About Splits and Bonuses and slices of pizzas!
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Topic: About Splits and Bonuses and slices of pizzas!
Posted By: basant
Subject: About Splits and Bonuses and slices of pizzas!
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 5:06pm
About Splits and Bonuses and slices of pizzas!
We all understand how bonus and splits do not affect the financials of a company and the experts have argued that it is merely a book entry. A bonus issue of 1:1 was similar to cutting a pizza into half and so on and so forth. Some time back we discussed the various issues that came up with a bonus and a split and we also discussed that except for a stamp of confidence as to how the management sees itself over the next few quarters these transactions do not affect a company’s performance and hence should be price neutral.
The effects of a bonus and a split on a company’s fundamentals are:
1) It reduces the share price but also reduces the EPS but the PE remains same.
2) Number of shares increases but their price falls but the wealth remains unchanged and so does the market cap.
3) 3)) RoE and RoCE remains same post the bonus and split.
4) There is no change in any of the profitability, turnover liquidity and solvency ratios.
Then what is it that makes the stocks which declare a bonus or a split goes up?
1) After the bonus or the split the stock appears “cheap”. Even if it is a mirage it is a fact that retail investors love low priced stocks.
2) All retail investors want to hold shares in round numbers. So while they would not buy 5 shares of ITC at Rs 2000 they would surely buy 100 shares of ITC at Rs 100 (after the bonus and split).
3) After a bonus and a split the liquidity in a stock improves and that encourages the institutional investors to take meaningful positions in the stock. In the June carnage I used to see trades on 500 shares of Pantaloon bringing down the price by Rs 150 .In other words a trade of Rs 65,000 was removing Rs 400 crores of market cap!
4) Thus while the stock price does rise after the split the rise is directly proportional to the increase in the number of shares. For example a company subdividing its Rs 10 share into 2 shares of Rs 5 each may see lesser increase compared to another company that increases the subdivides the Rs 10 share into 10 shares of Rs 1 each.
5) In the table below I have included a very small sample of companies and the trends showed that over a period of 6 months the increase in stock price varied from 10% to 60% depending on point (4) above.
Thus while a bonus and a split does not affect the fundamentals of company it does change the demand and supply dynamics (technical) and that results in an increase in price. Now we could call that temporary but what ever it is the stock does get http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=382 - rerated for a higher PE as liquidity improves. Generally liquid stocks trade at higher PE's.
Company |
Price as on bonus / split board meeting date |
Bonus Split Ratio. |
Price after 6 months |
Gain % |
Current price |
ITC |
105 |
15 shares for 1 |
135 |
29% |
187 |
Nagarjuna Construction |
75 |
5 shares for 1 |
105 |
40% |
150 |
IVRCL |
200 |
5 shares for 1 |
225 |
12.5% |
241 |
Unitech |
152 |
60 shares for 1 |
288 |
89% |
288 |
Infosys |
1650 |
2 shares for 1 |
1825 |
10.6% |
1825 |
· Nagarjuna recently came out with another bonus issue at 1:1
· Unitech and Infosys still have time before they complete 6 months of bonus/split.
· We have been calculating the effects of a bonus and a split in the midst of a secular bull market and in fundamentally strong companies. Would be interesting to see the effect on companies that are losing on fundamentals.
Finally this was just an exercise to look for reasons and no investor should buy a stock just because it was being split or a bonus is being issued because such an event does not affect the fundamentals. In case the fundamentals deteriorate the stock could fall after a bonus/split irrespective of what the ratio is.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 5:35pm
In my sense you have hit the nail on the head and have explained this very well. This is a tactic often used by various companies (good and bad) in a bull market to make their stock more attractive to the retail guy. We must look out for companys who repetatily use this tactic as this could indiatce a red flag.
Sorry for few posts lately, as i have been really busy. Will be fine after a week of so.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 6:03pm
Thanks. My sense is that a bonus/split acts just as a catalyst to creating market cap. Generally I do not think that any company should get in for split or a bonus unless its stock price exceeds Rs 500. In any case it is a misnomer because with dematerialization investors can buy even one share of a company.
