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What to buy in a rising Interest rates scenario?

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Topic: What to buy in a rising Interest rates scenario?
Posted By: basant
Subject: What to buy in a rising Interest rates scenario?
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2006 at 1:14pm

The last few weeks have been painful. People have broken both their hearts and lost their wallets. I tried to do a soul searching of why the PE of so many stocks was falling. I would not say that prices were falling because we have all said that so many times yet they continue to fall and fall and fall – as if there is no tomorrow. A dear friends calls me up each time the market is down by more then 200 pts and says – India kya khatam ho gaya kya? I have no clear answers. Sometimes we blame the LME metal prices sometimes the crude factor, sometimes, Bombay blasts, sometimes the DMK threat. Come one there has to be one cause for one effect. The bottom-line is nobody knows what will happen. Yet we never miss an opportunity to provide our piece of advice. Markets may fall a bit and then stay in a range to consolidate before rising by October, November… Now if some body can prove these theories he would qualify for a noble prize!! I am sure he would they would not even sit down to discuss they will just decide and the winner can walk away with all that wealth.

 

Text books claim that when interest rates go up the market PE declines. That is the market PE =(1/interest rates) but why does this happen. I tried to look for some answers.

 

Ø       Buffet always suggested that investors should do a Discounted Cash Flow of stocks. That is the company’s free cash flow in the nest 5 or 7 years be discounted at some inflation adjusted rate called the cost of capital. If the discounting factor goes up (rising interest rates increase the cost of capital) then the final answer has to be lower. Hence lower stock prices or lower PE’s take it the way you like.

 

Ø       Also companies that are engaged in expansionary activities and employ a lot of debt show lower profits (as the interest costs go up) leading to lower E.P.S and lower stock prices.

 

In the aforesaid event Investors would do well to focus on investment into sectors that remain unaffected by interest rates like consumer pharmaceutical, media etc. On the other hand investors should do away from investing into sectors like Capital goods (raising capacities will be costlier), Banking, cyclical..

 

Before I ring the death knell let me the interest rate cycle may let me share with you some past data. During the previous interest rate up cycle in 1994 – 2000 we had some stocks that did extraordinarily well. Take a look at the names like  Infosys, Wipro, Satyam, HDFC Bank, Dr. Reddy’s so if an investor holding an assorted portfolio of these stocks would have sold in 1994 since he apprehended rising interest rates I am not sure if he would have recovered from the shock.

 
Any ideas on this and we will be able to take the arguments further.

 



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Posted By: rohit
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2006 at 4:22pm

In the present scenario the markets are very volatile.We have observed in the past few weeks the market changes are unpredictable and there is a situation of rising interest rates.In the past few weeks the NAV`s of the mutual funds have shed around 40%, stock prices have also fallen and looks attractive now.We know that stocks generally outperform in the long term.so to avoid this market volatility one should take long positions in the stocks that are reasonable or should be investing in mutual funds.Volatility in the stock markets is a natural phenomenon. More often than not, markets remain volatile over the shorter term and in the long term they generally go up. There are strategies to turn volatility to one's advantage. One such strategy is to invest systematically over a period of time. By following a disciplined approach, one invests at different level of markets instead of timing the market. This in a way ensures that the average cost is lower than the average NAV and that ensures the growth over the longer term.



Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 19/Jul/2006 at 10:57pm
Absolutely because over a period of time(2 years+) with our GDP growing at more then 7%+ there is no reason why our markets should not do well. If some body wants to sell stocks the basic call that he would need to take is that
 
a) Our GDP falls to about 5.5% or thereabouts
b) This fall in GDP has a direct negative bearing on corporate profitabililty.
 
