Sun Pharmaceuticals- A classic spin off play
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Topic: Sun Pharmaceuticals- A classic spin off play
Posted By: prosperity
Subject: Sun Pharmaceuticals- A classic spin off play
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 6:34pm
Mr. Basant,
Sunpharma is splitting its R&D as a separate venture ... Does it makes sense to sell the shares of the R&D venture and buy the main sun pharma shares ?
What the promotors do would be a good indicator ..
But wanted your opinion - specially coz you said 2 things -
A) we should have stronger business shares out of the demerged entities - so R&D is always a cost center and not a profit center .. hence it cannot outperform the main sunpharma company
B) the less the EPS of the demerged entity the more would be the gain for the other remaining demerged entities ... hence it applies to the situation in which a cost center like R&D of the business is getting demerged from its parent business..
Anyways, pls. do NOT get biased from my above A) and B) and give your independent opinion - may be for some reason that you know holding the demerged company can be good - an outperformer !
and if thatz the case, i don't know and hence seek ur opinion..
thanks for your time and effort !
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 10:24pm
Since I have no specific knowledge on Sun pharma I am providing my views as per the business:
1) The cost center (R&D) division would have been a drag on the company's overall EPS/RoE etc.
2) Now once the R&D dept. is http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=261 - spun off from the main business shoukd be rerated.
3) What would be important to know is where would the management fund the R&D division from. WOuld they list it and give shares to the existing shareholders? That looks unlikely because you cannot list a cost center.
4) If they do with (3) above then the main company shall be buying out or doing all research activities through the R&D Dept.
5) If they go in for a 100% subsidiary company on the R&D then this would not be a case of spin off: A http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=261 - spin off case would benefit shareholders when:
a) The division is listed a s a seperate company
b) Existing shareholders are given shares of thsi listed company.
please confirm the modus operandi in Sun Pharma?
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 11:12pm
Basantji,
They are listing shares of R&D business and demerger ratio is also known.. For every held share of sunpharma, exisiting shareholders would get 1 share of R&D business.. The new company is not a subsidiary of existing company...
All details are on: http://www.sunpharma.com/admin/news/upload/281.pdf - http://www.sunpharma.com/admin/news/upload/281.pdf
In one of your multibaggers post where you listed the stocks which has been multibaggers in past 10 years and listed from more than 10 years.. Sunpharma was one of them .. i have it since past 3 years ...
It has been a 6x multibagger for me on my initial investment AND
It has been a 4.5x multibagger for me on my all investments (average)
It still is attractive - because it is a LEADER in the FUTURE sectors
Neurology, Cardiology, etc etc.. all "lifestyle diseases"
No. 1 in India in speciality therapy areas like psychiatry, neurology, cardiology, among the top 3 companies in a total of 7 therapy areas
And the way it acquired Caraco of US .... lookout for a loss making company, exchange shares for giving medical technology, turnaround the company and in turn get the ownership of that company - SUPERB !
Anyways, i am getting carried away .. so stopping now !
Thanx as always
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:11pm
Went through this. Seems to be a classic case of a http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=261 - spin off which should add significant value.You have been following the company for some time and could also add in case of declines/panic.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:33pm
Yes Basantji,
Adding is difficult because it has run way above my cost price
Since its already overweight #2, my asset allocation would get skewed if i invest more in this company...
And its a slow steady mover ... zero debt .. warren buffet company ..
But the real question on this that i had was/in -
After the spinoff, should i sell the demerged R&D business and buy the mainstream business with the same shares ?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:38pm
Shall do a write up on this in the morning.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 12:02pm
Sun Pharmaceuticals- A classic spin off play.
Sun Pharmaceuticals (CMP Rs 923) is one of the best plays in the Indian pharmaceutical space. While the company has lined up a slew of R&D Products it has not let these developments disturb its over all profitability. Over the past couple of years Sun has focused on niche and chronic therapies and has tried to put down a controlled cost structure. Recently it did US acquisitions which has fared out quite well.
