PVR – The show must go on.
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Topic: PVR – The show must go on.
Posted By: basant
Subject: PVR – The show must go on.
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 10:33pm
PVR – The show must go on.
PVR (Rs 255) is another of our http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=23 - Buy what you see picks . The company is the largest multiplex cinema operator by number of screens engaged in a scorching growth drive and this should see the number of screens and seats more then tripling over the next 12-18 months.
PVR is also engaged into film distribution business through PVR Pictures (100% subsidiary). This company acquires and distributes international film. The distribution strategy revolves around taking up distributing rights for the territory where PVR cinemas are located. For the international business the company purchases the entire suite of distribution rights on an All India basis.
Of an estimated 12,900 active screens, over 95% are stand-alone, single screen theaters. Most of these would be converted into multiplexes over the next 4-5 years because of economic advantages to the exhibitor and the growth drivers for the multiplexes:
CMP |
Rs 255 |
Market Capitalization |
Rs 584 crores |
Screens seats as on July 2006 |
70 |
Screens In about 12-18 months |
249 |
Number of seats as on July 2006 |
17270 |
Number of seats In about 12-18 months |
64502 |
Exhibition business Industry Fy 05 |
Rs 6,136 crores |
Exhibition Business Fy 10 |
Rs 34,020 crores |
The top 5 players will contribute to 1000 multiplex screens |
I have not calculated the EPS and Revenue figures for the current year since it is very difficult to estimate the number of screens that the company would actually roll out for this year and the ones that could be spilling over to the next year. Motilal Oswal did at the time of the IPO have an EPS target of Rs 19.8 for Fy 08 but I would not look too much into that since this should be a broad 24 month call rather then a 6 month bet.
Total Revenues for the quarter ended June 2006, were Rs.42.89 crores, up 62% over the corresponding quarter ended June 2005. During the June quarter the company entertained 3.66 mn people at their cinemas compared to 2.12 mn during the corresponding quarter in previous year (up 72% Y-O-Y).
The average occupancy in the cinemas was 51% during the quarter ended June 2006.
The average ticket price was Rs.115 across the cinema circuit during the quarter ended June 2006 as compared to Rs.116 achieved during the corresponding quarter of previous year. The average ticket pricing at the existing cinemas grew by approximately 5% as compared to the corresponding quarter of the previous year.
One drawback with PVR’s business model is the tax exemption it receives (generally for the first five years) for its new cinema theatres. Once five years passes by these theaters are brought under the tax net so that could be a rolling process with new tax free cinemas being set up while the older ones coming under the tax net..From the shareholders point of view I would not be too perturbed by this provision.
Recommendations: The kind of growth the multiplex sector is about to witness over the next 4 years is unprecedented. Generally an investor can play the organized retail boom through the multiplex companies because the profile of the crowd that shop at the mall and the ones who visit these cinemas are very similar. The stock is a buy at the current price of Rs 255 and should deliver supernormal returns over the next 4-5 years incase the company’s plans are executed as per expectations.At this time the risk reward profile favourrs PVR CInema over http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100 -
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 12:24pm
Basant ji, what is the latest EPS figure you have for PVR, TTM maybe! I was wondering what kind of growth are you envisaging in EPS or sales? 4-5 or 10-15 times? Any random growh figures(tentative maybe)?
Thank you very much
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 8:54am
The company trades at a PE of mnore then 100 times trailing. Now for The june quarter they did a sales for Rs 42 crs (approx) - Thta makes it Rs 188 crores annualised - Generally the second half is better due to the festive and holidfay season. Capaity is being more then tripled over the next 12- 18 months. So in Fy 08 the sales should be more then Rs 500 crores or may be 3 times annualised current quarter.
PVR is not a stock which I could hold for ever the changing technology and the saturation levels are impeding threats but over the next 2 years I see sales tripling from current levels and the company should trades at a PE about 12-14 times (I am sticking my neck out here) FY 08.
The whole industry is growing 5 times in four years so market leaders should be far better then that.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 9:08am
Growth Invetsing is sometime s abit more then PE and EPS - In case there are benefits of EPS growth accruing over the next two years I would not be discouraging from buying a stock just because the PE is high. Now PVR makes a lot of money selling coke and popcorn at 3 times their MP they pay lower rents since they are treated as anchor stores - they get a cut out of parking charges that we pay at the malls so all of these would add up.
There are two things that drive traffic to a mall these days one is the dept store and the other is the multiplex everything else revolves around these two aspects.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 9:57am
There is no doubt that Multiplex business will see topline growth due to huge opportunities not only in metros, but Tier I/II cities/towns.
In my opinion, the bottomline growth however may not be in that proportion due to following risk factors:
- Large Capex requirements, the companies would need to raise debt.
- Rising real estate prices
- Key to profitability in this biz is pricing & occupancy rates. The average ticket price cannot be increased beyond a point. Due to intense competition, occupancy rates might come down which could create pricing pressures.
PVR is the largest player in film exhibition space.
I would also look at Adlabs which is more of an integrated player (production-processing, exhibition, distribution, radio etc). Their radio licenses are under its WOS: Reliance Unicom Ltd. The mgmt had proposed to demerge Radio biz. Could someone throw more light on demerger news/ratio etc? Maybe it could unlock some value?
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 10:04am
Dear Kulman,
Adlabs certainly looks interesting. I am told that they should also be starting over 50 Radio stations on a pan India basis. Basantjee, if you could come up with a write up on Adlabs it will be good.
Rgds.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 10:06am
See WHile I agree to all the concerns they are industry specific and I do not think that people would not want to watch movie just because ticket prices have gone from say Rs 115 to Rs 150. Look at the kind of money they charge for pop corn and coke if we can have people drive 10 Kms back and forth (Rs 100 on oil) then increase in cost can be transferred. But PVR is not a 5 year story for me. It is a 2-3 year play wehre we can make our decent cash and then quit.
