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Topic: Cummins India
Posted By: taswsol
Subject: Cummins India
Date Posted: 06/Jul/2008 at 5:38pm
Cummins India Will get back on the consistent growth track Catering
to well diversified market segments, the company should continue to
grow its sales at healthy rates and recover the profit margins, which
were affected by one-time factors
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| BSE Code | 500480 | NSE Code | CUMMINSIND | Bloomberg | KKC@IN | Reuter | CUMM.BO | 52-week High/Low | Rs 463 / Rs 265 | Current Price | Rs 295 (as on 30th May 2008) |
Cummins India (CIL) is an integrated engine, equipment and component
manufacturer - it operates in market segments that include power
generation equipment, commercial vehicles and, industrial equipment and
applications (such as construction and earth moving equipment,
compressors, pumps and cranes). Nearly 45% of the total sales come from
sales of engines to Power Generation sector, 15% to industrial sector,
5% to Automobiles sector, 30% to exports and the rest from spare parts.
In automobile sector, the company has engines based on duel fuel
technology ie, natural gas and diesel. The company has won the CNG bus
orders from Tata Motors of 2500 engines (each engine is worth around Rs
3-4 lakh). Subsidiary of a strong parent Cummins
Inc. (which holds 51% equity stake in the company) is a global power
leader and is a corporation of complementary business units that
design, manufacture, distribute and service engines and related
technologies, including fuel systems, controls, air handling,
filtration, emission solutions and electrical power generation systems.
Headquartered in Columbus, Indiana, (USA) Cummins serves customers in
more than 160 countries and territories through its network of 550
company-owned and independent distributor locations and more than 5,000
dealer locations. With more than 28,000 employees worldwide, March 2008 quarter was affected by one time factors For
the quarter ended Mar’08, the net sales grew by 33% to Rs 670.00 crore.
OPM fell by 530 bps to 11.0%, which resulted in fall in operating
profit by 11% to Rs 73.64 crore. However, interest declined by 64% and
depreciation grew by 23% leading PBT to increase by 13% to Rs 110.61
crore. The dip in the effective tax rate (by 100 bps) helped Net Profit
to grow by 15%. - The
OPM of the company for the quarter ended Mar’08 stood at 11% via a vis
16.3% y.o.y. The margins were hit badly due to the following reasons
(most of which are of exceptional nature): -
- There
was a retrospective revision in pricing of steel (pig iron) of the
previous nine months during this quarter by the suppliers. As a result
of which the company got hit by around 200 basis points in margins (150
due to previous nine months increase and 50 basis points for the
quarter)
- The Pune
Municipality increased Octroi for the import of some components from 3%
to 7% from Jan’08, which lead to 50 basis points reduction in margins.
However, the company is confident that after negotiations with
government, the same will be brought back to 3% by June’08
- Exchange
rate loss of Rs 27 crore (for the year and around 9 crore for the
quarter as against exchange gain in the corresponding previous
quarter). The exports stand around 30% of the total sales and the
company is net exporter. The exports grew by 22% in dollar terms and
20% in rupee terms.
- Change
in product mix. The production of lower engine category (below 160 KVA
capacity) was more vis a vis corresponding previous year. The low
capacity engine have lower margins vis a vis heavy duty and high horse
power engine. (More than 350 KVA). Presently the low engine represents
12% of sales, mid range engine (range between 160 KV-250 KV) represents
25% of sales, heavy duty engine (range 250-350 KV) represents 10%,
spares contributes around 8%, while the rest is contributed by high
horse power (more than 350 KV). While the trend in product mix will
continue, because the demand for low horsepower engine is more and is
increasing, the company will try to maintain the optimum balance within
the same.