The company has announced the spin off the R&D division as a separately listed company with some cash and assets from the parent. Shareholders of Sun Pharma will be issued shares in the R&D company on pro rata basis..
Sun has a pipeline of more then 50 ANDAs pending approval, including Para IV filings, injectibles and complex products. This pipeline is equivalent to those of Ranbaxy and Dr. Reddy’s Sun plans to file about 30 ANDAs each year in the future.
Financial Synopsis |
CMP |
Rs 928.20 |
Market Cap |
Rs 17,256 |
Book value |
Rs 78.80 |
Sales Fy 06 |
Rs 1742.92 crores |
EPS Fy 06 |
Rs 24.06 |
PE |
39 times |
RoE |
35.93% |
Operating margin |
31.02% |
Potential add on to Operating margin after the R & D spin off |
10-11% |
Will the profits grow by all the money saved on R&D Spend |
No, there will be a loss of tax shield and also increases in generic research spend. |
The company has increased its sale by 23.33% CAGR over the last 4 years to Rs 1742.92 crores from Rs 753.10 crores. Net profit during the same period has grown by 28.11% CAGR to Rs 461.29 crores from Rs 171.20 crores. During the same period the operating profit margin has expanded to 31.02% from 27.66%
The stock trades at a current year PE of about 32 times which is high. But PE is surely not the best way to analyze Pharmaceutical companies The R&D hive off should increase margins and net profit by an additional 20%.
The management recently said that the first phase of its Project at Sikkim first phase will be operational by March 2007 and the second phase should be up by 2009. This 300 crore units capacity should increase overall capacity by 20 per cent
Over the next few years SUN Pharma should expand its global operations and bring it upto 50 per cent of total sales.
The demerger of the R&D division will create spin off benefits and shall lead to a rerating of the stock.
What should investors do post the demerger?
1) Post demerger the R&D company stock could be hammered down. This is because it would have no earnings and investors would look at PE and EPS thus forgetting the long term viability of the stock.
2) The main business will see a rerating. The incremental profit that would arise because of the decrease in R&D spending will ensure that the EPS grows at a higher level then what is generally expected.
3) The fact that the company is hiving off its R&D business into a separate entity means that the company expects revenues to flow into its R&D business very soon.
Generally it would make sense to look at valuations and in case the market gives the R&D Company a thumbs down smart investors should move in and buy this focused research play for the long term. If the market values this R&D on expected lines then also it deserves to be held because the real kicker would come in from the R&D Company rather then the main business. At present the stock does look fairly valued and but the value unlocking could come from the spin off only.
Source: Company feedback and media reports
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 2:51pm
Prosperity,
Since you have been holding SUN PHARMA for so long, then i assume you also the 6% Cumulative Preference Shares(of FV Re: 10) which they gave as bonus shares a few years ago.
If so, can you tell me this: They have now opened a second redemption period for those shares from October 1st 2006 to December 31st 2006. I am holding 240 cumulative pref shares. If i submit them in this open offer, what is the price i will get for it.
Please do let me know. Thanks.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 5:49pm
Investor,
I just missed getting the preference shares by 1 month. I first entered into SunPharma in December 2003 ..
I also wish i had the preference shares just as you have 
thanx
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 12:23pm
hI Prosperity,
A small correction in my prev post - the Pref shares are of FV Re: 1 each.
Can you or Basant help me out here - what is the meaning of
6% Cumulative Redeemable Preference Shares ??
If i submit now in open offer, do i get just the FV of Re:1 for every share that i have(240) or do i get 6% of the CMP or ...... i have no idea since this is the first time experience with such kind of shares....
...SOMEONE PLEASE HELP!!
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Posted By: patnitin
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 12:51pm
Sorry! I think this post must have been in another section!But I don't know how to move it!
Hi Basantji,
Recently read a report that Kotak mahindra bank is going to demerge its securities business from its parent ,Will it unlock value and benefit kotak mahindra bank share holders?