As I said ANchor tennants get space at lower rates and PVR qualifies for that very well - they are the crowd pullers.
Adlabs has pumped in a lot of money and diluted equity so RoE will take long to improve also I like focussed playuers unless there is a case for spin off. And continuing with the strategy of buying the sector leader makes me favour PVR (for comfort) rather then Adlabs which is no doubt a good play also.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 10:10am
Finally as you say, this sector will get saturated faster then say retail or media so investors need to be sure footed (2-3 years) here.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 10:20am
Yes, PVR seems to be have an ability to pass on the price rise, earn from fringe areas like parking/coke-popcorn etc.
Regarding Adlabs, I read that demerger of Radio biz is already announced in the ratio of 2:1 (2 shares of Rel Unicom for every one Adlabs share). Besides, they recently acquired Siddharth Basu's Synergy Comm (which produced KBC, Mastermind etc) It is very difficult to value such biz which has more intagibles like IPR, program content etc.
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 01/Oct/2006 at 10:28am
sales tripling from current levels and the company should trades at a PE about 12-14 times (I am sticking my neck out here) FY 08.
Dear Basant,
On PVR, since by FY08 sales will triple and correspondigly EPS should also show a very healthy growth I am wondering why you are estimating a P/E of only 12 to 14 times FY 08 going forward. Are you deliberately being conservative ? Given that the company is trading at a P/E of over 100 times trailing currently this indiactes that the market is also expecting some serious growth going forward. Given this I think the stock could atleast trade at a P/E of 18 to 20 times FY 08 in a years time from now. What is your estimate of FY 08 EPS ?
Or is it beacuse of the saturation factor that you are estimating a P/E of 12 to 14 times FY 08 going forward?
Your views.
Thanks & Rgds.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 4:02pm
Equity Buff: I am not doing a detailed EPS analysis for this company since I am not aware about the specific dynamics of the multiplex business since they would change very fast (their share in car parking etc) nor do I know whether any of the properties could spill over to the next year since there could be delays. the co. has signed up the properties so I assume there would be no effect of real estate price increases ANd yes I am being conservative because when we do not do any detailed analysis it is better to be conservative.
Normally I would back myself to double my investment in 12-18 months in this stock.
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 7:19pm
Hi,
Just to add my views, Cinemax is coming with an IPO and the tax concessions are going to be there for 5 yrs, so next 5 yrs, this sector is going to be really a hit and lots of new entrants are looking to enter. BASANTJI, Can you throw some light on the competition as well.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 8:25pm
I think that these are new sectors the whole market about 13,000 screens in all (most of them single screen-conventional theatres) are waiting to be renovated into multiplexes so I would not worry about competition and more over the early mover in retail and multiplex will have a huge locational advantage. It is really important to have your cinema hall in the right areas. I would bet on PVR and http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100 -
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 9:02pm
Dear Basant,
An India Infoline report puts PVR's FY 08 EPS at Rs. 13. Even at a multiple of 20 times price expected in a years time will be Rs. 260. Do you think the EPS of Rs. 13 for FY 08 is too conservative an estimate?
Rgds.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 9:13pm
I am not too convinced about Indiainfoline's (have seen it in other cos) research. What is their sales target for Fy 08.
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 11:18pm
Basantjee,
PVR Sales Target for FY 08, Rs. 3856 Million as per India Infoline report.
Rgds.
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Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 11:24pm
Basantji,
I see you perfer PVR to INOX.
But INOX has a deal with Pantaloon. Pantaloon with its expansion
plans and Inox & Pantaloon cross selling services, Inox can
leverage on Pantaloon's aggressive expansion.
Can you please let us know why you choose PVR over INOX.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 11:32pm
See last quarter they did about Rs 42 crs. ANnualised that works to Rs 188 crs (should be more since screens are opening up each month). They are more then tripling screens (from 70 to 249 in 12-18 months) assuming the same occupancy level it works out to Rs 500 crores - even if some of the screens were to become operational in mid Fy08 also.
May be I am trying to make too much out of it but the simple arithemetic makes me think that they are probably missing something or pricing in an execution risk.
I think that this is rather better because if the market thinks of sales figure that is 30% lower then our estimates that is our margin of safety!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 11:40pm
But INOX has a deal with Pantaloon. Pantaloon with its expansion plans and Inox & Pantaloon cross selling services
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 12:01pm
Basantjee,
Just got my hands on a recent report from Equity Master pasted below. Will appreciate your views.
Thanks.
PVR V/s Inox: Battle for eyeballs
In the Indian entertainment and media industry, the concept of multiplex cinemas is growing at a fair clip. They have emerged as one of the fastest growing segments of the media industry. This growth in multiplexes is due to the organised retail boom and entertainment tax benefits for multiplex cinemas. Due to tremendous growth in this segment, large number of players is entering into this market. In this article, we compare the two major multiplex players in this sector – PVR Cinemas and Inox Leisure– and see where they stand on a relative basis.
PVR Cinemas is India's largest multiplex Cinema operator by number of screens. They established the first Multiplex Cinema in India, PVR Anupam, in Delhi in 1997 and the largest Multiplex Cinema in India, PVR Bangalore in 2004. As on date, it has 11 cinemas with a total of 47 screens in five A-class centres. Of these, PVR operates nine Multiplex Cinemas and two single-screen cinemas and manages one Multiplex Cinema with three screens. PVR was incorporated in April 1995 pursuant to a joint venture agreement between Priya Exhibitors Private and Village Roadshow, one of the largest non-US cinema exhibition companies in the world with more than 1,000 screens under operation. The latter's international experience enabled the company to begin its film exhibition business operations. PVR also operates a small film distribution business through its wholly owned subsidiary, PVR Pictures, which acquires and distributes Indian and international films.