According
to Mr. Anant Talaulicar, Chairman, Cummins India " 'It has been another
year of very respectable performance improvement by the Company with
business growing strongly in both domestic and export markets. We are
investing aggressively in our people, new customer relationships, new
products and additional manufacturing capacity to sustain our
profitable growth. Unfortunately, as expected, the company’s bottom
line performance this quarter was impacted by unprecedented increases
in commodity prices over the past few months, the appreciation of the
Rupee against the dollar when compared with the previous year, as well
as a sudden decision by the Pune administration to raise Octroi charges
on imported inputs. In spite of these adverse factors we were able to
grow our profits for the quarter, compared to the corresponding quarter
last year. As we look ahead, we could look forward to continued profit
growth particularly if commodity prices and the exchange rate levels
out.' Capacity expansions on track The
two new manufacturing facilities for manufacturing diesel engines
became operational from Jan’08 at Pirangut near Pune and one in
Ranjangaon. The company had spent around Rs 100 crore for FY’08 and
expects to spend another Rs 150 crore for FY’09. However there is no
theoretical term of capacity as it largely depends upon the engine
size. So overall, the company has mentioned that the capacity is 30%
higher than the previous year. The
capacity expansions at Phaltan, near Pune is progressive beyond their
expectations and the full fledge capacity will be operational by the
end of this calendar year. The company will manufacture engines both
for exports and for domestic marker. Reasonable valuation For
FY 2009 we expect Cummins India to report consolidated sales of Rs
3032.38 crore, net profit of Rs 389.41 crore and consolidated EPS of Rs
19.7. Current price of Rs 295 discounts this less than 15 times. | 0503 (12) | 0603 (12) | 0703 (12) | 0803(12) | 0903 (12P) | Net Sales | 1490.24 | 1806.92 | 2156.83 | 2655.00 | 3032.38 | OPM % | 11.8 | 14.0 | 16.0 | 14.1 | 15.7 | OP | 176.35 | 252.85 | 345.42 | 373.80 | 474.96 | Other income | 67.14 | 64.54 | 91.17 | 131.00 | 134.12 | PBIDT | 243.49 | 317.39 | 436.59 | 504.80 | 609.08 | Interest | 4.13 | 4.52 | 6.46 | 2.50 | 2.64 | PBDT | 239.36 | 312.87 | 430.13 | 502.30 | 606.26 | Depreciation | 40.64 | 39.04 | 38.10 | 38.30 | 43.83 | PBT | 198.72 | 273.83 | 392.03 | 464.00 | 562.42 | Tax | 65.29 | 90.19 | 124.06 | 139.60 | 173.01 | PAT | 133.43 | 183.64 | 267.97 | 324.40 | 389.41 | EPS (Rs)* | 6.7 | 9.3 | 13.5 | 16.4 | 19.7 | Annualised on current equity of Rs 39.60 crore, Face Value: Rs 2 Figures in Rs crore Source: Capitaline Corporate Database | Cummins India: Standalone Results | | 0803(3) | 0703(3) | Var (%) | 0803(12) | 0703(12) | Var (%) | Sales | 670.00 | 504.91 | 33 | 2330.78 | 1840.78 | 27 | OPM (%) | 11.0 | 16.3 | | 13.2 | 16.0 | | OP | 73.64 | 82.34 | -11 | 306.92 | 294.67 | 4 | Other income | 46.39 | 23.64 | 96 | 122.71 | 85.34 | 44 | PBIDT | 120.03 | 105.98 | 13 | 429.63 | 380.01 | 13 | Interest | 0.41 | 1.14 | -64 | 0.67 | 1.41 | -52 | PBDT | 119.62 | 104.84 | 14 | 428.96 | 378.60 | 13 | Depreciation | 9.01 | 7.35 | 23 | 32.96 | 32.60 | 1 | PBT | 110.61 | 97.49 | 13 | 396.00 | 346.00 | 14 | Tax | 35.01 | 31.81 | 10 | 115.31 | 103.95 | 11 | Net Profit | 75.60 | 65.68 | 15 | 280.69 | 242.05 | 16 | EPS | 15.3 | 13.3 | | 14.2 | 12.2 | | Annualised on current equity of Rs 39.60 crore, Face Value: Rs 2 EO: Extraordinary items EPS is calculated after excluding EO and relevant tax Figures in Rs crore PL: Profit to Loss; LP: Loss to Profit Source: Capitaline Corporate Database | Cummins India: Segment Results | Standalone | | | | | | | | | Consolidated | | | Particulars | 0803(12) | 0703(03) | (%) of Total | Var (%) | 0803(12) | 0703(12) | (%) of Total | Var (%) | 0803(12) | 0703(12) | (%) of Total | Var (%) | Segment Revenue | | | | | | | | | | | | | Engine business | 612.96 | 469.78 | 90 | 30 | 2129.77 | 1710.05 | 91 | 25 | 2566.86 | 2185.02 | 87 | 17 | Others | 65.01 | 39.81 | 10 | 63 | 222.43 | 150.58 | 9 | 48 | 366.86 | 198.80 | 13 | 85 | Total Sales | 677.97 | 509.59 | 100 | 33 | 2352.20 | 1860.63 | 100 | 26 | 2933.72 | 2383.82 | 100 | 23 | Less : Inter-Segment Revenue | 0.00 | 0.00 | | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | 0 | 240.48 | 226.52 | | 0 | Net Sales | 677.97 | 509.59 | | 33 | 2352.20 | 1860.63 | | 26 | 2693.24 | 2157.30 | | 25 | Segment Results | | | | | | | | | | | | | PBIT | | | | | | | | | | | | | Engine business | 84.65 | 81.17 | 93 | 4 | 310.86 | 284.92 | 92 | 9 | 363.64 | 335.61 | 88 | 8 | Others | 6.74 | 5.40 | 7 | 25 | 28.58 | 16.85 | 8 | 70 | 48.43 | 23.03 | 12 | 110 | Total Segment Results | 91.39 | 86.57 | 100 | 6 | 339.44 | 301.77 | 100 | 12 | 412.07 | 358.64 | 100 | 15 | Less: Intra-group eliminations | 0.00 | 0.00 | | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | 0 | 0.85 | 1.85 | | 0 | Interest (Net) / Dividend Income | 0.41 | 1.14 | | -64 | 0.67 | 1.41 | | -52 | 2.54 | 6.46 | | -61 | Other Unallocable Income net off Unallocable (Expenditure) | 19.63 | 12.06 | | 63 | 57.23 | 45.64 | | 25 | 55.82 | 41.70 | | 34 | EO | 0.00 | 0.00 | | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | 0 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | 0 | PBT | 110.61 | 97.49 | | 13 | 396.00 | 346.00 | | 14 | 464.50 | 392.03 | | 18 | Capital Employed | | | | | | | | | | | | | Engine business | 654.12 | 663.21 | 91 | -1 | 654.12 | 663.21 | 91 | -1 | 709.89 | 715.58 | 91 | -1 | Others | 68.41 | 25.88 | 9 | 164 | 68.41 | 25.88 | 9 | 164 | 68.63 | 36.48 | 9 | 88 | Aggregate for the company | 722.53 | 689.09 | 100 | 5 | 722.53 | 689.09 | 100 | 5 | 778.52 | 752.06 | 100 | 4 | Source: Capitaline Corporate Database |
Thank You
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Posted By: kumarrvq
Date Posted: 06/Jul/2008 at 8:16pm
Cummins India - This company seems to be in right growth path, I have seen for most of the telcome tower using Cummins silent generators. With telecom growth story this company is bound to grow.
But only concern is that it is a Subsidiary of Cummins Inc, normally these foreign companies don't need money from public, wheather it is shareholder friendly is not is a question. I would say take an eg. of Castrol Oil, it has not at all moves anywhere during 2003-08 bull run period.
Personally I would like to give such companies a pass, because it is the case of another HLL or Colgate type subsidiary.
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Posted By: taswsol
Date Posted: 24/Jul/2008 at 3:57pm
Cummins India net profit rises 37.83% in the June 2008 quarter
Net profit of Cummins India rose 37.83% to Rs 88.24 crore in the
quarter ended June 2008 as against Rs 64.02 crore during the previous
quarter ended June 2007. Sales rose 30.37% to Rs 707.03 crore in the
quarter ended June 2008 as against Rs 542.34 crore during the previous
quarter ended June 2007.
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Posted By: taswsol
Date Posted: 23/Oct/2008 at 4:50pm
Cummins India net profit rises 41.32% in the September 2008 quarter
Net profit of Cummins India rose 41.32% to Rs 93.92 crore in the
quarter ended September 2008 as against Rs 66.46 crore during the
previous quarter ended September 2007. Sales rose 53.04% to Rs 808.38
crore in the quarter ended September 2008 as against Rs 528.21 crore
during the previous quarter ended September 2007.
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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 23/Oct/2008 at 6:15pm
Originally posted by kumarrvq
<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cummins India - This company seems to be in right growth path, I have seen for most of the telcome tower using Cummins silent generators. With telecom growth story this company is bound to grow.
But only concern is that it is a <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Subsidiary of <SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Cummins Inc, normally these foreign companies don't need money from public, wheather it is shareholder friendly is not is a question. I would say take an eg. of Castrol Oil, it has not at all moves anywhere during 2003-08 bull run period.</SPAN></SPAN>
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<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Personally I would like to give such companies a pass, because it is the case of another HLL or Colgate type subsidiary.</SPAN></SPAN> </SPAN> |
Not really. Say if you had invested in Kirloskar Oil 3 years, you would have lost 60% whereas for Cummins you would have gained 60% over 3 years.
