Agriculture stocksworth buying?
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Topic: Agriculture stocksworth buying?
Posted By: vikasjournalist
Subject: Agriculture stocksworth buying?
Date Posted: 15/Nov/2009 at 6:47pm
I am posting you response of Basant ji for my magazine. See the power of great analysis.
There are many agriculture stocks which has given tremendous return over the period when other sector stocks have not performed well. Investors in sugar stocks and other companies have reaped tremendous benefits. Agriculture growth in India has averaged between 2%-4% over several decades so the chances of making money by buying all agriculture related companies is low as compared to other sectors like Services which has is growing at 8%-10%. This is because ultimately the companies operating in a space will mirror the returns of the segment in which they operate. This brings us to the question of how agro commodities do so well after a few years. Now most agri commodities as sugar follow classic cyclical but if anyone is to believe in the India China theme of around 2.5 billion consumers being added to the demand side then all agri commodities would go through the big super cycle. I just want to know name of such stocks which have given very good return over the last 6 months or are there any stock which gave good return even in the meltdown? Renuka Sugar, Bajaj Hindustan, VST Tillers, M&M, Jain Irrigation have all done well. In the downturn I am not aware of any company that did very well.
2. Who are the promising companies in the sector and why they are promising? VST Tillers and Jain Irrigation are good bets in the conventional agro space whereas, Agrotech Foods and Marico are good bets in the Food processing space. Except VST the others are not cheap currently but a company like Marico never gets very cheap for investors to buy. 3. Discuss fundamentals of these companies in brief? Farming is a fraught with a strange paradox. The year the rains are good the produce is bountiful and the prices drop and the year rains are bad the produce drops but the prices go up so the framer does not on an average lose too much depending on the rains. The operative word is “on the average”. This is because the rich farmers who own large tracts of land and can mechanize their operations are able to reduce their loss in output due to irrigations systems and capitalize on the lower rains by selling at higher prices. My analysis of making money in agro stocks is to buy companies who cater to the rich farmer rather then the average farmer. Now in trying to play this theme a few segments come to mind: a) Fertilizers, Pesticides and Seeds: Fertilizer is a regulated business with the Govt. fixing a ceiling on the RoCE so manufacturers can make only as much and not more. In the seeds business the best bet remains Monsanto but the company is unwilling to launch its block buster variants in India unless our patent laws become more transparent. Apart from these there are a few other bets but none of thenm really worth an investment from the long term angle. b) Farm Mechanization: This is a promising area since here we start catering to the rich farmer. The best bet in this area would be VST Tillers, stock is available at 6.5 times Fy10; with healthy return ratios and stable growth. The value of the company’s land in Bangalore is expected to be a significant part of its market cap. The company is the leader in selling tillers and also imports Chinese Tractors. The other bet in this space is M&M but this is not a pure Tractor play since a major part of its revenue is derived from the automobile segment as well. Jain Irrigation is a long term growth story valuations are expensive right now and should be picked up only on big declines but over the next few years this company has the DNA to scale up in terms of size and penetration. c) Food Processing: This is really the big potential area but there are very few options available in the listed space. Some names that come to mind are Marico, Agrotech Foods and Nestle. Though like all other companies they are not cheap but still Marico at 18 times Fy11 earnings is a good long term bet. Nestle is expensive. But at 16 times Fy10 and around US $ 100 million market cap the dark horse is Agrotech Foods Ltd the subsidiary of the US based ConAgra. ATFL could become big if ConAgra decides to launch its International Food brands in India but for the moment it just remains a promising story. ATFL is exiting its Oil trading business and getting into high end processed foods but it is too early to speculate on whether it can do what Nestle has done.
Vikas Kumar
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Posted By: samirarora
Date Posted: 15/Nov/2009 at 7:25pm
Jain irrigation is a FII favourite and most of the company is actually owned by various FIIs...I looked at this very seriously some time back and then finally decided against Jain irrigation and focussed on Finolex Industries instead, which I thought made a nice proxy for the future in a nearly similar business and finolex as a brand has tremendous respect, although stock is a throwaway prices presently, i guess due to huge debt on balance sheet, but to my mind, a company like finolex will get out of it sooner or later.
Best wishes,
samir.
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Posted By: conficus
Date Posted: 18/Dec/2009 at 4:06pm
hi,
wud anybody have any inputs on Zuari Industries? It has a presence in fertilizers, seeds, etc - and seems pretty undervalues at 4-5 pe. further it has a 50% stake in chambal, and an 80% ownership of pradeep phospates - all make it a good value play - and even if it were to reach the industry pe of 11-12 - thats doubling the share price from the current 460-500.
kindly advice.
regards
conficus
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Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 19/Dec/2009 at 12:35pm
Originally posted by conficus
hi, wud anybody have any inputs on Zuari Industries? It has a presence in fertilizers, seeds, etc - and seems pretty undervalues at 4-5 pe. further it has a 50% stake in chambal, and an 80% ownership of pradeep phospates - all make it a good value play - and even if it were to reach the industry pe of 11-12 - thats doubling the share price from the current 460-500. kindly advice. regards conficus |
So many stocks are there =the old question may arrise again = how big in numbers a portfolio can be= diverisfied or diworsified but a stock in real diversified field can reduce the diworsification of a portfolio. Can Zuari be one of them?