But the point is that a split/bonus increases the trading volume for the stock which increase the PE as it creates additional demand (Institutional for liquidity and retail investor for price). Seems very funny but that is the way it is.
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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 6:18pm
Yes i agree completely. Look at ITC volumes now... and also Unitech... The volumes have improved significantly. This factilates easy entry and exit for everyone particularly for Instititions, which is very good. I think that you will see a similar case with Pantaloons also in the future.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 6:24pm
Yes It should, but all depends on how much they split it to. Re 1 would be excellent.You know if the number of shares increases by 10 times the increase in volume is significantly larger because of newer participation.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 6:54pm
basant I prefer bonuses instead of splits... actually liquidity is a double edged sword...it decreases the ease of movement. I beleive thats the reason why we see such a pathetic price for Hindalco and such a price for Pentaloon or a Grasim. You may cite many reasons other reasons for the differential but I beleive this 1 re. paid up stocks have tremendous inherent overhang when they move. Look at how ACC and Grasim have behaved vis-a vis gujarat Ambuja.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 7:02pm
Split or bonus have similar effects just that a Split of aRS 10 stock into 2 Rs 5 stocks = 1:1 Bonus. FUnadamentally there is no difference. Just the liquidity improves.
Guj Amb Cement is not a pure cement company it has an overhang in terms of investment it carries on its books for which it receives only dividend. That destroys the RoE hence it is tougher to move. ACC is a pure play.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 9:25pm
Basant, splits dont tamper with reserves. Bonus do so. I understand that t both have no significance from dhareholder's returns point of view. Also, bonus have a very strong signalling power whereas splits doesnt signal anything.Thats the reason why we are seeing Exide coming down from its high like this as from a shareholder point of view I dont have any signal to its future prospects. Voltas may also follow the suit. Also, I beleive capitalisation of reserves show that the companies are confident enough that they will manage their profits so well that they wont need to utilise their reserves for any other purpose( Bonus implies conversion of reserves into equity and hence decline in reserves).Another example of a poor decision to split was that of chemplast sanmar.Also at times, I think when you split you make it look so cheap in the eyes of the shareholder that they fail to get their due respect from the investing community.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 9:57pm
Shareholder funds/RoE/RoCE/EPS/Book Value/Market cap etc remain same irrespective of split/bonus. They do not say anything else. As you know I would rather look at a company's environment and its management/business/competitors/market share/pricing power/operating margins/sales growth/cost parameters to decide. Corporate finance text books do indicate signalling etc but this is all too subjective something like the body language of the management. They just can add up a bit not decisive enough to make any meaningful suggestion.
To me a company that declared a bonus or a split makes no effect as a long term investor - Just nothing. I am neither too excited if any of my companies announces a bonus neither too depressed if it does not.
In fact in analysing a company I never see whether the company declares a bonus/split. Many people categorise a shareholder friendly company as one which declares a bonus - not sure how that logic works.
The only way these steps COULD affect stock price is through increased participation and trading volumes and liquid stocks generally have higher PE's thus providing a rerating to the stock
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 10:39pm
"As you know I would rather look at a company's environment and its management/business/competitors/market share/pricing power/operating margins/sales growth/cost parameters to decide. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Basant, apart from financials everything boils down to subjectivity. And market pays for subjectivite stregths. I can name 2 companies which have shown what continous bonuses can do...Havell's India and Opto Circuits India Limited.True the margins may appear attractive, growth story strong, but then why not every electrical company or any diagnostic/sensor company.... also look at some of the MNCs who had so liberally doled out bonuses in the late 80s and early 90s like Colgate and Castrol...its their mere legacy which makes them command such valuation. They have negliible Book value, EPS is also not very significant... yet the price they command is mind blowing. I agree with your logic on splits but am not in sync with your argument of indignificance of Bonus. Just tell me why does an Asian Paints command such a premium and a Kotak Bank or a HDFC for that matter...