INOX Leisure is primarily engaged in the exhibition of films. The company, after being incorporated in 1999, became a subsidiary of Gujarat Fluorochemicals Ltd. (GFL), as part of the latter's growth and diversification strategy. The company is engaged in the film exhibition business. It operates and manages a national chain of world-class multiplexes under the brand name, INOX. After opening its first multiplex in Pune in May 2002, it has since then reached a total base of 11 properties with 41 screens across the country. Further, it recently ventured into the films distribution business, albeit on a smaller scale. The company is planning to expand its capacity to 25 multiplexes and more than 90 screens.
Extensive Reach: Earlier PVR Cinemas was largely concentrated in the Northern parts of India, with Delhi and Haryana accounting for 78% of its total cinema seating capacity followed by Banglore (22%). But now the scenario seems to be changing. In FY06, Delhi and Haryana's contribution to total seating capacity fell to 60% of its total cinema seating capacity and Mumbai and other states emerged as new markets. The company is planning to establish further new cinemas and new screens across the country. (see chart adjacent).
On the other hand, INOX already has a more diversified presence with screens in Jaipur, Mumbai, Pune, Goa, Banglore and Kolkata. Further, it intends to set up multiplexes in Indore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Lucknow and many more places in the country.
With penetration in Tier 1 cities having increased considerably, both these player have now set their eyes on the Tier 2 cities. It remains to be seen who will be able to garner a larger share of these markets.
Business Mix: As seen from the charts below, both the companies earn their revenues from three major sources viz. sale of tickets, food and beverages and advertisement. However, their contribution to the topline of each company is in varying proportions. While ticketing accounted for 64% of PVR's revenues in FY05 and 68% in FY06, Inox had a slightly higher 71% of its revenues coming from ticketing in FY05. Break up of Inox's revenues for FY06 is however not available. Food, the next largest contributor accounted for 21% and 17% of PVR's and Inox's topline respectively in FY05. Advertisement revenues as a percentage of total revenues at 5% were much lower for Inox as compared to 13% for PVR.
If we compare the revenue segment of both the companies then we will observe that the revenue segment of Inox is growing at a faster speed as compare to the PVR Cinemas. During the period FY03 to FY06 total revenues of Inox had increased by a CAGR of 88% whereas that of PVR Cinemas had grown by a CAGR of 40%. Inox revenues are growing on account of economies of scale. The company is having an edge over local competition in accessing content. It is among the few players to establish a national presence at such an early phase.
On comparing these two companies on financial parameters, while Inox Leisure has grown revenues and net profits compounded rates of 88% and 482% during the period FY03 to FY06, the growth for PVR Cinemas has been 40% and 42% respectively. However, if one were to compare the profitability, Inox Leisure scores over PVR Cinemas. As seen from the adjacent chart, while EBIDTA margins for Inox Leisure have moved in a range of 29% to 34% during FY03 to FY06, the same for PVR Cinemas have declined from 17% to just over 15% during this period. Scenario on the net profit margins front is no different with Inox's margins at 16% are far better than the 5% margin that PVR earned during FY06.
Financial comparison (FY06)
(Rs m) |
PVR Cinemas |
Inox Lesiure |
Net Sales |
1,049 |
1,071 |
EBITDA |
159 |
360 |
EBITDA margins (%) |
15% |
34% |
Other Income |
43 |
20 |
Depreciation |
83 |
52 |
EBIT |
118 |
328 |
EBIT margins (%) |
11% |
31% |
Interest |
30.7 |
79 |
PBT |
87 |
249 |
Tax |
35 |
74 |
PAT |
53 |
175 |
Net profit margin(%) |
5% |
16% |
Annualised EPS (Rs) |
2.3 |
2.9 |
P/E |
106 |
56 |
At their respective current prices of Rs 243 and Rs 163, PVR Cinemas and Inox Leisure are trading at price to earnings multiples of 106 times and 56 times their FY06 earnings respectively. Despite its superior growth and better margins, Inox seems to be trading at a discount to PVR. Moreover, near term expansion plans for Inox seem to be greater than its rival thus leading to better visibility. Having said that, the industry is a high fixed cost industry and hence the kind of funding both the companies will utilise for their expansion plans is likely to decide who will emerge as a winner. As for now, Inox seems to have an edge over its rival.
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Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 12:15pm
Very Good article Equity Buff !
Basantji,
If we have to go by the above numbers INOX edges
slightly PVR in terms of Net Sales & PAT. Also the
growth rate seems higher for INOX than PVR. Still how can we consider
PVR a market leader ? Is it because it has more multiplexes than Inox?
Even so, with lesser multiplexes if INOX can deliver comparable or more
PAT does it not mean that INOX has a better business model than PVR?
Also seems like INOX is gaining market share and PVR is not gaining as
much.. So INOX could be ahead of game , unless PVR catches up with its
already existing broad base of multiplexes.
However as far as fuure expansion goes, I tend to differ from views of
this author, PVR also has equally agressive expansion plans compared to
INOX this point.
So still do you think PVR is a better bet than INOX ?
Regards,
Vivek
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Posted By: vivekkumar_in
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 4:58am
When it comes to risks in multiplexes story..
Is multiplexes story related to Retail Boom & Consumer Spending ?
Can high real estate prices affect new multiplex plans & make them
go for more Debt or Equity dilutions?
One good thing is DVD & pirated movies do not hamper the population going to cineplexes...
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2006 at 8:34am
It was a nice write up no doubt but just wanted to emphasize on the following points:
1) They were talking about growth from Fy 03-06 but PVR is set to grow over the next two years.