I would like your valuable input pls.
Nitin
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Sep/2006 at 12:52pm
This probably means you would get interest for all these years and your money back at face value.
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Posted By: vishal.sahay
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2007 at 2:18pm
Basantjee could you please tell me is it advisable to invest in Sun Pharma at current levels for longer term investment (2-3 years)? or there are other pharma bets better than sun pharma? I asked u specifically about other pharma bets, as Sun pharma is demerging its R&D divison may be some other big players like Reddy or Ranbaxy may be in future demerge its R&D divison which will also rerate the other stocks. So if you could help me about this it would be of great help.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2007 at 6:57pm
I do not understand pharma companies in detail but going by financials and past records SUn Pharma is a must have for the portfolio as part of the pharma sector weightage.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 07/Jan/2007 at 12:26pm
This is a LONGEST TERM stock that i believe in ...
"Lifestyle Diseases" like ones related to heart, mind, etc. would increase day by day and year by year ...
And Sun Pharma is THE LEADER in that ..
The Management is VERY GOOD !
Mr. Dilip Sanghvi has delivered in past soooo many years ..
This is ONE company which does not make soooo many noises and sounds but just focuses on delivering ...
Zero Debt Company
I believe this to be Warren Buffet Company because ...
1) The advantage this company has is - The growth driver is permanent and more needed 5-10-15-20-25 years down the line ... Since this is TOP LEVEL pharma company, IP (Intellectual Property) is the growth driver !! And as i said above, Lifestyle/stress diseases would become more prevalent with time.
2) The time to sell this is NEVER ..... (unlike TV18, Educomp, etc....)
And sample this: For past many many quarters (>16), the growth of Sun has ALWAYS been more than the pharma industry
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 6:23pm
hi prosperity,Can u help me with the date that they have fixed for the R&D Demerger.(Record date).
Thanks 
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Posted By: ankit18
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 9:46pm
Could someone give a ballpark figure as to what the valuation of Sun Pharma and Sun Pharma R&D could be after demerger.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 08/Jan/2007 at 10:03pm
Prosperity ji, can you please show the Pharma top pick in Buffett's portfolio. I somehow dont have that info. It would be interesting to find out this fact!
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Posted By: s_praharaj
Date Posted: 10/Jan/2007 at 1:31pm
Sun Pharma is the excellent pick in the Pharma space. It is constantly showing a CAGR of 35% for the last 4 years. It has a simultaneous focus in two main areas.
In Domestic sector it has a clear focus on the chronic disease segment and speciality products.
In International sector it is a aggressive player with a number of ANDA (Abbreviated New Drug Applications) filing in US. Sun has filed 27 products in US already they have a lot of products in the pipeline and they hope to have 100 products by 2009. They operate independently as well as through Caraco, its 100% Subsidiary in US. In the International scene they have complex products like Nasal Sprays, Injectibles which will be difficult to imitate immly. It has also exports in niche segments such as anti cancer, seroids, hormones et, which are very complex products and will wardoff competition to some extent.
Recently they have also acquired facilities in Ohio, Hungary and New Jersy where entry barriers are also quite high.and there will be substantial revenue contributions from these acquisitions.
As it is already known, they are demerging the R&D business which will unlock values.The proposed demerger may happen in March 2007.
Apart from the domestic and international sales they expect growth also from non-US formulations and bulk exports.
As regards the financials , it shows a constant increase in sales. The ROE and ROCE also is very comfortable. Constant increase in sales is a very healthy sign for any company.
Year Sales in Cr ROE ROCE PAT margin
Fy-2005 1143.3 40.5 16.6 34.7
Fy-2006 1594.5 41.4 12.5 36.0
FY-2007 Estimated 2040.4 37.6 15.2 35.3
It has not liquidated its equity in the last two years. The promoters shareholding is 71%. FII holding is 16%. Shares with Public is only 7%.