Nestle another MNC subsidary is 4 bagger in last 3 years.
Over a long period of time only profit counts. But, having said that, we need to wary of companies who have unlisted subsidaries.
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 23/Oct/2008 at 11:01am
sold cummins at 280 odd levels......
will buy again if get below 180...........
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Posted By: taswsol
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2008 at 5:42pm
Below 180 from current / todays level seems very hard. Lets se.. if go..I will add more...
Well, can you explore how you calculated 180 range? or any information!
Thanks
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Posted By: manish_okhade
Date Posted: 24/Oct/2008 at 10:26pm
Being an insider i can assure you about product quality and management ability.
On the downside though past 5 yrs numbers look impressive but i am not seeing any strong growth driver to make it a multi-bagger. Upside from Cummins in medium term will be modest.
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 11/Dec/2008 at 10:52am
bought cummins yesterday at 185........
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 12/Dec/2008 at 12:10pm
WHat's the story here?
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Posted By: shivkumar
Date Posted: 12/Dec/2008 at 3:40pm
pumps and engines. clients include foreign companies and auto companies like Tata Motors who are bearing the brunt of recession. Order book seems to have seen zero growth in the current quarter and it is firing people across the board. But huge reserves and good quality infrastructure. Expects bounce back in 18-24 months.
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 13/Dec/2008 at 8:05pm
the scrip touching 52 week low, was a long term holder sold some at 270,350,380 in dec jan, now covering back at 185-200. good scrip with robust management.......
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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 2:38pm
Any news on this?
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 9:42am
any idea why this scrip is down 20% after announcing such good results.
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 9:43am
Cummins India Ltd has informed BSE regarding a Press Release dated
January 29, 2009 titled "Cummins India Ltd Sales for Q3 2008-09 up 27%;
Net Profit Before Tax up 74.3%; Declares Interim Dividend of 200%".
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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 11:12am
This had not corrected as much as other engine/auto manufaturers. With world in a recessionary phase either volume or marging or both will definitely take a hit over next couple of Qs
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 29/Jan/2009 at 11:21am
Maybe the guys owing cars will change the engine instead of changing the car! But even Exide has not crashed as much as the auto makers probably wit the replacement logic.
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Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2009 at 2:18pm
Yes. replacement logic is correct. They are also a major supplier to railways and telecom where story is still intact.Exide is being also supported by their 50% stake in ING Vysya Insurance.
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Posted By: furkanalam
Date Posted: 30/Jan/2009 at 2:55pm
Absolutely replacement logic clearly points to a steady source of revenue unlike for car manufacturers......
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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 10/Feb/2009 at 7:19pm
Today's ET Insider Trading shows that LIC bought a ton of Cummins.
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Posted By: equity analyst
Date Posted: 10/Feb/2009 at 10:15pm
thats .55% of cummins.
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Posted By: 9StockPortfolio
Date Posted: 10/Feb/2009 at 10:49pm
My calculation says 125 is the right price for cummins, that's why price is following value these days..anyways it's just a comment as i am not interested in cummins.
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Posted By: kannanravi1
Date Posted: 09/Jun/2009 at 1:01pm
http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessline/iw/2000/07/09/stories/0509e051.htm - http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessline/iw/2000/07/09/stories/0509e051.htm
Good article on Cummins India, though a bit old. Figures may be outdated, but the article has some decent bit of analysis on the engine industry and has some good info on the competitive landscape. Their biggest revenue generator is captive power generation and the target industry is IT, Telecom, food processing industry, construction, oil fields, locomotives - almost a list of all the major thrust areas for India's growth. Looks like a financially well run company, is a market leader by a good margin, and has excellent brand name globally. This should be an add at dips at current levels IMO. What say Equity Analyst?

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Posted By: Ravenrage
Date Posted: 27/Aug/2011 at 7:01pm
Love Valvoline products ... Should compete well in coming years .
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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 11/Nov/2011 at 11:11pm
Conference Call
Cummins India
Margin pressure to continue for 2 more quarters due to adverse product mix and higher raw material prices
Cummins India held a conference call on 11 Nov'11 and was addressed by Anant J Talaulicar, CMD.
