Will Anna's fast make a difference?
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Topic: Will Anna's fast make a difference?
Posted By: basant
Subject: Will Anna's fast make a difference?
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 1:00pm
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I do not know about the genuineness of this website but I had signed up to this petition. Let us sign that and put up a "Done" quote here in this thread
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Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 1:26pm
Done. I cannot understand the squirming on the part of government in order to bring the Lokpal bill. Even the BJP which is supporting the bill in public domain has not done anything in Gujarat in the direction inspite of being in power for so many years. There has been no lokayukt since almost 6-7 years in gujarat. Goes to show the double face of the parties. ------------- Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart. |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 1:27pm
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Done. First time I have more than a hope that this movement will make difference. And even when Lokpal is done it is not going to stop. Annaji is after criminals in politics. Wonderful things happening. Nobody dared to name Pawar publicly. But he did and this man has clarity and selflessness. |
Posted By: Kautilya
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 1:36pm
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Done. ------------- My indecision is final. |
Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:01pm
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done.
------------- understanding both the power of compound return and the difficulty getting it is the heart and soul of understanding a lot of things |
Posted By: vivekanandask
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:03pm
| Done. |
Posted By: rinkumalpani
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:04pm
| done |
Posted By: rajivsubra
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:35pm
| For once, we have ideas that rises above "enough is enough" or "change the system". The demands of this movement are specific, time-bound and achievable. |
Posted By: bihisello
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:38pm
| Done. |
Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:43pm
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Done! The movement will really become successful only when each of us starts saying no to corruption of any kind in our daily lives. |
Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:54pm
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Done!
It is great feeling to see this movement. I think corruption in public office is single biggest reason, holding back country's progress. If we, as a nation, nail this down, it will take the country a long way.
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Posted By: kmp_saij
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 2:55pm
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This does matter to all Indians -------------------------- 1. Who is Anna Hazare? ------------- Own whatever’s feared, shun whatever’s beloved. |
Posted By: kumardiwesh
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 3:00pm
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Done ------------- "History does not tell you the probability of future financial things happening" - Warren Buffett |
Posted By: bobbyusd
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 3:04pm
| done |
Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 3:38pm
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Done!
Real push to this cause will come if huge number of ex-service men back this. I know all are not very net savvy. Even better would be some senior serving army commanders come out in support. I was reading that Antony has issued a gag order to forces. I know it is dangerous but then this govt is acting worse than a colonial govt. |
Posted By: RahulB
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 4:18pm
| done |
Posted By: Catalyst
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 4:20pm
| done. |
Posted By: jagbir
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 4:34pm
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Done.
This site is equally engaged to take such matters in limelight: http://www.petitiononline.com/2rp8n1k6/ - http://www.petitiononline.com/2rp8n1k6/ ------------- I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have. |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 4:47pm
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I think we are missing the point here.
The present issue is not directly on fighting corruption.
This fast is to bring a Lokpal bill into existence. Under this law there will be a seperate mechanism to process complaints on corruption and prosecute the accused. Also there will be special provisions to seize the assets of the accused.
This Act is mainly a vehicle which one can use to to nail corrupt public servants.
The dispute is 2 fold:
1. Who are the public servants who will be covered by this act.
2. What powers will those who run the show have.
This is akin to the setting up of the Election commission where the authority though funded by the government will be independent of the government.
Once constitued it will take 10 - 15 years to see the fruits. But it will be a beginning.
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Posted By: aniljain
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 4:58pm
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done ------------- Investment is an art, not science |
Posted By: extreme3
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 5:06pm
| everybody(jaspal bhatty, ramdev baba, etc) doing CHANCE PE DANCE |
Posted By: Khan
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 5:13pm
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Done ------------- If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten |
Posted By: manishwithted
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 5:40pm
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Done steps like the ones taken by Anna Hazare are not easy ( to say the least ) and the least we can do is support them. it is nice to see people coming together to fight for a common cause rather than for religion, caste, region etc Whether Anna Hazare is successful or not, only time will tell but i feel his movement will defiinitely bring some change. Lets hope for his success and good health. ------------- Long term thinking improves short term decision making - Brian Tracy |
Posted By: leo2007
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 5:46pm
| Done |
Posted By: Gurdial
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 5:51pm
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Done.