2) Movie rights etc are all part of a large fixed cost so obviously if http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100 - http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100 - http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100 -
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Posted By: shahji
Date Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 4:21pm
Basantji i read your view points about PVR and its very well analysed.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 04/Oct/2006 at 7:16pm
Thank you. Seems to be a good bet with limited downside risks and should create wealth for long term investors.
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2006 at 5:54pm
Karvy maintains `BUY` on PVR
Source: IRIS Exclusive (11 October 2006) Karvy maintained a `BUY` on PVR (CMP: Rs 250) with a target price of Rs 315.
The company commenced operations at 3 multiplexes in Q2FY07, of which two commenced operations in the last week of September. The company currently operates 20 multiplexes (76 screens) and is expected to commence operations at 6 more multiplexes in FY07. On account of slower than expected roll out of properties and delays in receipt of entertainment tax exemptions, Karvy has reduced the price target on the stock from Rs 333 to Rs 315.
The sales growth expected is 43.9% Y-o-Y, on account of the 7 new multiplexes which will reflect in Q2 FY07`s earnings. The operating margins are expected to decline by 15.2% as against 18.8% in Q2 FY06 and 16.4% in Q1 FY07. The EBIDTA margins are also expected to reduce for FY07 from 22.8% to 21.2% and for FY08, from 25.6% to 24%. This is on account of delay in receipt of entertainment tax exemptions as well as higher marketing expenses that the company has to incur on new multiplex openings.
Net profits of the company are expected to increase by 19.5% YoY and decrease by 23% QoQ. The QoQ decrease in net profits is due to lesser content flow and decrease in other income.
On account of delays in the mall development stage, the roll out of new multiplexes has been slower than the expectations. Besides, operations at the 2 Mumbai multiplexes have been lackluster.
Hence, the turnover is expected to reduce by 3.1% for FY07 and by 4% for FY08 to Rs 1805 million and Rs 3631.2 million respectively.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2006 at 7:08pm
Karvy should be congratulated. This is the first time I have seen then come up with a price target that is almost 25% higher then the current price. normally they cannot think beyond 10%-15% of the current price.
These delays are for one quarter or so but over a two year period everything will be set even if it spills over by some months. That is why this is a 2 year play according to me.
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Posted By: Crimsonarcher
Date Posted: 25/Oct/2006 at 8:58pm
Hello Basant sir,
I saw an interview of the Viacom chief Sumner M. Redstone.
He is a titan in the media business and he was of the view that theatres is the worst media business as they can only make money by raising rates and when they do that they compete with alternative mediums like TV, DVD, Internet etc.. plus they have high fixed costs and hence are much like the airlines business. What do you think?
I avoided PVR though they are growing purely for this reason. Also TV18 is definately an excellent candidate because their content is amazing. They have realised that 'content is king' and not the distribution channel.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Oct/2006 at 9:46pm
You are right volume growth is possible only through capex not so in the broadcasting business where the costs are fixed (anchor salaries, content etc) and additional revenue contributes directly to the bottomline. But in India PVR should do well for a couple of years let's say till 2009 then the charm is lost as the sector would get saturated too soon (4-6 years). In my posts also I have written somewhere that PVR is not the stock we can buy and hold for 5-10 years but we are just trying to take advantage of the huge growth over the next 36 months. Major part of the capex has already gone in and now the company is waiting for the cash flow to generate.
Can you post the full interview or put a link to that?
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 30/Nov/2006 at 11:13am
PVR's performance for this quarter maybe affected bcoz they r not releasing DHOOM2 so there will b revenue loss of approx.3 crore and their Goregaon,Mumbai multiplex is still not opened
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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 01/Dec/2006 at 2:31pm
adlabs appears to be more of a mix of the movie businesses multiplexes,
production and distrubution,content including synergy comm of kbc fame
animation-aka rajanikanth and gini jonny,radio thru reliance
unicom so it could be a good media play.recently they have started
metro adlabs inmumbai and planto start odeon adlabs in conoght place
delhi.also how big can tv on mobile become and also radio on mobile
adlabs is nicely placed to take adv of these two thru rel infocom.thus
adlabs is more of an integrated entertainment co.
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Posted By: surajmnair
Date Posted: 19/Dec/2006 at 10:33am
Basantji,
PVR is in the level of 230 rs.Dont you think its a good buy at this level, when we can have the india's lagest multiplex business with good future plans for a meagre mkt cap of cr 500+
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Dec/2006 at 10:38am
I am compelled to think in that direction really.Valuation seems reasonable considering their growth plans.
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 20/Dec/2006 at 3:03pm
but the thing is other players are coming in at cheap rates....so not really a great growth story...but again basantji can give the best answer
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Dec/2006 at 3:08pm
This is a 12-18 month story where people can double their money and then take it from there. Multiplex as someone mentioned on this forum is not a 5 year play.Till 2010 the new screen addition should drive high growth for this company.
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 20/Dec/2006 at 3:23pm
do u think pvr is better than adlabs???
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Dec/2006 at 3:26pm
I think so. But I have not researched Adlabs in detail since it is a kind ofa conglomerate and those type of companies typically get lower discounting compared to focused ones..
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 23/Dec/2006 at 11:24am
PVR: Hold Inox Leisure: Hold Shringar Cinemas: Buy |
Strong inflows from box office collections have also reduced the impact of a slower-than-expected rollout of theatre chains.
Three leading multiplex operators — Shringar Cinemas, PVR and Inox Leisure — have entered the listed space over the past two years. The promise of a superior experience relative to other entertainment options; the ability to charge higher admission rates than single-screen theatres; rapid expansion plans; and the onset of a "new and improved" Indian film industry that focuses on content, were factors that helped these companies trade at a premium valuation, post-listing, along the lines of retailing majors.