Since 15% of my portfolio is having pharmaceutical shares, I constantly keep a watch on the developments
In Pharmaceutical Industry. In my opinion out of the four leading players in the Indian Pharmaceutical scene, (Cipla, DRL,Ranbaxy and Sun), Sun Pharma is best placed among all. Though in the upside
Ranbaxy may go to a higher level percentage wise over Sun Pharma, the latter is the best one to go for in Pharmaceutical sector.
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Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 06/Apr/2007 at 2:59pm
Sun Pharma to issue 1:1 shares in spin off unit
MUMBAI, APRIL 5: Sun Pharmaceuticals Industries Ltd said on Thursday its shareholders would get one share of Sun Pharma Advanced Research Co, which is being spun off, for every share they held in Sun Pharmeceuticals.
It has fixed April 30 as the record date for this purpose, it said in a statement.
The scheme to spin off and transfer the innovative research and development business to Sun Pharma was approved by the Gujarat High Court on March 1, it said.
financialexpress
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 8:58pm
Generally it would make sense to look at valuations (after spin off)
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Basantji,
Can you PLEASE look at the 2 demerged entities and the valuations that they are getting and let us know if we should switch to one of them ....
I am bullish on Sun Pharma as a whole, but unable to decide if i should continue to hold both or switch to one of them (at current valuations)
Thanx !!
Originally posted by basant
Sun Pharmaceuticals- A classic spin off play.
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What should investors do post the demerger?
1) Post demerger the R&D company stock could be hammered down. This is because it would have no earnings and investors would look at PE and EPS thus forgetting the long term viability of the stock.
2) The main business will see a rerating. The incremental profit that would arise because of the decrease in R&D spending will ensure that the EPS grows at a higher level then what is generally expected.
3) The fact that the company is hiving off its R&D business into a separate entity means that the company expects revenues to flow into its R&D business very soon.
Generally it would make sense to look at valuations and in case the market gives the R&D Company a thumbs down smart investors should move in and buy this focused research play for the long term. If the market values this R&D on expected lines then also it deserves to be held because the real kicker would come in from the R&D Company rather then the main business. At present the stock does look fairly valued and but the value unlocking could come from the spin off only.
Source: Company feedback and media reports |
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 9:36pm
While i wait for Basantji's reply on this... I found some useful insight which i wanted to share: http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/news/why-is-nicholas-piramal-hiving-off-its-rd-unit/20/58/300004 - http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/news/why-is-nicholas-piramal-hiving-off-its-rd-unit/20/58/300004
Originally posted by prosperity
Generally it would make sense to look at valuations (after spin off)
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Basantji,
Can you PLEASE look at the 2 demerged entities and the valuations that they are getting and let us know if we should switch to one of them ....
I am bullish on Sun Pharma as a whole, but unable to decide if i should continue to hold both or switch to one of them (at current valuations)
Thanx !!
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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 09/Jun/2008 at 12:11pm
This looks like a best performing blue chip stock in India.
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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 09/Jun/2008 at 2:38pm
Perfect long term play.
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Posted By: pinaki
Date Posted: 09/Jun/2008 at 4:42pm
Together with Glenmark which is also going great guns, Sun Pharma could light up any portfolio inspite of the gloomy and cloudy scenario..
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Posted By: Subhankar
Date Posted: 13/Jan/2009 at 11:45am
I've been tracking Sun Pharma for a while and am impressed that even in this bear market it seems to be holding its own.
However, the Taro acquisition overhang has prevented me from taking a position. What if the acquisition falls through?
Can some one from this group enlighten me about the likely price range where Sun Pharma could be a definite buy with a sufficient margin of safety?
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 14/Jan/2009 at 11:42am
well its not breaking 990 for a while, the safe place to buy will be in 1020-1030 range. it has become more of a trading play. well i trade a lot in SUN.
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Posted By: Subhankar
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2009 at 3:39pm
Right time to enter Sun Pharma, or wait for it to test the low at 980?