Whether it succeeds or not, atleast doing something is better that doing nothing and moaning. ------------- To be a successful business owner and investor, you have to be emotionally neutral to winning and losing. Winning and losing are just part of the game. |
Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 6:33pm
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"Kaun kahta hai ki aasman main soorakh nahin ho sakta
Ek patthar to tabiyat se uchhalo yaron." |
Posted By: ramsey123
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 6:43pm
| DONE!!! |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 7:47pm
Why won't it succeed? PPl are fed up and Annaji has nothing to gain personally so there is trust. This is not case like VP singh. And he has clarity. Seizing assets and life in prison will make many ppl afraid. After this bill 2G and CWG would not happen. He has made it clear. He is not going to stop here. After this he will take issue of criminals in politics. This is going to be headache for all parties. |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 8:04pm
| It is going to succeed. He has chosen a good time. All the scams has made the people irritated about the corruption and they are all eager for an act like this. |
Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 8:31pm
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RTI was implemented in Maharashtra first and in full India later. Anna Hazare fought for it 10 years. He also successfully fought the attempt of Manmohan Singh govt to dilute the RTI act.
Interview is in Hindi ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxksAURdwTI |
Posted By: master
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 8:32pm
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Time for some clean-up has probably come. ------------- Someone’s sitting in shade today because someone planted a tree long time ago. |
Posted By: bharti
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 8:52pm
| done. |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 8:57pm
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went to azad maidan in Mumbai yesterday and spent about an hour there. Very nice mood.
There was a whole range of people.
They have created different sections. Apart from a baithak type of section. Quite a few college students were around snapping photos while shouting slogans, wearing gandhi topi and waving flags.
And continuous singing of patriotic songs.
Very heavy police bandobast.
In the evening the whole section was split into units. Some small of about 5 and some large. These teams went around the whole business district around 5 to 7, the time when office goers are leaving.
That was quite a sight. People becoming aware of this corruption thing. Soemthing like builidng pressure on the government, by creating public opinion against the government.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 9:03pm
That will indeed make Mera Bharat Mahan! ------------- 'The Thoughtful Investor: A Journey to Financial Freedom Through Stock Market Investing' - A Book on Equity Investing especially for Indian Investors. Book your copy now: www.thethoughtfulinvestor.in |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 9:23pm
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One person most happy about Anna Hazare would be Lalit Modi.
IPL 4 has been eclipsed by Anna.
Lets see how this plays out.
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Posted By: LearningToFly
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 11:59pm
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I have a different view. This will not make any difference. Come on folks, we have seen this many times before. The most dangerous statement in investing world is "This time it is different". This could be very well applicable to politics too.
IPL is starting and people will forget this in a few days. Moreover, you cannot expect the Government of India (the don) to really bring a law against its minions who get the required money for the don. ------------- Success... at all cost. |
Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 6:31am
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DONE!
Similar concerns were there when baapu started the movement. May be it would not have macro impact but it will have many-many micro implications. we all just imagine .. One man with principle can bring the govt. On its knees. We don't need to kill each other to see the CHANGE.. This is the most efficient way of making a change. I feel lucky to be born in a society and country where where values take utmost importance. I think we can contribute to this in our own way. Take a pledge to help root out corrupt businesses by not being investor in them. Let us educate as many people as possible on corrupt practices in corp. Sector. I believe these corrupt businesses make politicians corrupt and in turn whole society. ------------- ‘The market always does what it’s supposed to — BUT NEVER WHEN’. |
Posted By: manishwithted
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 7:45am
very well said. ------------- Long term thinking improves short term decision making - Brian Tracy |
Posted By: b_kothari2001
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 9:48am
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Done.