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 10:49pm
In the US the heart of financial markets there is nothing like a bonus issue. They only have stock splits. This is how bonus issue is defined:
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They have negliible Book value, EPS is also not very significant... yet the price they command is mind blowing -
This is because of the high RoE; RoE is EPS/BV so a low BV would have a higher RoE - BV does not change because of a bonus/split.Also big dividend pay outs keep the book value low..
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 10:56pm
Regular bonus issues together with increasing dividends shows the investor-friendliness of the management and does have a positive impact on the company's image and PE though strictly speaking there should not be any effect which is why Berkshire Hathaway (I am not 100 per cent certain)has not issued any bonuses or doled out dividends.Shareholders of Berkshire believe that Buffet can better utilize the money and that will get reflected in the earnings and the market price.
As for face value splits the less said about them the better.What a waste of effort!!But I am really puzzled at the recent trend of the run-up in prices after the split-probably due anyway as in the case of Exide.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 11:11pm
I agree with the views expressed about Stock Splits: it's a MAYA (in Sanskrit). Nothing really happens to the financials, it only increases the liquidity (number of shares) and investor perception as it appears cheaper.
However, regarding Bonus issues (i.e. capitalisation of reserves), though nothing changes financially, it clearly signals a message of future potential growth(only applicable for good managements), and that it would be able to deliver/service enhanced capital base. That is why it is generally taken very positively by investor community.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 11:42pm
I know in US there's nothing called bonus. Microsoft's 1 share in 1986 has become 288 shares (or 286, I have to check) now.Thats also one of the reasons why its stock commands so much respect. Basant, you are one of the very few investors I have come across who doesnt view bonuses positively. As Ajith says, dividend along with bonus will make the share endearing to shareholders.
How come BV doesnt change with Bonus. A 1:1 bonus reduces your BV by half. It also reduces your EPS(future) by half. so, net net how does your ROE change?Couldnt understand, kindly clarify
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:02pm
I am indifferent to bonus/split Nothing positive/negative on that.
WHether you do a bonus or a split in (both in equal ratio).The Book value would come out the same. It would of course reduce but the number of shares going up would keep them the same post split and post bonus.I am elaborating it for you now:
Post Bonus BV= Post Split BV.
ALso i never said RoE does not change If you will read my first post this is what i said:
1) It reduces the share price but also reduces the EPS but the PE remains same.
2) Number of shares increases but their price falls but the wealth remains unchanged and so does the market cap.
3) 3)) RoE and RoCE remains same post the bonus and split.
4) There is no change in any of the profitability, turnover liquidity and solvency ratios
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:39pm
One thing is NOT very clear to me..
There is some different between "Split" and "Bonus" i.e. in split, the face value gets split up and in Bonus - the face value remains the same...
Market Cap remains the same in Both... But equity increases in bonus and not in split ...
I know most of the parameters remains the same, but can someone list down what are all the exhaustive differences between split and bonus like face value, equity, etc. etc.
Thanks !
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:44pm
The differences that I knew of are already known to you. Maybe someone else could be able to take this out.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:50pm
Basantji,
Good to know that i knew all differences. But what i am unclear about is -
In bonus, when they increase the equity and give the shareholders shares for free.... then who pays for the increase in equity ?
Does the reserves and surplus comes down and from there the money goes into equity...
In short, how are these transactions (bonus) shown in the Balance Sheet... What headings/columns of balance sheet are effected and in what way ?
Thanx
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:54pm
The reserves come down and the share capital goes up by an equivalent amount in case of a bonus.
In case of a stock split capital and reserves remain same just face value of shares are reduced so investors have a larger number of shares now.
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 12:59pm
Another question -
If the equity changes post bonus (and earnings would be same) -
Then ROE should also change (decrease) post-bonus..
Because ROE = Earnings/Equity
It would NOT change the Earnings/Market_Cap, but Earnings/Equity should change.
Isn't it ?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 1:03am
No. of shares increase and face value go down so equity capital = No. of shares x FV = Would remain same..
