posted by omshivaya
I agree Basant sir. However, i was kind of perturbed by your words "best case scenario". Do you think that is the best case scenario for TV18 and/or NTWK18? What about 5 years for TV18 and NTWK18. |
When stocks go up there are no tops and when they fall there are no bottoms but we as investors are always blurred by the invisible line of doubt!!!
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 9:37pm
Basant jee....
Just imagine UM is asking this question to you on TV: "If I put a gun to your head, how would u invest Rs.100 in these TV media stocks with a long term view of 3~5 years......TV18, NW18, GBN, NDTV, ZEE-NEWS, ZEE TEL, SUN-TV, SAB, BALAJI, TV-TODAY?"
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by kulman
Basant jee....
Just imagine UM is asking this question to you on TV: "If I put a gun to your head, how would u invest Rs.100 in these TV media stocks with a long term view of 3~5 years......TV18, NW18, GBN, NDTV, ZEE-NEWS, ZEE TEL, SUN-TV, SAB, BALAJI, TV-TODAY?"
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1) Pray that the gun has no bullet.
2) I am not sure that after putting a gun he would ask such silly unpredictable questions. Rather he would ask for my demat account number and the internet trading password. 
On a serious note:
TV18
NW18/GBN (Tough to decide but NW has more value)
NDTV (speculative but that entertainment venture could create some magic apart from that nothing much here at current prices
Zee News- DOwnside capped in terms of market cap
ZEE Ent(has another spin off in Dish)
Sun TV
Whether it is a gun or a dagger I would not recommend the other ones.
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