We need this to be succeeded. Regards, Bharat |
Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 10:39am
| Now govt has agreed to comitee to draft the bill. If Lokpal bill gets passed without much dilution, it will be very potent tool against corruption at very top. People like A Raja and senior officials will not get a leeway of 2-3 years hiding under cover of "government permission" for prosecution. |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 10:56am
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Govt. and paid media on damage control- http://ibnlive.in.com/#hp_player2 If they were so professional why were their channel part of frenzy? |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 11:35am
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Will the act be prospective or retrospective in effect |
Posted By: rajnsharma
Date Posted: 08/Apr/2011 at 11:35am
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The dangerous view that "nothing will change" has been proven wrong by one man. The young India is tired of corruption all around and just need a rallying point. I hope that this decade will transform India and the biggest transformation will be the belief that "Things can change and we will bring the change".
------------- Wall Street makes money by it's activity, while you can make money by your in-activity - Warren Buffett |
Posted By: aniljain
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 12:14pm
 I believe in ethical investment And i can contribute to this in my own way i take pledge to help root out corrupt businesses by not being investor in them.
Thanks futurebull future is bright.
 v The ruling classes want to keep everything under control. Like governing elites everywhere, they want to prevent change - at all costs. So, they prop up the old industries...reward the bad banks...and protect failed companies and bad speculators. Why? They're on the top of the heap...and they want to stay there. ------------- Investment is an art, not science |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 12:17pm
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fast called off.
Great news. |
Posted By: smart_prof
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 1:56pm
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Posted By: smart_prof
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 1:57pm
| Done |
Posted By: manishwithted
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 2:16pm
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Now we know the answer to the topic question : Will Anna's fast make a difference ? YES YES and YES Anna Hazare rocks...  this shows the power of unity. If people are united success can be achieved. the bill which could not be passed in decades will hopefully be passed in a year. Thanks to Anna Hazare and the supporters. Thanks to the govt also for aggreeing to the demands and not letting it stretch too long as it would have serious implications on the health of people who were fasting for the cause. We can hope for a much better india now ...... cheers  ------------- Long term thinking improves short term decision making - Brian Tracy |
Posted By: sheetal12
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 2:26pm
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You know you're the big hypocrite if you are Pledging Online Support to Anna Hazare From a Pirated Windows Operating System.
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 3:34pm
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Done
------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: Electrodelic
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 3:52pm
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This view is fundamentally flawed. Business Ethics as a phrase is a true oxymoron. The heart of all business' or the success measuring factor is "Profit" not customer satisfaction, quality and such parameters, which makes every business fundamentally non-ethical.
All you have to do is think or research on how Microsoft became the most dominant software product in the world market. For a introspection on our society as a whole, there is a wonderful documentary called Zeitgeist:Addendum which is available on youtube for free viewing. Must be that "Fair use" clause. 
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 5:13pm
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We need this bill yesterday: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/customs-grills-goa-minister-registers-case/148751-37-64.html And some ppl are talking let elected ppl handle this!!!!! |
Posted By: gcpradhan1
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 9:04pm
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A battle has been won, but long way to go to win the war. If there is mass support everything is possible, because our corrupt politicians can't just afford to loose an election. They will do everything to win the election and will find another way for the corruption. ------------- Only buy something that you'd be perfectly happy to hold if the market shut down for 10 years - Buffet |
Posted By: numcru
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 6:53am
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Done.
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Posted By: siloni
Date Posted: 09/Apr/2011 at 10:24am
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done ------------- jbeh20032003 |
Posted By: Kuber
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 12:07pm
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Done. |
Posted By: vijayM
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 4:21pm
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done
------------- If a business does well, the stock eventually follows:Warren Buffett |
Posted By: numcru
Date Posted: 10/Apr/2011 at 5:20pm
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A Website which has become the calling card of all people opposed to Corruption in India is http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org/ - http://www.indiaagainstcorruption.org/ in which over 10,36,000 people have registered. The server crashed after a large influx of registrations about 2-3 days ago. ------------- -66 and 93 |
Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 11/Apr/2011 at 10:11am
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Friends,
The India against corruption movement was just the beginning and the govt had no option but to concede. As part of this movement we also had an indeifnite fast here in Blore also and I was part of the coordination group.