RoE is earnings/shareholders funds also known as EPS/BV
In case of bonus EPS and BV both come down so RoE remains same.
SHareholder funds = Equity Share Capital+ reserves => also known as "equity" many times.
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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 5:42am
Thanks Basant Jee for eye opener article. I have seen even intelligient investors articulating other benifites of split/bonus except liquidity. Inspite of teaching EPS and PE division, they continue to believe their own theories. Your article will help them. Generaly all split/bonus announcements lead to share spikes and then retail investors become excited ont these. All of us must understand that fundamentally any split/bonus does not affect shareholders.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2006 at 9:13am
Thank you- But it is difficult to change the convention.
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 2:53pm
Nice post Basant
It would be great if you post details about how we should treat bonus and splits for our tax calculations.
According to the IT rules, i think for bonus we can treat the "bonus" shares as having zero cost of acquisition, while for the split shares it would the original cost divided by the appropritae split ration....im not sure though.
It would help a lot of us if you can clear this once and for all.
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 3:08pm
Bonus issue is nothing but CAPLITALIZATION OF RESERVES. The company increases the paid-up equity of the company by converting money from reserves to equity shares.
But Basant, there is one very important difference between a bonus and a stock-split, which you have not mentioned.
It is about the Face Value. In case of bonus, the Face Value of the Share does not change, the new shares are also of the same FV as the existing ones. But in case of split, the FV also gets reduced accordingly.
This is significant from the dividend point of view, coz dividends are anounced as % of FV of the share.
For example, if you had 100 shares of FV 10 each of a company, and they issued a 1:5 bonus, then ex-bonus you would have 500 shares. Now if they announced a 100% dividend, you would get 500*10 = 5000 Rs. as total dividend.
But if they went if for a 1:5 split, then you would still got 500 shares, but if they had announced 100% dividend, it is 100% of FV 2, so you wouldve got only 500*2 = 1000 as total dividend.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 3:18pm
Yes, that is why SEBI has asked companies to declare press release on dividend on per share basis also because 100% on Rs 1 after a split from a Rs 10 share looks great but means little.
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 4:29pm
Dear Investor,
There is a mistake in your post.
If you had 100 shares in a company and the company issued a bonus of 5 shares for every share held (as mentioned by you in your post), exbonus you will have a total of 600 shares(100 original + 500 bonus) of the company and not 500 shares as mentioned by you. Now if the company announced a 100% dividend, then total dividend you will receive is Rs. 6000/- (not Rs. 5000).
I am sure the mistake you made was by oversight so pls take this message in the right spirit.
Rgds.
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2006 at 5:45pm
hi equity buff, i also realized that as soon as my post came online, but didnt feel like editing it, as the main point was about the FV difference between bonus and split, and not necessarily the value mentioned - that was just taken as an example to illustrate better.
But you are right in what you have pointed out, and now others will also know about the correct value. Thanks for that, and dont worry, no offence taken! 
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 1:53pm
Hi Sir,
I want to know how does FCCB`s conversion takes place and when, just an example last year Mirza International raised $50 Mn. through FCCB and had green shoe option to raise $50 mn. more. I dont know how they convernt and does this converion raises equity capital thus bring down EPS and how important is conversion price, I mean take they fixed Rs.400 for converion and Rs.250 for conversion will Rs.400 means more equity and Rs.200 less equity dilution.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 2:19pm
FCCB gives the holder a right to buy shares either at predefined rate. Now if the conversion takes place aat rs 400 less equity is issued then at alower price. On the other hand if the market price is Rs 35 no one will like to get it converted that is because they can buy it from the market. In this case it is retired as a bond without equity dilution.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 2:29pm
So, FCCB holder has option to convert or not to convert? If current market price is 150 and conversion price is 300 then he may not convert looking at the price difference of 100%, in this case does he get some interest on the amount? And one point that I did`nt get that does higer conversion price means more dilution and low conversion means less dilution or price don`t make any difference only amount does?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 2:52pm
Amount is fixed so high price means less dilution and low price high dilution- if they convert.