Post the correction in mid-caps, the stocks of Shringar Cinemas and PVR are now trading at levels closer to their offer price, even as Inox Leisure has fallen significantly from its earlier high.
While valuations have corrected, they remain on the high side. Although the demand for multiplexes from the cinema-going public shows no signs of weakening, problems in execution of expansion plans, coupled with the high risks associated with the business, could temper valuations. We analyse the performance of multiplexes in the post-offer period and provide an outlook for the stocks in the sector.
Robust revenue growth
Multiplex operators have recorded strong growth in revenues in the range of 40-60 per cent in the first half of FY-07, on the back of new multiplex additions. It has also been an exceptionally good year for the Indian film industry, which saw the release of a slew of successful films. High occupancy rates have persisted, allowing theatres to hike rates in the first few weeks of a film's release. Profit growth has outpaced sales growth, as overheads such as personnel and maintenance costs have been spread over a larger base.
The robust performance cannot eclipse the risk of sudden knocks in performance if the content suffers. Strong inflows from box office collections have, however, so far reduced the impact of a slower-than-expected rollout of theatre chains.
Problems in execution
The market has been factoring in a multi-fold expansion in properties across theatre chains. However, delays in receiving Government approvals and handover of properties from developers have slowed down the roll-out of theatres. A large portion of offer proceeds remain unutilised for most players, although this has not stopped Shringar Cinemas from raising foreign convertible debt of about Rs 90 crore to fund its expansion plans.
The stated expansion plans across the three contenders continue to be ambitious; companies expect to double and triple the number of screens they operate over the next two to three years. Screen additions are likely to bunch up in some quarters, which could skew the quarterly performance picture in a manner similar to what is being witnessed in the retail industry.
PVR appears to have managed a faster rollout than its peers and now appears to be fairly ahead of Inox Leisure when it comes to screen presence. This could be why it continues to trade at a premium to the other players.
Tussle with distributors
Scale is becoming increasingly important for multiplex operators. While a good box-office year has had cash registers ringing, distributors are not too happy with exhibitors walking away with a greater share of the profits. Multiplexes account for barely 5 per cent of the total screens in India but are estimated to rake in 30-40 per cent of box-office revenues every year, thanks to their ability to charge higher ticket rates.
Big banner productions such as Fanaa, Dhoom-2 and Baabul have had distributors demanding more favourable terms in the revenue-sharing agreements. Those who have succumbed to their pressure have seen pressure on margins. The distributor's share is one of the more significant expenses borne by operators, accounting for more than 20 per cent of revenues. Inox Leisure, for instance, has seen a rise of 700 basis points in distributor's share in the first half of FY-07.
Such instances are likely to crop up till multiplexes gain scale; operators now see merit in consolidating their presence in certain distributor territories to improve their bargaining power with distributors. They are also getting into distribution themselves to ensure supply of content for their exhibition business.
Stock view
Given that expansion plans were at an early stage, we had maintained that it would be difficult to pick one of the three as a superior exposure and had earlier recommended holding at least two of the three stocks. We remain positive on the sector and maintain our stance. Despite execution problems, we believe that the ramp up in revenues and earnings would be significant.
Among the three players, PVR is more expensively valued. Its larger scale and better execution capabilities appears to drive its premium valuation. Its foray into co-production for two films with Aamir Khan Productions, due for release in 2007, also appears promising. Higher share of theatres that carry tax benefits could also help scale up margins. However, given the stiff valuation, tolerance to poor quarterly performance would be low. Shareholders can hold the stock and investors can consider accumulation on declines.
While Inox Leisure is relatively more attractive, concerns stem from the steep decline in margins it has witnessed recently, on account of rising payout of entertainment tax and distributors' share. Inox has enjoyed higher-than-average operating margins thanks to its operating from locations that are exempt from tax. Sustaining this advantage might prove difficult. Retain holdings of the stock.
Shringar Cinemas' performance appears to be turning the corner, reversing losses in the first two quarters. Additional screens could result in a substantial improvement in revenues and earnings. Shringar's long experience in the distribution business will also be to its advantage once it gains scale. Execution, however, continues to be an issue as the company has been slow to roll out properties. Investors with an appetite for risk can consider exposure in the stock.
Source:BusinessLine
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 23/Dec/2006 at 11:56am
For those who are interested to learn indepth about the sector....there is a research paper* by FICCI & PwC titled "The Indian Entertainment and Media Industry - Unravelling the potential", which may be downloaded http://www.businessworld.in/APR1706/frames_pwc_2006.pdf - from this link (.pdf file size 2.8MB, 58 pages)
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 24/Dec/2006 at 1:11pm
Thanks that should be very helpful.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 26/Dec/2006 at 3:56pm
I understand that TN State Govt is planning some regulations as regards maximum ticket price on Multiplexes. The cap is likely to be Rs.50/- only.
It is a good news for the movie-goers but a bad news for the sector. Though could provide an opportunity to get into some quality stocks of the sector as they all would be beaten down.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Dec/2006 at 10:17pm
That is bizzare. Multiplexes will run without Ac now. There is nothing free in this world!!!
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Posted By: nikhil090
Date Posted: 27/Dec/2006 at 5:31pm
I have taken first exposure to PVR today mainly after losing out on TV18.
1. PVR has 52% as MF and FII holding with Fidelity, Oppenheimer etc holding good chunks.
2. They have bought one property in mumbai which they are developing through their subsidiary CR Retail mall.
3. One thing about the result is there.. the contribution of other income is pretty significant for the H1 2006 for them. If we remove other income from calculations, then there profits are actually flat as compared to last year.
What I am assuming here is that some major expenses would be front loaded (personnel, promotional costs) and should decrease once the frentic growth phase slows down.
Also the occupancy would increase over a period of time for the new multiplexes as it takes some time for the people to get to know about the new theatre etc.