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Posted By: Ashutosh
Date Posted: 31/May/2009 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by Subhankar
Right time to enter Sun Pharma, or wait for it to test the low at 980?
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Hi All,
I was going through the thread and wanted to know your views.
I entered sun-pharma at 1300 and only 2 shares....is it good to increase holding here at current scenario.
I also have marksans pharma but since I don;t know much about that company .I would rather switch to sun pharma
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 31/May/2009 at 5:19pm
Good companies always bounce back.
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Posted By: Ashutosh
Date Posted: 31/May/2009 at 5:52pm
Originally posted by basant
Good companies always bounce back. |
Thx basant Sir,
This question may not be relevant here but wanted to know from you that in coming 5 years for the investment that I want to do now ,What could be sector wise priorities if I want to allocate at the first place
in following sectors and ideally by what %
Chemicals/Power/Capital Goods/Real Estate/Pharma/Cement/Oil/Hotel/Telecom
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 31/May/2009 at 8:14pm
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/05/31/stories/2009053150630200.htm - Sun Pharma 4th quarter net falls by 45%
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 29/Jun/2009 at 6:28pm
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/caraco-shock-sun-pharma-to-revise-guidance/362339/ - Sun pharma to revise guidance post Caracao shock.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 29/Jun/2009 at 6:32pm
Sun Pharma...one of the most widely respected and held pharma company has dropped rougly 18% in the last 1 week based on the revelations above.
This one will be an interesting story to follow.
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Posted By: venkat
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2009 at 11:53am
The company in the first quarter has achieved 10% of the turnover and profits of the last year. As with any stocks like these, the speculators ramp up the stocks and bid it to unsustainable levels. Lupin is a better candidate this year.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 03/Oct/2009 at 12:10pm
Hi Venkat,
Any idea if this drop is permanent in nature?
I noticed (from moneycontrol.com) that operating profits was similarly low in jun 08 quarter but it bounced back after that.
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Posted By: Alok Bhola
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2009 at 9:12am
http://www.livemint.com/2009/12/03224333/Believing-Taro-Pharmaceutical.html?h=A2 - Believing Taro Pharma's results requires a leap of faith
I find it very strange that Nasdaq does not mandate listed companies to at least publish annual reports / audited annual accounts.
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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 17/Jul/2011 at 4:03pm
consistent comapnayy with a grea8 business model performing well above the sector growth ..
cheerss to sun pharma ..
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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 08/Aug/2011 at 11:31am
corrected from 530 to 470 .
idealtime to start nibbling ..
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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2011 at 1:59am
Seems US ANDA APPLICATION denied against sun pharma for one of the applications !!
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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 22/Sep/2011 at 10:23pm
AGM
Sun Pharmaceuticals
Expects to file 25 ANDAs for FY'12
Sun Pharmaceuticals recently held its 19th Annual General Meeting (AGM). The following are the extracts from the chairman's speech.
Key highlights:
Sun Pharmaceuticals reported 34% growth in net profit to Rs 1816.06 crore for the year ended March 2011, driven by 43% growth in net sales to Rs 5721.43 crore. The Strong growth in sales is primarily on account of Taro financials that have been consolidated for a little over 6 months in FY11 financials though not included in corresponding periods of the previous year.
Revenues from the International operations grew by 55% to Rs 3311.86 crore for the year ended March 2011 and accounted 57% to the total sales. Further, Formulations business accounts 91% of total sales.
The Company successfully completed acquisition of Taro Pharma by winning the long-drawn legal struggle (aprox 3 year) and acquired majority interest in Taro Pharmaceutical. Further, it is working towards sustainable performance improvement. Moreover, Taro had reported sales of USD 393 million and profit of USD 64 million for FY 10. Interestingly, the acquisition brings a footprint in Canada, Israel and some other parts of Europe.