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 4:25pm
In above post do you mean: high price means less dilution and low price means more dilution - if they convert. ?
Rgds.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 4:30pm
Yes because in case of a hign price you are issuing lesser number of shares and so on and so forth.
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Posted By: Equity Buff
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 4:39pm
Yes, I agree but your post said low price low dilution and hence my post.
Rgds.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 4:45pm
Yes, That was a typo sorry... got it corrected.
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Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 08/Feb/2007 at 4:12pm
very useful stuff..........normally people still think that they are getting extra shares..........as the number factor make s abig difference..........but a person who beleves buy and hold ....it doesnt matter at all...................or may be they should change it to buy and forget...for a decade
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Posted By: bullzi
Date Posted: 10/Feb/2007 at 1:48am
Originally posted by investor
According to the IT rules, i think for bonus we can treat the "bonus" shares as having zero cost of acquisition, while for the split shares it would the original cost divided by the appropritae split ration....im not sure though.
It would help a lot of us if you can clear this once and for all.
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I think there's a small point to be noted here.
-->Incase of a bonus of say 1:1, I recieve the new share at zero cost. Now, suppose I had initially bought 10 shares at Rs 100 each. Say at the time of the bonus, its price is Rs 120. After bouns the price becomes half to 60. Now if I sell 10 shares@60, and if I have held the share for less than 1 year, then it is a short term capital loss for me and I can balance this against any short term capital gains that I might have made. This will help me reduce the tax that I pay legally.
The same is not true for split shares.
--> Another difference is that the bonus shares are acquired on the date on which they are issued.
The split shares are assets that are acquired from the date you acquire the original shares.
However, I personally feel that the above should not be used to base buying/selling decisions. These should however be kept in mind while filing tax returns.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Feb/2007 at 9:11am
Very well explained bullzi!
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Posted By: johnnybravo
Date Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 12:56pm
I read it somewhere (I think it was BT) that Dividend Stripping and Bonus-Split IT adjustments are been perceived as a 'malpractice' by the IT department and sooner this is going to be curtailed.
That's one of the reasons why SEBI has asked Mutual Funds to pay dividends within 7 days from the day of declaration... --> this reminds me of the huge hoardings on dividend annoncements that many mutual munds used to put on important roads in Mumbai, probably this practice of fooling investors has stopped after the SEBI guideline.
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Posted By: praveenmbd
Date Posted: 24/Jun/2007 at 1:58pm
Bonus is also used by smart investors as a tool for Tax Planning. It is a very good tool to reduce Short Term Capital Gain Tax liability. I use this tool to reduce my tax liability.
The method for effectively using this tool is Buy shares of good companies like TV 18 cum bonus and sell original shares ex bonus. Value of Bonus shares is taken at zero in Income tax. So original shares are sold at loss. Such short term loss can be adjusted against other short term capital gain.
But the bonus shares should be kept for at least one year to qualify for long term capital gain. As you all know long term capital gain is exempt from income tax.
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Posted By: mragarwal
Date Posted: 18/Jul/2007 at 5:39pm
Thanks Basant Jee for initiating this discussion and enlightening me. Just wanted to illusrate a recent example of Value unlocking thru stck split.. Last week, on Jul 09, ET reported under insider news of Kothari products coming out with a stock split news soon. A week before that, ashish chugh of hidden gems fame on CNBC-TV18 had picked Kothari as it had a low PE multiple (less than 5) comapred to peers like ITC, despite growing more than 20% on earnings, and despite regulr dividends.
As soon as the news came on ET abt stock split, the stock alomst doubled within a span of 5 days. The reason being- with moer than 80% holdings under the promoter, the stock that is now Rs 1000 plus had low liquidity. News of stock split improved liquidity as well as brought into spotlight an undervalued stock.
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 15/Sep/2007 at 3:35pm
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1121536 - Is a bonus issue really an occasion for joy?
Vivek Kaul
A company has a certain amount of reserves, which it has built up over the years, by retaining a proportion of the profit and not giving it out as a dividend. While issuing bonus shares, the company converts a part of these reserves into shares. So, in the strictest sense, bonus shares are really not free.