Lets see if it moves up in the next 12-18 months.
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 3:05pm
M'rashtra offers tax relief to PVR.
PVR rose 0.59% to Rs 232, as its multiplexes at Latur and Aurangabad were granted exemption from entertainment tax for five years.
As many as 6,049 shares were traded in the counter on BSE.
The stock moved higher, amid alternate bouts of buying and selling, in the past few weeks. From Rs 227.65 on 21 December, the stock advanced to Rs 235.25 by 5 January 2007, as buying continued. Here, it slipped to Rs 230.70 on 9 January 2007, under profit-booking.
In September, PVR's multiplex at Indore, Madhya Pradesh, was also granted entertainment tax exemption for five years.
PVR Cinemas plans to add 43 more screens across India to its existing stable of 77 in the next 12 months. The chain will use Rs 150 crore, proceeds from its IPO last year, to finance expansion plans.
PVR aims to operate over 300 screens in the next 2-3 years. It has signed 19 new screens, and will add more to take its tally to 120. The 19 screens will be operational by April-end. The chain plans to sign another 43 screens by then, which will become operational in another five months.
PVR group company, PVR Pictures, which signed a two-film co-production deal with Aamir Khan Pictures (AKPL), is likely to launch them next year.
PVR had registered a net profit growth of 57%, to Rs 3.36 crore (Rs 2.14 crore) for Q2 September 2006. Net sales rose 51.60%, to Rs 43.50 crore (Rs 28.70 crore).
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 13/Feb/2007 at 12:36pm
Buy PVR; target of Rs 342: Brisc PCG
2007-02-12 11:48:20 Source : Moneycontrol.com
Broking house, Brisc PCG has recommended buy rating on http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/mediaentertainment/pvr/11/49/pricechartquote/marketprice/PVR - PVR with a price target of Rs 342.
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Brisc PCG report on PVR Cinema:
Strong results: We reduce estimates due to rescheduling of M-plex rollouts, but maintain Buy
"PVR has posted strong Q3FY07 results with a 64.2% YoY growth in revenues and a 133.8% increase in net profit. The growth is largely due to higher revenues from existing cinemas and from new multiplexes, which commenced operations during the year."
"PVR is currently quoting at 32.5x and 13.1x on FY07E and FY08E earnings based on a diluted equity base of Rs 228.8mn. We have lowered our target to Rs 342 (from Rs 370 earlier) to build in the deferred rollout of certain multiplexes. At this price, the company would trade at 21x on FY08E. BUY."
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 13/Feb/2007 at 1:25pm
PVR is also in talks with Red Bull,Dabur and REVITAL for snacks to the working executives in its special shows.Some nice innovation from PVR.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Feb/2007 at 2:26pm
I respect Nirav Sheth's(CEO of BRICS) view. Maybe because he is always doubtful on cyclicals
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Posted By: shahji
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2007 at 7:09pm
basantji any views on cinemax. it seems better than PVR as it is a old player and have their own property. also the market price is below the issue price.
your comments please.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2007 at 8:13pm
Let us ignore the market price being lower to issue price argument. I have not looked at Cinimex but am confident about Ajay Bijli's execution capabilities but since Cinimcax was being managed by ENAM it deserves a closer look.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2007 at 9:05pm
Cinemax Market Cap is 426cr while PVR Market Cap is 455cr.So PVR looks cheap .Cinemax has a wide presence in Mumbai.
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Posted By: India_Bull
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2007 at 1:03am
If PVR was a buy at 230-240 then its a steal now at 200 (looking at next 2 years )!!!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2007 at 8:58am
I would think so. Nothing has changed in the company and we have moved a little bit ahead towards FY08.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 1:01pm
Multiplex execution capabilities is not in the hands of management,its in the hands of developers.Meanwhile,cooling off of Real estate prices is a good news for PVR. Thats what worry the most to Ajay Bijli.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 1:43pm
Devesh you make a good point. We need to view the retailing companies benefitting that way also.
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Posted By: Gorden
Date Posted: 15/Feb/2007 at 1:44pm
Guys FYI..
Pvr Limited has informed the Exchange that "The Company has a state of the art Five screen multiplex at Juhu, V. P. D. Scheme, Ville Parle (W) Mumbai. The commercial operations of two screens of the Multiplex had already commenced with effect from April 5, 2006 pending the grant of licences for remaining three screens. The Company is pleased to inform that now the cinema operating licences in respect of the remaining Three (3) screens have also been granted and the all Five (5) screens shall become operational with effect from February 16, 2007 and the Multiplex is eligible for entertainment tax exemption under the Bombay Entertainment Duty Act, 1923. With the opening of these three (3) screens the total number of screens in operation would go upto 80."
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 16/Feb/2007 at 9:35pm
Multiplexes grapple for survival in small towns
Multiplex owners in Tier-II and Tier-III cities are grappling with low average price per ticket, low revenue from food and beverages (F&B) and lack of skilled staff. Yet, they remain bullish about the future of their business.
To bring down operating costs, multiplexes in cities like Nagpur, Guwahati, Nasik and Patiala have stripped down some of the luxuries that are common facilites in multiplexes in metros.
The average price that multiplexes charge in these cities is Rs 75 per ticket with the price ranging from anything between Rs 70 to100, so that they are more affordable (FE)
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 19/Feb/2007 at 6:24pm
Technical Analyst, http://markets.moneycontrol.com/news/expert/expert.php?exp=Prakash%20Gaba - Prakash Gaba is of the view that PVR has strong support around Rs 300 levels, somewhere around 225-230 levels, it’s a good place to bounce from these areas.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Feb/2007 at 10:24pm
Either this report is old or Tauji has gone nuts!!!
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 19/Feb/2007 at 10:37pm
Or maybe someone has just posted the message, without seeing the date it was "published".