It has established JV with the Merck in April 2011. Considering the market potential offered by emerging markets and the product / technology depth of its product offerings, the strategic partnership is expected to take differentiated, complex, innovative products to these emerging markets.
It also plans to Co-market diabetes drugs sitagliptin and sitagliptin plus metformin in India. Under the partnership arrangement, Sun Pharmaceutical Industries will have the rights to market, promote and distribute sitagliptin and sitagliptin plus metformin only in India under different brand names.
India and the US are its highest priority markets, together accounted for 80% of total sales. It continues to build its presence in these two markets and expected to strengthen its approach for emerging international markets to the next level.
Its domestic formulation business was at Rs. 2380 crores for the year ended March 2011. Its domestic market share as per AWACS is at 4.3% for March 2011 MAT, with 21% growth over the previous year. Further, It continues to build market leadership across specialties such as psychiatry neurology, cardiology, ophthalmology, diabetology etc.
It continued to introduce products that offer patient advantages, such as. Latoprost RT, Myone Depot PFS, Gonarelix prefilled, Zomibet, etc.
The Company put in place an interesting product offering for the US generic space even as it begins streamlining operations at Taro. Interestingly, Taro adds 127 ANDA to its product basket, mainly in the dermatological space, and excellent facilities in Canada and Israel.
It has brought 18 new ANDAs to market, and filed 25 more for the year ended March 2011 and taking the total pending approval to 152.
In June 2011, it completed privatizing Caraco and closely working with consultants to comply with the USFDA audit requirements.
The R&D Expenditure was at Rs. 331 crores or 5.8% of net sales on generic R&D for the year ended March 2011. It has scaled up 28 APIs, developed and filed 25 ANDAs, and brought 38 products to India. Overall (including Taro), it has filed 549 patents of which 248 have been approved.
It expects the revenues to grow by 28-30% growth for FY12. Further, it expects to file 25 ANDAs in the US.
The Company continues to be excited about growth opportunities in rest of the world branded business, which currently accounts for 11% of turnover. It recent joint venture with Merck for innovative branded generics in ex- India emerging markets is expected to fortify this part of business.
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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 22/Oct/2011 at 9:29pm
SUN PHARMA , THE EVERGREEN BUSINESS .. ..
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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 30/Nov/2011 at 4:36pm
sold 30% sun phara @ 525 .. had bought it at 270 odd levels ..
hope to buy bac at 460 - 470 levels . .
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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 09/Feb/2012 at 1:53pm
I love this stock more than my wife :-D
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Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 09/Feb/2012 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by baba
I love this stock more than my wife :-D
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Lets hope your wife does not visit TED.
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Posted By: somu0915
Date Posted: 09/Feb/2012 at 2:52pm
Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2012 at 9:58pm
Conference Call
Sun Pharmaceuticals
Revises Revenue growth guidance to 32-34% for FY'12
Sun Pharmaceuticals announced the results for the quarter ended December 2011 and held conference call on 13th February 2012 to discuss the results and its future growth strategies. The Key take aways of the call are as follows.
Highlights of the call:
Taro financials are included in the current quarter and nine month's financials, but included only a quarter and ten days in the previous year's financials.
Revenues from formulation business (93% of sales) grew by robust 37% YoY to Rs 2016.63 crore for the quarter ended December 2011.
Revenues from the branded prescription formulations in India grew by 14% YoY to Rs 695.64 crore for the quarter ended December 2011.
Further, excluding third party manufacturing business (discontinued operations) underlying growth was 17% during the quarter. Notably, 6 key products were launched during the quarter taking the total to 20 for the first nine months.
As per the AIOCD report, it holds 4.5% market share in the Rs.60000 crores, pharma market. Overall, the company is now ranked no. 1 based on share of prescriptions with 7 classes of specialists: psychiatrists, neurologists, cardiologists, ophthalmologists, orthopedicians, gastroenterologists and nephrologists.
The sitagliptin market share was 10% and in terms of the pricing it is very much similar to the same range in the competitors.