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Posted By: conficus
Date Posted: 19/Dec/2009 at 2:31pm
hi,
The Center is framing a new industry-friendly fertilizer policy which will focus on issues like shortage, Union Minister for Chemicals and Fertilizers M.K. Alagiri said on Thursday.
This could be a huge huge trigger for fertilizer stocks as this will allow fdi, pvt partnerships etc, remove shortages, get foreign investments etc into this sector which till date has not yet been deregulated.
Also very shortly the gov is expected to lay out the new policy on govt subsidy on fertilizers - which again is expected to cut down on subsidies and also work on how to reach the subsidy direct to the farmer - basically circumventing the fertilizer companies which toady have to bear the subsidy burden on their books and many times get oil bonds and not cash from the gvt -this again is a HUGE trigger for the sector and stocks.
Any idea if there is any info any boarder has on these two ? expected when? etc - these cud be a huge trigger and possible re-rating of the sector and stocks in the coming weeks and might even see massive pe expansions of stocks in this sector. So input from fellow boarders will really be nice to hear.
These 2 development, coupled with pre-budget rally and hopefully a favorable budget for fertilizer stocks, and also the fact that zuari is 50% undervalued in terms of pe (5) compared to the industry pe of 11 - cud be a huge upside for this stock, and can easily double this stock from here. If this sector were to get re-rated a bit from 11 times pe to 16-17 times earnings, then zuari at 15 times earnings could basically treble from these levels to 1300-1500. Massive triggers and possibility.
gk and thoughts ?
Also Note :
zuari book value as on 31/03/09 was Rs 390/- considering working for current year eps of 150/ share book value will be around 540.
Market value of investment worth Rs 934 crores is nearly around 2000 crores i.e. net profit of around 1100 crores
if added to reserve book value works out to Rs 1100 per share. If merger with chambal and Paradip Phosphates get materials we will get a fertiser giant with small capital of around Rs 60-70 cores and net profit around 600 crores. If is eps of around 100 expecting share price around 2000 in a year or before that ..
Any other fellow boarders who have any inside info - pls share your thoughts.
regards
Conficus...
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Posted By: Kalyan
Date Posted: 22/Jan/2010 at 2:55pm
Vikasji, can you tell me a stock in india brouse likes Postash Corp. of Saskatchewan or Indian companies mining Potash.
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Posted By: conficus
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 1:41pm
hi,
is there any way to play the coffee story on the markets? are there any coffee distributors, manufacturers, retailers. Cafe cofee day etc are all unlisted. Any thoughts ideas from fellow boarders will really help. Just need a few cos which I can look at deeply to play the coffee theme over the next few months/years.
thanks a ton !
conficius
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 2:31pm
Tata Coffee. Seems too simplistic an idea but that is the only one that comes to mind the others like Harison Mallyalam have questionable managements.
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Posted By: RahulB
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 3:35pm
Key theme in agriculture will be around tools/inputs that can improve productivity and quality.
My pick for this theme is Coromandel International:
- Provides Phosphatic fertiliser, Pesticides, Speciality Nutrients (water soluble fertilizer, micro nutrients etc.) - High Moat: Strong brand equity in rural markets, Extensive distribution network, Raw Material Linkages - Good financials: Net profit (CAGR 5yrs): 70%; ROCE: 30% - Promoter integrity (part of Muruagappa Group) - Professional management (V Ravichandran (MD) is from IIM A) - Reducing regulatory risk: new fertilizer policy, increased focus on financial empowerment of rural areas etc. - Sensible growth strategy: (http://www.coromandel.biz/downloads/ChairmansPresentation_25thSeptember2009.pdf)
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Posted By: bihisello
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 5:44pm
They will also get into organic fertilizer (compost-based) to address soil imbalance.
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Posted By: conficus
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 5:50pm
Posted By: Kalyan
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 11:53pm
Conficus u can also look at CCL Products.
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Posted By: conficus
Date Posted: 09/May/2010 at 9:09am
Posted By: bihisello
Date Posted: 16/May/2010 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by RahulB
Key theme in agriculture will be around tools/inputs that can improve productivity and quality.
My pick for this theme is Coromandel International:...
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RahulB, you can see this: Coromandel
International: Buy
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/iw/2010/05/16/stories/2010051650160900.htm
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Posted By: karn
Date Posted: 19/May/2010 at 8:20am
Originally posted by basant
Tata Coffee. Seems too simplistic an idea but that is the only one that comes to mind the others like Harison Mallyalam have questionable managements.