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 19/Feb/2007 at 10:47pm
check the exact script from the site......
Zee News has target of Rs 58-60
2007-02-19 17:19:14 Source : Moneycontrol.com
Technical Analyst, http://markets.moneycontrol.com/news/expert/expert.php?exp=Prakash%20Gaba - Prakash Gaba is of the view that http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/mediaentertainment/zeenews/17/20/pricechartquote/marketprice/ZN - Zee News has target of Rs 58-60.
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Gaba told CNBC-TV18, "I like Zee News, wich I have in my portfolio. It has given a beautiful breakout today at around Rs 37 or so. I feel maybe a target of Rs 58-59-60 is on the card; it’s a matter of time. A good breakout like this normally should take it there."
"I like NDTV that should go to around 340 levels. PVR has strong support around Rs 300 levels, somewhere around 225-230 levels, it’s a good place to bounce from these areas. So, I feel that some of these stocks are looking good."
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Posted By: BULLSEYE
Date Posted: 20/Feb/2007 at 6:16pm
can som one can make me clear that almost 40 % of share are with promoters and 50 % with fii and mutual funds in pvr ltd.
so only 10% of shares will change hands n will that create demand supply scarcity like the one in GBN and what if if the large fii sells 10% of its share than price will fall very fast?
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 20/Feb/2007 at 6:32pm
Yet the share has come down from 250 levels to 197.
Basantjee what do you think about this ???
Should we average out at these levels ...we know long term it looks attractive ...please advice.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 20/Feb/2007 at 6:46pm
BULLSEYE....You are absolutely correct...
Lower the Floating stock of the company..Higher the Volatility in the stock price.
Speculators (and Brokers) love this kind of a situation.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 20/Feb/2007 at 10:24am
If something looks good at Rs 250 and with the same set of fundamentals it should look even better at Rs 200 (unless some one has a whiff of insider information)
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Posted By: BULLSEYE
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2007 at 12:26pm
PVR GETTING AT DISCOUNT AT RS 180 BIG SALE....
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2007 at 2:25pm
yes, seems to be getting better with prices falling on same set of fundamentals.
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Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2007 at 10:22am
It is going down and down. Is it because the PE what it was earlier commanding is not justifiable due to less EPS, delayed commissioning of new screens, high real estate prices and ofcourse competition.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2007 at 10:30am
The market assumes real estate prices to slacken a bit. Nothing apart from that has changed fundamentally that I know of.
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Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 1:21pm
Absolutely right. Revenues have gone up, EBITDA is up by 67%, PAT up by 83%, EPS (not annualised) is 3.28 compared to 2.47 and infact it was 2.62 for the last financial year.
There were 70 screens as on July'06. They have added 7 more by Dec'06. No. of footfalls is 3.63m for the quarter Vs 2m (3.66m during II qtr). The increase in the footfalls is mainly due to the addition of new malls. Excluding the new ones it is 6.7m vs 6.5m
Average occupancy is 45.5% vs 47.5%. If you exclude the new screens it is 51%
Av. ticket rate Rs.118 vs Rs.119/-. It is Rs.125/- excluding the new screens.
The total seating capacity is 20,902 as on Dec'06. Of the 77 screens only 24 have got ET exemptions i.e. 31.17%.
Only 6 screens are going to be added during this qtr. 44 more during next months upto Dec'07 out of which 21 have ET exemption.
Footfalls is increasing (albeit slowly), occupancy level, av.ticket price & Revenues viz, Ticket sales & Income {55%}, Food & Beverages {64%}, Advertisement & Promotions {82%}, Management Fee {22%} & Income from Surplus Land {394%} are all moving up.
Is there anything we don't know that the market know??
Curious observation: HSBC M/Fs are holding 4.63%. Is that is the reason they are offering discount when their card holder buys the tickets in PVR Cinemas????
They did not screen Dhoom 2 and Kabul Express.
It has started its downward journey from 25th of last month. Anything other than the fundamental???
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 1:48pm
so the estimates of eps of 19 for fy08 still stands firm?? it can be a bit here or there but from 2.19 to 2.39 to 2.6 to 3.28 ...eps has grown really well
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 1:51pm
basant ji the profits has gone up but the taxes have more than doubled in the last year...
old screens are coming under tax bracket
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 1:54pm
one more thing...you once said u will prefer pvr over inox but inox has shown much more consistency when it comes to eps growth...+ it is trading at a lower pe as compared to pvr...
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Posted By: CHINKI
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 2:43pm
Some observations about INOX:
QTR ENDED PERIOD ENDED
31.12.06 31.12.05 31.12.06 31.12.05
SALES 4283 2948 12331 8029
PBITDA 1013 825 3639 2901
PROFIT 483 344 2015 1316
EPS 0.8 0.72 3.35 2.74
SCREENS 44 32 44 32
FOOTFALLS2.5 1.55 7.1 4.6
No informations on no. of new screens expected during the present qtr as well as year 2007 and also no. of screens getting E.Tax exemptions.
Based on these results (I have posted about PVR in my earlier post), Basanthji, which one you prefer???
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 4:59pm
i see much more consistent growth in inox as compared to pvr...but pvr has much more aggressive plans....and adlabs looks even more attractive for next 2-3 years....
if i have to put my money then:
1. adlabs
2. inox
3. pvr
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Posted By: BULLSEYE
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 5:30pm
even if pvr can come with eps of 16 fy08 it is still attractive and one can take basket approach the ratio 70 to 30 for pvr to inox
adlabs is all in one having radio n movie screening
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 5:38pm
if it can then it ll be awesome..its eps rite now is close to 4....in 2 yrs eps quadrapling can take the stock to places....but adlabs is more of an integrated player + radio business might be spineed off...in hyderabad and b'lore they re no.1 in radio...45 more stations to start from may 07... so adlabs looks the best to me....then comes inox because on valuation basis...