Most of the analysts that we hear on Tv are talking about an impending bear market based on factors like traders psychology, sentiment, leverage etc etc. The point that needs to be taken into account is that these aspects affect only the short term movements in the market. Didn't Warren Buffet say that the markets behave like voting machines in the short term and like weighing machines in the longer term. I am not aware of any body who made any serious money by selling stocks when interest rates and sentiments hardened and vice versa. yes you could shift from one sector to another but selling out in panic to buy back later would reflect more haste then reason.


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Posted By: shuchi
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2006 at 1:13am
in the rising interest scenario ...i would like to know about the advantages and disadvantages of buying a stock in the banking sector . as i feel , northward direction of interest rates should bring down the investment portfolios of the banks as majority of the portfolio consists of bonds which r inversely related to interest rates , but at the same time , the banks can charge a higher interest rates on the loans advanced .....because if the economy has to grow , there shud not be a slump in cororate borrowings


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 27/Jul/2006 at 10:32am
Good way of looking at things. Most of the G-secs and treasuries held by the banks are priced in the balance sheet according to HTM method.The most impoprtant thing is to observe how the NIM is moving. the bonds prices losses consitute notional losses...As far as  charging higher interest rates is concerned, you need to look at theor asset liabilty match to determine the impact.


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 01/Sep/2006 at 11:23pm
It appears that the market has forgotten the rising interest rates. Why is it that these fears haunt us only when stocks fall and not when they go up.The general belief would now be that it is "doiscounted in the price"
think about it not discounted at 8800 and discounted at 11,800. When bad news gets discounted into the price stocks fall off not rise again.
 
Meanwhile our Banking stocks (refer above) are all up in gains. What has changed over the last one month is difficult to fathom? Yes, I heard some one say that sentiments have so that is why they say that to make money it depends on your time horizon
 
             Making money in short term 
               
                            Requires 
 
        Luck = Sentiments + Liquidity + News flow 
 
                                Result
 
                            Gloom & Doom 
 
         
 
                  Making money in the long term
 
                                   Requires-  
             
             Skills + Knowledge = Corporate Fundamentals 
 
                                   Results
 
                  in prosperity wealth and happiness.


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Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 01/Sep/2006 at 10:46am

Intresting Analysis of the Intrest Rates structure......

That is why i try to look at the message of the markets for greater clarity...A very intresting thing happened day before yesterday.....ECB head Jean trichet hinted a clear hike in their next meeting, but just then the European Bunds (traded in FrankFurt) rallied, while the rates sold off to a new 5-Month low....Wonder what the mkts know and Trichet dosent know...

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You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!


Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2006 at 1:00pm
Propserity...
how interest rates effect currency exchange rates
 
All the countries have a Bond Market .... and the Govt bonds of various tenures are traded there. Like the 10-Year Indian bonds are currently yeilding 7.88%. Since this intetest rate is higher than the US 10-Year rate which closed yesterday at 4.763%, the investors would like to buy Indian bonds rather than the US bonds and that would make the money flow into India. This would increase the demand for the Indian Rupee and hence the Rupee should be stronger than the Dollar.. Point to note that this is a theoritical view.. and the Markets are an intresting place.. They do all the diffrent kind of stuff...
 
Also the factors should be looked in currencies is Trade balance and the Current account balance of the country....
But these things hardly matter as US trade Deficit has been increasing forever since 1990, but the Dollar fell between 1990-95 and then started a major rally till 2001. After that it began to fall as the fed started to cut rates to save the economy and the Dollar collapsed.
 
The biggest thing to note is that this is all theory of "how things should be". However the Currency value corelates with the interest rates the best.
I expect a massive Dollar Rally (Tech View - as long as 84.00 is mantained on Dollar Index) later this year and next year and also expected is Fed Rate cuts.... That would be very interesting as they are completely opposite... However as always Markets are the biggest teacher.
Hope i have clarified the matter. If you dont understand plz write back with questions.....
 


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You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!


Posted By: BubbleVision
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2006 at 1:06pm
The jist of the previous view is the higher the Interest rates.. The stronger should be the currency..

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You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!



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