Hence, at a very basic level, it is an accounting entry that moves money from one accounting head to another.
Why then do so many companies issue bonus shares? And why do investors get so excited about it?
The answer lies in the fact that when a company issues bonus shares the market takes it as a signal that the present good run of the company will continue in the days to come. The company management would not have distributed these shares if it was not confident of distributing dividends on all the shares in the days to come.”
Investors feel that bonus is a company’s way of signalling that the good times are likely to continue.
Also, with the market price of the stock falling and with more shares in the market, it becomes much easier to buy and sell the stock. This gives the stock more liquidity.
But, one needs to be careful. The promoters of penny stocks can resort to issuing bonus shares to create a buzz around the company.
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Posted By: aloksahi1971
Date Posted: 15/Sep/2007 at 7:29pm
Basantjee,
There is a big buzz around Jai Corp. What is it all about . It seems to be agold mine rising from 700 to 8100 in 6 months. Is thare something that alay investor knows nothing of??
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 15/Sep/2007 at 9:50pm
Oh teri! 700 to 8100...Wah Wah!
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 15/Sep/2007 at 10:34pm
Mr. Lal says this should hit the 15k mark before diwali. I met him a couple of days back.
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 17/Sep/2007 at 5:57pm
I saw similar comments on MMB also about it reaching 15k by diwali.
Also, supposedly, Nomura, the japanese investment company holds nearly 1% of jai corp in
its total india portfolio and this ranks among the top three of its
investments in india. It has almost doubled its holdings in the month of August, in the price range : 3777 to 7183. (again, this also from MMB, do not know how true or false it is!)
Looks like a very buzzing stock. But what is all the buzz about? Does anyone know? 
Originally posted by basant
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2009 at 12:59pm
When liquidity is the biggest problem everywhere, why would any sane company want to capitalize its reserves and issue a bonus? Wouldnt they be better off holding on to that capital, just in case its required 12 months down the line, when raising capital is even more difficult(possibly!)?
Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani
What HDFC should do in such a period is to take some kind of a corporate action......like a bonus. What I am looking for is an opportunity to create bags now, and at 1200, I dont see much of an opportunity here, thats a problem. So, I am looking for some kind of a reward to attract the investors sitting on the fence.
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2009 at 2:34pm
How does a bonus issue affect liquidity. I am not saying a buy-back or a special dividend, which is too much to expect from Indian companies.
Problem is, in good times, you become greedy and dont want to share....and in bad times, you fear to share. Thats why whenever things will get murkier, people will always flock to colgates and levers of the world, rather than sticking with Indian companies.
When it comes to confidence enhancing measures, our corporates fail miserably..... thats the tragedy we are saddled with, what to do????
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 26/Feb/2009 at 2:46pm
Sorry my understanding was that when a company converts a part of its reserves into fesh equity by issuing bonus shares, that money is no longer "available" for spending by the company. But i now realize that that notion was incorrect. Its just a movement in the Balance Sheet from reserves to paid-up equity, money is still available for the company, isnt it?
(i'm not an expert in all these things like you people, still learning every day). So thats one more thing i've learned on TED! 
Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani
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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 22/Oct/2009 at 8:04am
Bonus issues help earn more dividends Tinesh Bhasin / Mumbai October 23, 2009, 0:35 IST http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/bonus-issues-help-earn-more-dividends/374038/ - Source
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Posted By: rapidriser
Date Posted: 04/Nov/2009 at 7:24am
http://www.topstockanalysts.com/cmnts/2009/11-03-09-ao-buffett.asp - Interesting view about the effect of stock splits.
According to me a bonus is better than a split. Usually the company does not reduce its dividend per share in case of bonus, while in case of splits the dividend per share reduces proportionately.
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Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 21/Aug/2010 at 2:15am
Someone asked why company gives bonus from reserves instead of paying dividends..I think its got something to do with saving taxes. Is it correct?