Key highlights
Cummins India reported flat y.o.y sales growth to about Rs 1070 crore. Exports which was up by 14% y.o.y and Automotive engine sale which was up by 50% albeit on low base, helped the flat growth, while the Power genset business was down 25% y.o.y, industrial gen sets down by about 6% y.o.y.
Operating margins was further lower to about 16.5% largely due to adverse product mix and higher commodity prices y.o.y. Management indicated that the Upper range product mix was lower during the quarter while the lower range product mix did better which affected the margins by about 200 basis points. In fact in power gen set business the upper horse power (HP) range of engines stood at about 30% of total power engine sale which used to stand around 45% and the lower HP gen set business stood at about 35% of the total power gen set business which otherwise remain around 20% on an average.
Management expects the margin to be under pressure for next 2 more quarters as the adverse product mix will continue. Overall about 100 basis points fall in margins compared to Q2 FY'12 can be possible.
Indian economy continued to grow and every sector is growing but at lower pace. This is what is hurting the growth. The company at the beginning of the year expected net sales growth of about 20% and now it expects to end to around 8-10% y.o.y, as project delays, infrastructure bottleneck, lower capex spending and commodity prices are hurting.
According to the management, the effect of hike in interest rates by RBI is clearly visible in the industry causing delays in projects and overall GDP slowing down. If the commodity prices cool off from this level and due to political pressure, orders start coming in, then the scenario can be different from what management is envisaging in H2 FY'12.
However, management continues to remain optimistic about the future. It would continue its capex program of about Rs 200 crore for the year FY'12 as the long term story is still intact. Further exports have bottomed out and now with exports of small gen sets expected to grow steadily, management wants itself to be ready for the capacity as and when the uptick in growth happens.
Effective tax rate to continue to remain at around 30% for FY'12.
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Posted By: shontou
Date Posted: 14/Feb/2012 at 10:01pm
Conference Call
Cummins India
Margin improvement was led by favorable rupee and cost cutting measures
Cummins India held a conference call on 10th Feb'12 and was addressed by Anant J Talaulicar, CMD
Net sales for Cummins India were flat for Q3 FY'12 on y.o.y basis and were lower by about 9% on q.o.q basis.
Domestic and export sales both were lower by 10% and 9% respectively on q.o.q basis which was inline with the management's guidance.
Of the total sales, about 70% was from domestic market and rest from exports.
Of the domestic sales, about 25% is from power generation segment, 15% from industrial segment, 20% from distribution and the rest 5-6% from automotive
segment.
Power generation degrew by 9% on y.o.y and q.o.q basis, industrial business grew by 30% on q.o.q and was flat on y.o.y basis, automotive degrew by 37% on q.o.q basis , but was up by 24% on y.o.y basis and distribution was more or less grew by 3-4% on y.o.y and q.o.q basis.
According to the management, for all sectors including the power generation, the worst seems to be over. But it is difficult to determine the pace of growth from here.
Also what was expected about the softening of commodity prices, are yet to be seen as either the prices are rising or are steady. Also general inflation continues to prevail.
Margin for the quarter improved to 17.9% unlike the earlier guidance of management of around 16.5% margin which was for the Q2 FY'12. Adverse product mix and higher raw material prices (about 100 bps) continued to hurt the company. However, the margin improvement was primarily led by favorable rupee (about 190 bps) and cost cutting measures (about 150 bps).
During the quarter, the sale of High Horse power engines were down by 20% while the smaller range which is less than 160 KVA were higher by 35% y.o.y, thus hurting the overall product mix and margins.
On capex front, management is very much on track and for Calendar year (CY) 2011 has invested about Rs 275 crore.
Similarly for CY'12, CY'13 and for CY'14, overall capex plans stands at around Rs 400 crore, Rs 500 crore and Rs 300 crore respectively. Apart from capacity creation at Phalton site, ramping up distribution capacity, addition of small engine capacity; the capex also includes about Rs 175 crore to be spent on infrastructure linked to the overall capex like, office campus for employees, Khotrud clinical centre etc.
The company has cash and cash equivalent of about Rs 800 crore. During the quarter, higher other income was largely due to higher treasury income and dividend income of Rs 6 crore from subsidiary and there was no one offs.
Currently the low HP exports stands around Rs 200-220 crore which will double in next few years. Overall for exports, management does not see any worry at this moment.
Overall, for FY'13, management has given guidance of domestic sales to grow in higher teens and export at lower teens. Margin to remain same as FY'12 levels.
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