Revenues from US Formulations grew by sharp 63% YoY to Rs 1040 crore in Q3'FY12 primarily driven by the exceptional quarterly performance from Taro. However, Taro's performance was on the back of price increases on select products in the U.S. market and may not be sustainable going forward.
During the quarter, It has filed 1 product with US FDA taking cumulative filings combinley by Sun Pharma and Taro to 389. Also, it has received approvals for the 3 ANDAs in the current quarter taking the total number of approvals to 241. Interestingly, Total 148 products now await USFDA approval, including 18 tentative approvals. Further, it clarified that Remediation efforts at the Caraco facility in Detroit are as yet ongoing.
During the quarter, Taro filed one ANDA with the US FDA and further indicated that there was some shallowness in the pipeline of products going forward.
The Sumatriptan injection has 10-12% market share in US market. Further, it has clarifies that it will plans few more products going forward such as cetrizine ODT.
It indicated that it would take 2 years to file the Baclofin drug.
The Company is in proposal to buy the minority stake in Taro and indicated that there was rigid process to follow in acquiring it with Israel regulatory authorities.
Revenues from Formulation sales in markets outside of India and US grew by 27% YoY to Rs 280.99 crore in Q3FY12.
In dollar terms revenues were at USD 56 million.
Further, Excluding Taro sales outside US underlying sales growth for Sun Pharma business in these markets is in excess of 20% (in dollar terms) in the quarter.
Revenues from API business (7% of sales) witnessed robust 35% growth to Rs 153.62 crore for the quarter ended December 2011. Further, the cumulative of 222 DMF / CEP applications have been made, with 150 approved so far. The total number of patent applications submitted now stands at 558, with 274 patents granted so far.
During the quarter, it has negative other income Rs 86.34 crore largely includes the MTM losses.
The DPI multi dose inhaler will be launched worldwide but the company not gave any specific timeline. Further, it indicated that it might fetch lower market in the domestic market.
Consolidated R&D expense for Q3 FY12 were at Rs 124 crores or 5.8% of sales. For the first nine months R&D expense were at Rs 310 crores equivalent to 5.5% of sales.
The Capex expected to be Rs 400 crore for FY'12. Further, the cash on books at USD 1 billion.
The Company has revised Revenue guidance from previous 28-30% to 32-34% for the FY'12.
In regards to the new Pharma pricing policy ministry of Pharmaceuticals has undertaken some undertaking from the Supreme Court and sent the same to GoM (Group of Ministers).
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Posted By: Hrishi
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2012 at 5:07pm
Does any one follow Sun Pharma? And have independent view s about it for long term 5 Yrs+ ?
It is always on "HOLD" by most of the brokers or with Targets which are already in price or 5-10% more than CMP. But at the same time it has given 50% in last 2 Yrs.
Currently it is at MCap of 56,700 Cr (11 Bln USD)& with 1 Bln USD as cash.
What are the global companies it can bench-marked and should be studied against?
I liked the Mgmt of Sun, they were never into mess, most of time delivered better than street expectations, always took away the market share from the competition. Maintained margins.
But can the story remain intact for next 5 Yrs? Need some pointers to study from MCap and scope for growth perspective.
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Posted By: adad
Date Posted: 14/Mar/2013 at 11:27am
I have been following Sun Pharma for the last 5-6 years. More closely in the last year. It is a great company to own. Very conservative management. Also very honest management.
Global companies to compare it to are Mylan, Teva, Actavis(formerly Watson), Perrigo, Sandoz which is the generic division of Novartis.
EV / EBIDTA of the global companies are typically around 10-15. Sun Pharma's EV / EBIDTA is around 15. Acquisations happen in the ev / ebidta of 18 - 20 range.
Sun is better positioned than a lot of the global peers becuase of lower cost structure, exposure to emerging markets, high growth niche markets, etc.
For established innovative drug companies in the US growth is stalling and they and seeing how profitable generics business is(in the US and also the rise of the emerging markets) and most now have a generics division.