I feel proud to announce that one of our own Tedie http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=4933 - Ashutosh performed the fast from 5th April till 9th April and broke the fast only afer Anna Hazare did it in Delhi. Three cheers Ashutosh. ------------- Warm REgards Nitin Jagtap |
Posted By: new2investing
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2011 at 6:49pm
kudos for ashutosh  .
but we must not forget that this is just a beginning and its still a long way to go before the bill gets passed, becomes a law and finally gets implemented successfully. and believe me all the corrupts up there in govt or in administration alike will do everything they can to dampen the spirit of the bill and the nation too.
The tools they might use range from
1)delaying the bill under the disguise of discussions and refinement etc and make it toothless.
2)try to drag anna or others actively engaged with the campaign in some
sort of controversy or defame them.
3) create some other controversy altogether to take away the attention of the nation from the true issue(as is evident from the issuing of notice on anupam kher for his alleged comments against the constitution of india, which everyone knows, how much respect they themselves pay to).
so a proper feedback of the process of passing the bill is needed. at the same time we will need to trust the ones carrying the baton for us and stay focussed on the real issue.
And most importantly we must start saying no to any type of corruption and bribery,as they say "charity begins at home". ------------- Learner... |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 13/Apr/2011 at 12:30pm
The first bill was tabled in 1969. Lets see how much longer this remains.
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Posted By: rdyn
Date Posted: 13/Apr/2011 at 4:38pm
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Done ------------- My aim is to read each and every post on TED! |
Posted By: LearningToFly
Date Posted: 13/Apr/2011 at 9:54pm
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I agree with Barla Jee. I think we are living in fools' paradize if we believe that fasting and facebook will somehow melt the heart of crooks, criminals, and scamsters who rule us. ------------- Success... at all cost. |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 13/Apr/2011 at 10:08pm
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Then CM Chimanbhai had to resign in '73 when Morarji Desai went on fast. He was no less than Pawar. It is not that they have heart, but they can not face pressure!! Why did they introduce RTI? Why did they start declaring income? Why did they got Raja and why did they gave Adarsh flats back? Its about public pressure. One interesting anecdote about ex-cm of Gujarat!! Police department asked for more perks and CM said we don't have budget but we will make rules tougher!! They didn't go on strike!! |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 13/Apr/2011 at 12:37pm
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But this is the first step
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Posted By: vinodmishra
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2011 at 7:51pm
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hi friends, it is great that the LOKPAL bill may come, but i would to point out that when we gained independence, democracy was brought in to bring the babus(Government servants) under the control of the comon public trough teir elected representatives, we all know what happened both of them joined hands in this loot and plunder of nature, Now the question arises who will guarantee the integrity of this LOKPAL well then lord(bhangwan) will have to take avatarr for this BHASMASUR....maybe after some years of show of acting strong against corruption if all join hands then bhai log 3 parties ko payment chalu ho jayegi....hahahhahaha ek lokpal ka aur hissa dena padega thnx n regards well i m with annaji just my thoughts in lighter sense, if i hurt some sentiments then sorry in advance |
Posted By: vinodmishra
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2011 at 7:53pm
| 3 parties means Babus, netas and the lokpal |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2011 at 11:11pm
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Well one need to understand what current group civil society is asking for. Swift case, Harsh Punishment and confiscation of assets of corrupt. This is not happening right now. So even if Lokpal becomes corrupt, fear will be there. And no need to be cynical about current members of Lokpal. Lets all pray that it passes as per wish of Civil Society which in interest of country. Mr. Arvind Kejriwal mentioned it correctly. Corruption right now is game of no risk and high return. So lets make a law where it is at least high risk too. This only will bring it down. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2011 at 12:23pm
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Congress n its most useless Neta Digvijay Siongh is back at its dirty trick department demonising the selfless Bhushans. Shame on you Congress the party of Kamalnath, Ashok Gehlot,Capt satish sharma,Sukh ram,Vilas rao Deshmukh, Ashok Chavan, ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: jamesvaikom