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Bsanatji, 2-3 times in this forum, i have observed yourself interested in coffee sector. I will eventually get some tata coffee shares from my consolidated coffee holding. Are you looking from the angle of domestic consumption or export. please comment
regards,
K.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/May/2010 at 9:50am
Coffee is a great story but in retailing. A copy of Starbucks for instance should do well but the problem with Ratan Tata is he has made Tata tea a marketing company and Tata Coffee remains a producing entity.
Someone should tell him that he would have done better with marketing coffee and producing Tea.
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Posted By: conficus
Date Posted: 19/May/2010 at 9:52am
The same coffee gets multiplied in value some 10 times over when sold by costa coffee or CCD. yes i agree the real value creation is there. not with the coffee producers.
cheers
Confucius
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Posted By: karn
Date Posted: 21/May/2010 at 4:53pm
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Posted By: vinvestor2010
Date Posted: 21/May/2010 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by basant
Coffee is a great story but in retailing. A copy of Starbucks for instance should do well but the problem with Ratan Tata is he has made Tata tea a marketing company and Tata Coffee remains a producing entity.
Someone should tell him that he would have done better with marketing coffee and producing Tea.
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Hi Basantji two interesting points
-Tata used to own a stake in Barista , but they sold it I do not know why though
-CCD might be planning an IPO as is my hunch. They just had an http://businesstoday.intoday.in/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14794§ionid=22&issueid=83&Itemid=1 - article in Business Today . it looks like a Pre IPO ad  . Though I must say he has done a brilliant job with vertical integration and capturing all possible price points. He is also SM Krishna (foreign minister) son in law so he can go global.
After Jubiliant IPO I think we will see a flood of food IPO's if things remain ok.
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Posted By: karn
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2010 at 1:06pm
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Posted By: bihisello
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2010 at 1:25pm
Hi Karn, I didn't get your point. Please elaborate.
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Posted By: karn
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2010 at 2:00pm
Bhisello, able to dig out a report for you dated 2nd November 1998. Please have a look.
%20 - http://www.india-today.com/itoday/02111998/biz.html
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Posted By: pkumar
Date Posted: 05/Jul/2010 at 12:17pm
Some more stocks that can be discussed
Kaweri seeds
Advanta India
Rallis
TATA Chemicals
Mahindra& Mahindra
Kirlosker
Bayer Crop
DCM Sriram Consolidated
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Posted By: pkumar
Date Posted: 05/Jul/2010 at 12:25pm
I am adding Parry AGro for cofee lovers
JK Agri Genetics
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Posted By: nannu_68
Date Posted: 05/Jul/2010 at 1:57pm
Jain Irrigation ??
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Posted By: pkumar
Date Posted: 05/Jul/2010 at 3:41pm
Vikas has already mentioned Marico, Agrotech Foods Nestle, VST Tillers, Jain Irrigation Monsanto so i did not mention those
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Posted By: bihisello
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2010 at 8:01pm
Originally posted by RahulB
Key theme in agriculture will be around tools/inputs that can improve productivity and quality. My pick for this theme is Coromandel International... |
Good Q1 results, I think. Stock is quietly making new highs!
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Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2010 at 8:47pm
Originally posted by bihisello
Good Q1 results, I think. Stock is quietly making new highs! |
Promoter of coromandel is eid parry. Market cap of EID Parry is around 3470 crores and Value of Coromandel holding is (8.82 cr shares) around 4400 crores. Fy 10 eps for EID was around 23. (Debt of EID is around 575 crores for fy 10)
It seems the sugar business of EID is there for free with some money to spare.
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Posted By: mohitrathi8
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2010 at 11:43pm
That is a fact I have also observed for quite some time. The good thing is EID also gives good dividends like Coromandel so its not a holding company trap. Also, EID is setting up a sugar refinery with Cargill which should give it good cash flows in the future and some protection against the sugar cycle. Which brings me to my last point. All sugar stocks have slumped with the sugar bull run getting over but eid parry actually made a new high some days back.
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Posted By: KACHAM
Date Posted: 28/Oct/2010 at 11:28pm
In my Humble opinion, agriculture,education and leisure will be the key drivers and beneficiaries of the India growth story..
based on the other discussions at TED, i have decied on VST, pls suggest any other good companies at reasonable valuations.
Thanks
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 29/Oct/2010 at 1:23pm
whats the view on ssp mfertilizer makers specially in view of new NBS scheme launch?
these stocks can be multibaggers.
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Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 29/Oct/2010 at 1:25pm
has khaitan fert come out with great results today leading to UC
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Posted By: harsh_in
Date Posted: 30/Oct/2010 at 9:27am
guys, also look at BASF India
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Posted By: ppmatkari
Date Posted: 30/Oct/2010 at 11:56am
Any thoughts about Rallis India, tea stocks like Mccleod Rusell, Jayshree tea?
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