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Posted By: BULLSEYE
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 5:44pm
but adlabs profit will start from fy 09 correct me if i m wrong
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Posted By: BULLSEYE
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 5:45pm
i mean profit from radio businees
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 5:55pm
Hi guy
With so much detail discussion on PVR, I am dead sure that all our late night (Fund managers) will jump on this stock ........
so (TED's) start accumalating before it shoots up ................
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 5:57pm
Hi guys
With so much detail discussion on PVR, I am dead sure that all our late night (Fund managers) will jump on this stock ........
so (TED's) start accumalating before it shoots up ................
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 6:33pm
92.7fm is going to break even by fy08 ... but the way indian companies re spinning off...it will unlock the real value ....+ adlabs has been signing the big stars..hrithik then akshay kumar (he eventually turned down the offer.) ... hrithik was signed for 35 crores for his next 3 films by adlabs...now by distributing the films alone they will make more money.... i mean to say adlabs is going in backward integration sort of things and it will benefit them in the longer run.... and the question is which stock to grab b4 it shoots up!!! pvr or inox or adlabs???
basant ji if i have to put my money in stocks out of these then which one will you recommend???
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 7:46pm
Adlabs has the nearest trigger then PVR finally Inox.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 8:03pm
I m just waiting for their collaboration with Aamir Khan roll out, then people will realise PVR.It will be sure shot Super Hit and whats more Production,Distribution and Exhibition all will contribute to bottomline. I bet PVR(183) can easily double from here in next 1 1/2 years.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 27/Feb/2007 at 8:51pm
Adlabs has not tied with John, Pooja Shetty has specifically stated this in ET. Adlabs is definitely a leader now bcoz they have got financial clout from ADAG.
Chinki i liked your explanation of Reliance operations..
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 28/Feb/2007 at 3:24pm
Service tax on commercial property rent negative for multiplexes
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 01/Mar/2007 at 11:40am
Budget 07 impact(some details):
Probably most pinching of the lot, is the commercial property rentals that will now fall under the service tax bracket. If this does not exclude the entertainment sector (we are still awaiting clarity on this), multiplexes may find themselves in a spot of trouble. Most of them have ambitious expansion plans to spread across the country and do not see ownership of property as the only route to setting up screens in different locations.
Source: http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k7/feb/feb368.htm - http://www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k7/feb/feb368.htm
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Mar/2007 at 11:44am
Unlike retail where you have to go out to shop multiplex owners have a formidable competition with home video. But we need to remember that this tax is cenvatable - it can be set off from other service taxes paid. the difference to margins. should not be more then 2%.
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Posted By: vip1
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 12:07pm
For 10 - 40 Rs Rentals you can watch a movie on CD/DVD , why spend 500-1000 Rs every time ?. The competition from the unorganized sector is unimaginable. With better and Biggerand getting cheaper LCD screens and Home theatre systems , this space better watch out!
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 12:18pm
i see no competition with home video bcoz movie CDs/DVDs will b available only after 1 month of movie being released.People go to multiplexes so that thay can enjoy better movie experience (sound, big screen,etc).
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 12:20pm
As I said this on the Pantaloon thread long time back, watching movies outside is goin to be more about the together experience(family or with friends) rather than just movie. Relaxing oytside and watching movie or boozing a bit and watching movie would be coupled more and more, depending on preferences.
Home Theatre is nowhere close to the outside experience. With the gen-next becoming more and more busy, this would be left as one of the get-together experiences alongwith mall-shopping.
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Posted By: tyler_durden
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 12:21pm
very true..only few people watch movies on pirated cds or dvds ... beacuse their quality is poor..number of scenes re cut... basant ji rightly said that its not just about watching movies.... its about going out and having a good time... in my company almost 70% of people watch new movie the day it is released either at pvr or some other multiplex... go to PVR priya in delhi or any pvr in mall in gurgaon you will find 60-70% occupancy...
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 12:43pm
India is still in the same era as that of US in 1980s. We shall move into the home theater scenario too(in a decent percentage term) when the current baby boomers move into their old age, some 40 years down the line.
First we have to go thru the 1980s US type scenario of outside experience.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 7:22pm
PVR paid Rs 13.11 cr as rental for the nine-months ended Dec 06.If a 12.24% service tax is levied , it would mean an additional outgo of Rs 1.60cr or 13.6% of its profit before tax of Rs 11.70cr.
Companies in the film exhibition are talking of increasing ticket prices to negate the impact of service tax. But that could potentially impact ticket sales hence, the increase in prices could be spread across revenue centres like food and beverages,etc.
(My view is they are already charging 40 bucks for a popcorn, if they increase that will mean 5-10 bucks more for a popcorn.I m not sure if that will lead to higher F&B sales.)
Inox and Cinemax will hurt less to a certain extent due to owned properties.
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Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 10:39pm
I have heard on CNBC today that the FM cannot impose service tax on commercial property rent . So it may be a long issue to get settled. Hope that he withdraws it.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 10:44pm
yes I saw that too and the argument does make some sense - Not sure about PC's argument though!
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 02/Mar/2007 at 11:44pm
Hey PC can beat that arguement easily with his own: He is the FM of India.
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Posted By: BULLSEYE
Date Posted: 03/Mar/2007 at 8:04pm
basantji can u tell me that which business model is better to start multiplex at rented premises or buying land 4r the same
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Posted By: chic_1978
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2007 at 7:22pm
Basantjee
Wots wrong with this stock, wr do you see the bottom fro here on .......
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2007 at 9:26pm
I wish I knew the bottoms!!!
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 07/Mar/2007 at 10:02am
well that so tough to see....but in this melt down. no one will see all this.
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