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Posted By: MR TED
Date Posted: 21/Aug/2010 at 2:38am
Also, I feel to understand this split, bonus and dividend issues, we must think from the company point of view and not investors.
A company lists to raise capital. Now, after listing if its share price keeps on rising, then its good for promotors, and not for company. Its good as long as their motive is to hold and then make an exit at correct time. (Latest eg of Cairn India) Now, once the company has got its required capital after listing and is performing well, I do not understand why would a company wish to share its profits with public? I as a company owner would want my company's share price to crash, so that I can buy them back.
So, unless I want to further dilute my holdings, I would not care if share price falls.
Suppose my cos 10 shares of rs 100 each are floating in market and I pay dividend 10% per year
So, If I want to buyback my company's shares, in case I am a dividend payer, i have lost that money and my buyback will be 10 * current market value.
But, if instead of paying dividend from reserves, I give bonus, then total market float will be 20 and current market price will be halved. Now, if I buyback, my buyback money required will be same as in dividend paying case but 1. I have saved the dividend money 2. Gained Goodwill by bonus
In short, my above total thinking may be faulty but what i want to convey is, Company does what is good for it most of the times.
I respect a high dividend paying company most, although it may not give me the biggest gains and I may not invest in it because of dividends :)
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Posted By: Kabootar
Date Posted: 17/Oct/2010 at 3:12am
I for one welcome a well timed split. South Indian bank jumped from Rs 160 levels on announcement of the split, finally split at Rs 220-odd levels lately it has gone to Rs 26.8 in no time at all. In terms of the original FV, its been a rise of rs 40 in about two weeks.
I guess its just the mental shortcut of apparent cheapness, because such a rapid rise would not have been possible pre-split, even though the stock was cheap compared to its bank peers.
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Posted By: raj261178
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2010 at 2:46pm
Here is my own example of financials pre split , post split, Post bonus of a conpany if 1:1 bonus or slit is gven. Pls chekc on any errors here
A) Components that change during both split and bonus
1. No of shares , BV per share , EPS , Share Price
B) Components that change during split alone
2. Face value
C) Components that change during bonus alone
3. Paid up equity , Reserves
D) Components that do not change during both split and bonus
4. Shareholders Equity , Book value (BV), Net Profit , PE, MARKETCAP, ROE, EV . So effectively no financial ratios get changed
SNO |
FINANCIAL TERMS |
DATA - BEFORE SPLIT |
DATA - AFTER SPLIT |
DATA - AFTER BONUS |
FORMULAE |
1 |
No of shares |
50 |
100 |
100 |
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2 |
FV |
10 |
5 |
10 |
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3 |
Paid up equity |
500 |
500 |
1000 |
( No of shares * FV) |
4 |
Reserves |
1500 |
1500 |
1000 |
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5 |
Shareholders Equity |
2000 |
2000 |
2000 |
( Paid up equity + Reserves) |
6 |
Book value (BV) |
2000 |
2000 |
2000 |
( Shareholders Equity) |
7 |
BV per share |
40 |
20 |
20 |
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8 |
Net Profit |
300 |
300 |
300 |
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9 |
EPS |
6 |
3 |
3 |
(Net Profit/No of shares) |
10 |
PE |
20 |
20 |
20 |
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11 |
Share Price |
120 |
60 |
60 |
(EPS * PE) |
12 |
MCAP |
6000 |
6000 |
6000 |
(Share Price * No of shares) |
13 |
ROE |
15% |
15% |
15% |
(Net Profit/Total shareholders Equity) or (EPS/BV) |
14 |
DEBT |
1000 |
1000 |
1000 |
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15 |
CASH |
200 |
200 |
200 |
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16 |
EV |
6800 |
6800 |
6800 |
(MCAP + DEBT - CASH) |
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Posted By: raj261178
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2010 at 2:50pm
Can TEddies help summarising the effect of dilution with respect to
Rights issue and FCCB conversion??? and the accounting entries that will get affected because of the same.
Plus the advantahges/disadvantages of rights vs fccb vs bonus
If any thread already exists on this topic, pls confirm on the same also
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