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2011 at 9:40am
| Anna has done lot of good things for our society. But I don't think Bhushans are selfless. I strongly believe that they helped many corrupt leaders to win cases through unjust ways. |
Posted By: numcru
Date Posted: 15/Apr/2011 at 10:17am
True, there was an alleged CD where Shanti Bhushan guy talks to Amar Singh where he says that the judge can be fixed for 4 crores. As they say Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan can be fixed, throw some money and u have a watered down bill. The Congress will have the last laugh seeing the corrupt father-son duo head the Anti-Corruption Task Force who are 100 crores rich. ------------- -66 and 93 |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 16/Apr/2011 at 12:03pm
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Surprised that though not a lot of them, some ppl are falling in trap !! One should know credentials of Digvijay Singh and Amar Singh. The way things are going, politicians will do their best to derail this process by creating different controversies. We should not listen to them. Just see what the draft is and then support it wholeheartedly. I am not worried about gimmicks of politicians. Only thing I am worried about is security of Anna Hazare. |
Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 16/Apr/2011 at 1:05pm
Just go through their track record.Which other advocates had the guts to publicly state that 8 of past 14 Chief Justices of India were corrupt & ready to be jailed under contempt law. Shanti Bhushan was the guy who fougt against Indira Gandhi & was responsible for Allahabad high court judgement against her. Lets not be that cynical. ------------- Share market is nothing but a game of temperament. Success mantra Right Price,Right Business,Patience, Conviction .Do not do panic buying or selling.It may be the only profession where inactivity pays |
Posted By: numcru
Date Posted: 16/Apr/2011 at 4:35pm
The name of Anna Hazare comes to 33 same as Indira Gandhi. So you are right in having apprehensions over his security. ------------- -66 and 93 |
Posted By: jamesvaikom
Date Posted: 16/Apr/2011 at 6:40pm
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TCSer
Just go through their track record. ------------------------------------------------------- He is giving legal advices to kerala CM. CM's son is alleged to have connections with a middle man for bribing supreme court judges. Bhushan agreed that voice is his. He only said that tape is edited. Amar Singh agreed that he got legal advice from Bhushan. Do you thing that Amar singh is decent gentle man to deal with? I am not 100% sure that he is guilt. I am only saying that he should face probe to prove his innocence. |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 16/Apr/2011 at 10:44pm
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I dont want to get into a debate here.
It looks like you guys have very little knowledge of the legal system in India.
It is better to post about the market then on the legal system.
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Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 16/Apr/2011 at 3:32am
He has filed an FIR and you have got what you had wanted, a probe. So Ramjethmalani takes all worst cases, should he be labeled bad as well. All these distractions are made to remove focus from the agenda. Agenda is not Shanti or Ashanti, it is LOKPAL. There is audio tape of meetings (not public I suppose) but draft should be put for public comments. That time you and me will know what deal we are going to get. |
Posted By: barla
Date Posted: 17/Apr/2011 at 8:46pm
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Holy Cow!!!
How can you say anything bad about Ram Jethmalani.
HE is a BJP MP.
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Posted By: jamesvaikom
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2011 at 10:04am
| Giving power to corporate lawyers like Bhushans is more clangorous than power enjoyed by corrupt politicians. I don't think Gandhian corporate lawyers like Shanti Bhushan are unaware that their clients like Ambanis pay bribe to politicians. If he gets power, irrespective of either we vote UPA or NDA to power, Bhushan will control the whole system. If we don't like an MP or MLA we can vote against him in next election. But we can't do much against Bhushans. So we must not support anyone blindly. |
Posted By: manishwithted
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2011 at 10:26am
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the power will not be given to the Bhusans but to the people nominated by Supreme court / govt / civil society. I had read an article about Prashant Bhusan in Times of india n it was very impressive. i think we need to have faith in the Lokpal joint committee. This is a big achievement in itself. nothing is 100 % perfect but this one will definitely be a big step in busting corruption to a large extent which the govt will never be able to do on its own. ------------- Long term thinking improves short term decision making - Brian Tracy |
Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 18/Apr/2011 at 11:57am
It is strange to see, one assuming Bhushan will get the power. They are drafting the bill which without any doubts have been superior to what govt had to offer. It will be scrutinized and criticized by the whole country. It is not like govt draft which was untouchable to the citizen. When did Bhushans got the power ? Do not other govt ministers have the power ? Can you dislodge any Rajya Sabha MP ? Why did constitution kept Rajyasabha at all ? Which minister is so clean? Lets talk about ministers. In Tamilnadu both chief ministers have been proven corrupt, which of them have been removed by the so called junta. Lets assume if there was no constitution or law as such then would your chosed public representative would have worked even 1%. The entire exercise is that assumption of self honesty has fallen flat on its face given no one from govt machinery has ever has gone to jail or nation has recovered the looted public property. Your notion of looking sideways is going to achieve nothing. One should take inspiration from Anna, how to be objective. |
Posted By: BGKGURU
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 12:13pm
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When I see that people take democracy as excuse to crticise anna and saying that if few people can take gov. What is the problem if something is going on for good then what is the problem. Look at what is going after andolan, whole corrupt politician led by congress supremo are doing dirty tricks. I m happy that now people know abt gandhi family. Many people wanted prrof abt corruption charges against gandhi family. Now whatever govt and congress is doing in case of ann hajare,hasan ali case(2-3 years no action),2g spectrum case,commonwealth case etc. It is all in public domain. ------------- Respect the Markets and do MAKE mistakes, but see to it that you can afford to stay in the markets even after the mistake-RJ |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 12:44pm
| Morally You can not go wrong if you take opposite side of Pawar and Amar and Digvijay blindly. |
Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 1:14pm
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To the critics: it is better to be approximately right then be precisely wrong. ------------- 'The Thoughtful Investor: A Journey to Financial Freedom Through Stock Market Investing' - A Book on Equity Investing especially for Indian Investors. Book your copy now: www.thethoughtfulinvestor.in |
Posted By: sheetal12
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 2:12pm
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though anna may be not political but the way some people with clear political agenda want this to be anna v/s congress thing it some how weakens the movement. and the way these people forget all from bangaru to yedirappa and what is happening in karnataka ,m.p. is amazing. one must appreciate politics like modi but what is the point in dragging digvijay with likes of pawar and amar singh. though u may not like his straight language. |
Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 5:29pm
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Who benefits on lose of reputation of Anna? How suddenly a 2006 CD comes after forming the panel? On whose behalf Amar Singh & Digvijay Singh is speaking? Has anyone from opposition ever spoke against Anna? Why Anna wrote a letter to Sonia Ji and not to Advani Ji or Sitaram Yetury? Why in so shameful manner Karan Thapar ran interviews with Arvind Khejriwal and Digvijay Singh? Why HT came out with authenticity of CD in just few hours whose test take upto 72 hours?
So many questions are unanswered atleast for me. Maybe everyone who played whatever action is convinced within himeslf and believe with full faith whatever they are doing is correct but I am still skeptical. As per your Digvijay Singh remark, do you remember widow of Karkare appealing him not to play politics. Such high regards for him. And what is this notion of him exercising his individual point of view, like his own party doesn't have any point of view? Why shadowboxing ? Who has forgotten bangaru, yedurappa and even more recent Anant Kumar in Arun Shaurie row? Thats precisely is the point of Anna that nobody is clean. BJP's tagline party with a difference has taken a big hit and they have no morale standing on corruption. There is absolutely nothing amazing in it. And what do you mean by *these* people? Who are these people? |
Posted By: sheetal12
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 5:47pm
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[QUOTE=vaib] . As per your Digvijay Singh remark, do you remember widow of Karkare appealing him not to play politics. Such high regards for him. widow of karkare says something, so what? is not subsequently it was establish that Karkare did spoke to digvijya before his tragic deth?