Sun has no debt and a ton of cash(6500 crore and rising by 800-1000 crore every quarter) plus around 2000 crore with subsidery - Taro(rising by around 400-500 crore a quarter). Management is very conservative and is looking for acquisations.
In my view pharma sector is the sector to be in over the next 4-5 years. There are multiple trends going for Sun - emerging markets consumption with rising incomes(FMCG like), cost savings because of recession in the developed markets, regulatory mid competition environment, etc.
I expect revenues and ebidta to rise 20-30% annually for the next 4-5 years. Share price growth will be slightly lower because multiples will be compressed as market-cap increases.
All this is based on my pea-siZed brain. Can folks more experienced with stocks comment more on Sun Pharma?
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Posted By: tejas.k
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2013 at 7:20pm
My relative who is a doctor speaks highly of this company.
What is interesting to note is that there is a huge gap in market cap. All the nearest peers have more revenue than Sun. ( The margin is very high Sun). Market cap in crore
Sun Pharma.Inds. 85,955
Cipla 30,940
Dr Reddy`s Labs 30,866
Lupin 26,837
Wockhardt 21,902
Ranbaxy Labs. 18,303
Glaxosmit Pharma 17,986
Cadila Health. 15,435
Divi`s Lab. 13,625
Glenmark Pharma. 13,477
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Posted By: baba
Date Posted: 17/Mar/2013 at 2:42pm
My all time favooo stock ..
Seems no on e is closely tracking this one .
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Posted By: adad
Date Posted: 19/Mar/2013 at 1:16pm
Marketcapwise it is huge. On other parameters like ev/ebidta it is resonable.
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Posted By: adad
Date Posted: 19/Mar/2013 at 1:29pm
I wanted to re-emphasize multiple factors going for it: Taro price increases from Jan onwards(as per Credit Suisse), Domestic Market returning to normal, URL/DUSA acquisation, any possibly quaterly regular growth, Doxil approval and good rupee/dollar rate.
There is a possible downside that the high profit margin might be difficult to maintain.
Long term growth should be good. The US Patent cliff continues till 2018 albeit at a slower pace, India and Emerging markets are growing at a good pace.
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Posted By: subu76
Date Posted: 20/Mar/2013 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by tejas.k
My relative who is a doctor speaks highly of this company.
What is interesting to note is that there is a huge gap in market cap. All the nearest peers have more revenue than Sun. ( The margin is very high Sun). Market cap in crore
Sun Pharma.Inds. 85,955
Cipla 30,940
Dr Reddy`s Labs 30,866
Lupin 26,837
Wockhardt 21,902
Ranbaxy Labs. 18,303
Glaxosmit Pharma 17,986
Cadila Health. 15,435
Divi`s Lab. 13,625
Glenmark Pharma. 13,477
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Hey Tejas, On this point I think you considered standalone revenues only.
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Posted By: adad
Date Posted: 20/Mar/2013 at 10:08am
I don't know much about most pharma stocks but i follow Sun(and Lupin to a lower degree).
One thing to consider is Sun is cash rich compared to companies with debt - around 6500 crores on it's books(plus another 400 million plus on Taro) - EV and EV/EBIDTA might probably be a better comparator.
Sun does have signficantly high profitibility compared to it's competitors. This has always been the case since i have followed it.
Current price seems a bit high. You might want to wait a bit for a correction if initiating a new position.
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Posted By: adad
Date Posted: 07/Jun/2014 at 4:29am
Even after the recent 6 month sideways movement still think Sun Pharma should ccupy the defensive portion of your portfolio. The ranbaxy acquisation should help them diversify more into India/Other emerging markets as well as diversify into new product categories. Valuations will be less stretched. In 1-2 years it would be a very stable defensive company which will grow 10-20% a year consistantly. Not multi-bagger material(but then which company above a 100k crore market-cap is?) but stable consistant growth.
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