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Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 6:03pm
| I don't know because first Maharashtra govt denied it and later on BSNL said they don't have any records. And again try to color it wrt to particular religion when it was straight forward 26/11 case, doesn't bring high regards for him and is more cheap than Amar Singh on playing politics on death of an martyr. Even if you consider that his act was justified he pained the family and the nation exactly establishing what? His statement saying that he just quoted a fact and doesn't intend to hurt anyone again makes me fail to understand what was his point to start with. |
Posted By: sheetal12
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 7:07pm
| mr. digvijAy singh is no relative of mine but in 2003 he was the most hated CM madhya pradesh ever had and in election congress saw one of it worst defeat. but there were things to learn from his MISTaKES , some of which:- 1. he tried to reform bureacracy , closing divisional offices, creating & giving power to district planning committee so that decision could be taken at gressroot levels, curbing their ever incresing wages without productivity. so anger of government servants in election cost him dear 2. he was the first to demand a ban on SIMI so some of muslims were against him 3. in every state where there is problem of electricity , there is more power cuts in villages and Govt. ensures more power in state capitals and big cities but he foolishly end this discrimination and there were long power cuts in bhopal, indore, gwalior etc. that completely alienated urban population. 4. in one of the functions of our caste he was invited and president, secretary including my papa were expecting some promises from him regarding our community centre , giving more representation to our community etc. but he bluntly told them from stage that he cannot fulfill them but if they demand some thing which benefits state in general he will consider, people were furious and unite to teach him lesson, and it happened in many other functions which are organised by different castes & groups in which ministers are invited and they dole out promises for votes. 5. he ensured communal hormony and did not hesitate to take actions whether there were hindus or muslim, and for it he was not forgiven till now. it is noteworthy that not a single riot took place in his 10 years of tenure in m.p. he has lot of time left to be in politics and he will be making more enemies in times to come. and it is this habit of not making compromises tht i have high regards for him. |
Posted By: sheetal12
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 7:12pm
| whether one dies fighting pakis ,simi , chinese , hindu extremist , dons or criminal a martyr is a martyr . |
Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 7:17pm
| If he is so good why is he fighting those who are fighting against corruption? Did he raise his voice against corruption? What this panel of Civi Society is saying is that Punish corrupt swift and harsh! What is wrong about it? It is as simple as that. Govt didn't do it so Civil Society is trying a movement. |
Posted By: CapePoint
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 7:38pm
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I was there fasting for 4 days in Bangalore to bring little change which I can bring in the fight against corruption. With due regards to all of your feelings for/against anybody,please be united and aim for achieving a strong law against corruption.
Let the nominated Lokpal decide which minister/party/person is good or bad for Indians. Till then just support the process. All informed and educated people ...can we aim for something bigger, can we look at the bigger picture. I think we can then please use your energy in achieving this. That will make a lot of difference!!!! Curbing corruption and making sure the needy/poor gets 2 meals a day is the greatest philanthropy indirectly I can think of. please be the volunteer of the change. |
Posted By: itpro
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 7:41pm
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I agree with Sheetal... Digvijay is one... I also has some respect. In the election he had mentioned that if he loses the election then he will not take any post and will work for the party. He has done same thing... I guess if he wanted he could have been part of the council of minister.
Anna hazare is doing good thing... but i feel unconfortable when he
The way he has written to Sonia gandhi that there is a smear campaign going againts the civil society members then same is true againts the politicians... It is easy to blame politician but let me ask how many of you can manage a team of 10-15 people without any issues. They manage the full constituency.... a "lot" of them are good... but lot of them are bad also... It is the second half which is causing the problem.
blatantly call all politicians as corrupt... |
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Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 9:11pm
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Posted By: CapePoint
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 9:14pm
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Thanks Basant Sir
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Posted By: sheetal12
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 10:51pm
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we have to fight corruption at many levels. when A villager comes to office to simply take a copy of his land record he has to grease the palm and rate vary from 200 rs. to 1000. now just think daily how many copies of records handed out , it runs in hundreds at a block level and if you multiply it for all india imagine the amount of bribes given daily. our villagers are main victim of corruption as they have to give bribes for fulfilling their rightful needs unlike those big and rich people who gain by giving bribes. this is just an example. And who is responsible for it ? it is babu-politician nexus which need to be looked into. the main culprit is IAS lobby. collector is really mai baap. he is super human whose duty includes: from collection of revenue , law and order to development work in district. from holding election to auctioning of liqour shop, from mining to providing water. naturally he does not do justice to any thing. since development work means funds they do not let it go to any other cadre nor they want to loose their hold on revenue and law & order as it brings them real power.here they work in looting the nation with minister in charge of district. if they do not work according to ministers they can be transfer any time anywhere on insignificant duties where they do not get any extra money and if any party remains in power for more than 5 years that IAS can be frustrated in many ways. Solution is that development work should be taken away from collectors and a development commissioner should be posted in each district with managerial background , power of transfer should be taken away from politicians and an independant authority should be there to transfer and regulate service conditions of IAS and other cadres. in case of IPS officer it is more needed. transfer should not be used as a tool of punishment, if officer err he should be given harsh and immidiate punishment.
only than babu can say NO to politicians.
second thing is election reform. again main malpractices and irregularities happens at the polling booth. Before election Election commission send observer to each district whose first duty is to identify sensitive booths. here observer depends on local authorities who mark booths sensitive on past records and under pressure leave booths where irregularities most likely to be committed as normal or unsensitive. Election comission provide extra measure for only sensitive booth. in booths there are 4 to 5 personnal who are mainly lower clerks and primary teacher who work under a junior level officer. night before or on election day some one from ruling party who could either be a minister or very influential person comes to booth and humbly inquires from these govt employees if they are comfortable and need anything and then asks what department they belong to ,their post etc and gives enough hints that they can be transfer , suspended or punished if they do not behave on polling day since these employees know their powers they usually fall in line. considering this Election commission in last election decided to send an independent micro observer to each polling booth who are central govt. employee, now they were convinced at proper level that if they report any wrong to EC they will have to come many times at returning office and in courts and have to give evidances so why fall in all these difficulties, just enjoy our hospitality. there are many officers at many levels who are state govt employees who knows that even if EC suspend them the state govt. will surely award them if ruling party comes to power again. On polling day the whole govt machinary works under election commission and works for the ruling party. it is only due to overwhelming rejection by people and inefficient CMs that ruling parties lose election.
i will be posting cases of corruption at different levels.
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Posted By: manishdave
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 11:33pm
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All you have written is not going to change anything. Why are you blaming only IAS. Politicians take money from them too to get them "MALAIDAR" posts. Don't be naive. Only solution is punishment and confiscation of assets of corrupt. This is only and simple solution. That is most effective way and Civil Society is demanding that. So if Politicians are innocent they don't need to worry and if IAS lobby is only evil behind corruption why are politicians afraid of Lokpal bill? IAS can steal 100cr of 500cr or 1000 cr. But Minister can do one 2G or CWG that can run into thousands of crores. Most of us are not naive to buy IAS arguments. Sorry. We need effective Lokpal bill. Period. |
Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 1:08am
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"Anna hazare is doing good thing... but i feel unconfortable when he
blatantly call all politicians as corrupt..." - please go and read his statement, he never said all politicians corrupt. However system now is that when honest politician remains silent on known corruption, he is doing no service to the country. And your statement about Anna is absolutely wrong. Sheetal - At any point of time there will be a guy who is maai baap. You can't change that. Because someone has to take a decision. What Anna & bill is saying provision to punish that mai baap like humble praja. If you fail to understand that then god help you. And who the hell is Digvijay Singh to give personal opinion on naxalites, hindu extremist or calling Anna corrupt ? Why can't his party say all those things from a spokeperson. All this shadowboxing is ridiculous. If you fail to see big picture and want to enjoy pawns doing circus then its your choice. |
Posted By: itpro
Date Posted: 19/Apr/2011 at 10:51am
I have heard his statement when he was on fast. I appreciate him and hence was following his news. You can blame easily... i have a friend who got elected for a municipal corporation..... He used to tell us that people or the officials in the muncipal corporation won't listen to anyone. You have to have the political muscle to get the work done.
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Posted By: vaib
Date Posted: 20/Apr/2011 at 7:56pm
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And here comes the bouncer - one guy above objected digvijay singh to be kept in category of Amar Singh.
Congress' Digvijay calls Amar Singh his 'brother, friend and associate' - http://www.indianexpress.com/news/congress-digvijay-calls-amar-singh-his-brother-friend-and-associate/778786/ Sorry for putting up political news, but it had to be said. |