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Topic: WATER: The next mega trend!
Posted By: kulman
Subject: WATER: The next mega trend!
Date Posted: 19/Mar/2008 at 11:34pm
As liquidity is drained from credit and money markets and pours into oil and gold, another asset class that could offer long-term returns to the discerning investor is water.

Water shortages are on the rise, stemming from soaring demand, growing populations, rising living standards and changing diets. A lack of supply is compounded by pollution and climate change.

Investors are mobilising funds to buy the assets that control water and improve supplies, especially in developing countries such as China where urban populations are booming, further tightening supply.

"Many of these cities have tripled in size in the last 10 years so there's just an unaddressed need, there's an enormous opportunity for investment," said Kimberly Tara, chief executive of commodities investor FourWinds Capital Management. FourWinds will this year start raising global funds initially of up to 3 billion euros ($4.68 billion) to invest in water, Tara said.

Water shortage is already a serious problem in many regions of the world, as underlined in a December report from Zurich-based Sustainable Asset Management (SAM), which manages about 8.5 billion Swiss francs in assets.

These include southern Spain, the Maghreb, the Middle East, Central Asia, Pakistan, southern India and northern China. In the Americas, the US mid-west, Mexico and the Andes are the worst-hit areas. Eastern Australia is also badly affected.

China is a particularly strong example. It has a fifth of the world's population but just 7 per cent of the water. Most of the length of the country's five main rivers is unsafe for direct human contact, and the country will have to build 1,000 waste water treatment plants between 2006 and 2010 to meet national pollution targets, Citigroup analysts say.

But not everyone will benefit. While some Chinese cities are now investment hot spots, rural areas are being by-passed, underscoring a trend of under-funding in poorer regions and countries most vulnerable to shortages. "Large equipment suppliers for sourcing water and treating waste will not operate in parts of the developing world," said Merrill Lynch analyst Robert Miller-Bakewell.

"They're pretty selective about where they go. That means a lot of this need will not necessarily be addressed in the near-term," he said.

"The technologies exist. You and I and the World Bank and everyone else can identify the need. The big problem all along is about who's going to pay for it all."

Parts of Africa are especially dry, both of clean water and cash, at a time when prices are rising for the steel and concrete raw materials for treatment plants.

The FourWinds Capital Management investment approach is to go after projects in water treatment and desalination and companies which make meters, pipes and pumps.

Little money stands to be made from owning and charging customers for water itself, because governments subsidise this to ensure the vital asset is most under-priced when in greatest need.

"It's very intuitive, you (the government) must have the water, and so you'll pay anything to anyone who will get that water to you, but the water itself you have to control. So the price of the water is not the place to invest," said Tara.

"We've been researching water for about two and a half years now, looking at different ways to invest," she added. A warming world is expected to play havoc with the world's rainfall patterns, with less rain in heavier bursts, and is likely to melt mountain glaciers on which hundreds of millions of people in Asia and South America depend.

Some government’s fret that the attention paid to fighting the causes of climate change, especially greenhouse gas emissions, has been at the expense of coping with the damage it is already wreaking, or that is around the corner. A collapse of the Indian summer monsoon from as early as next year is one of the world's most immediate, serious climate risks according to research posted by Britain's University of East Anglia last month.

Drought is perhaps the most immediate of climate change threats, but even without global warming the aspirations of new middle-classes in Asia are a challenge. An average European uses 150-400 litres of water daily for their personal requirements, the SAM report said.

Consumption in the United States is almost twice as high but in China, the figure is only 90 litres per day on average, while in many developing countries it is below the 50 litres a day "critical threshold" set by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO).

Where there are customers who can afford them, new technologies may offer a profitable solution to excessive water extraction, for example by agriculture which is the biggest user by sector, mainly for irrigation.

The production of one kg of beef requires 16,000 litres of water, according to www.waterfootprint.org, a Web site run by the Dutch University of Twente and the UNESCO-IHE (Institute for Water Education). That compares with 1,500 litres for a kg of grain.

Like FourWinds Capital, agriculture firm Monsanto has been swotting up on climate change, said its head of technology strategy and development David Fischhoff. Along with other agriculture companies such as AGCO Corp, Monsanto's share price has risen recently on the back of spiralling grain prices and resulting higher farmer incomes, partly caused by droughts in Australia and south-east Europe.

Over the past 12 months it has tasked its top 20 experts to digest how the latest climate science will affect the company.

"Drought is our leading example of a problem to solve," Fischhoff said. The recent discovery of new genes and other scientific advances have aided the first deliberate biotech targeting of drought-tolerance with new crops now in the pipeline, he said.

"The most advanced of these is now a drought-tolerant corn product commercialisable within several years. We expect this to be the first generation of an ongoing stream." Monsanto is currently trading at nearly 39 times its forecast earnings for the year to August 2008, almost double the valuation for an emblem of growth in another sector, Google, according to data from Reuters Estimates.

In industry, another major water user, innovation in water-recycling is exciting former dotcom entrepreneurs, in a trend mirroring Silicon Valley's recent enthusiasm for alternative energy to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

British-based entrepreneur Daniel Ishag made money as founder of e-Spotting, which prospered from selling Web search links to advertisers, he now sees an opportunity to clean up on waste water. The key contribution of his new company Bluewater Bio, he says, is to keep alive and grow bacteria which munch their way through the waste that comes out of factories, homes and landfill sites, saving on chemicals and micro-organisms.

He compared the state of water-processing technology to driving an antique car. "There are better pumps and pipes but the process is the same. It's about continued access to water, and not a lot of money is going into technology to do that."
 
Excerpted from: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Water_turning_hot_among_investors/articleshow/2882347.cms - Investors mobilising funds to buy assets that control water
 
 
Views/comments welcome...
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: master
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2008 at 8:17pm

Rogers sees worst recession ahead

 

Exactly a year ago, America’s maverick investor Jim Rogers was quoted by the US media predicting that the dollar and stock markets were bound to collapse at the rate the US Fed was increasing money supply. His forecast has been spot on, so far. Now, this die-hard fan of China is convinced that the world, led by the US, is headed for the worst recession since World War II.

He feels the US government’s protectionist move to bail out the ailing financial institutions - Bear Stearns, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - will only add to the chaos. “It is important to allow a beleaguered financial system to crash once to clean up the system,” said Rogers, who co-founded the Quantum Fund with George Soros in the 1960s. He catapulted to fame in the 1970s, when his fund gained 4200% against a relatively modest 50% on the S&P index. Opting for a rather early retirement at 37, Rogers has spent the past three decades managing his own portfolio, while pursuing his other interests that include motorcycling. He even managed a mention in the Guinness Book of World records after touring six continents on his motorcycle in the early-1990s.

The investor, who has moved lock stock and barrel to Singapore last year from New York to back his belief of a prolonged US economic downturn, says he has totally sold out of emerging markets.

“Currently, I am invested in the Swiss Franc, Japanese Yen and airlines,” he said. The optimism in the Swiss Franc and Japanese Yen could be ‘contrarian’, as these currencies have been battered significantly in the recent years because of ‘carry trades’. A carry trade is a strategy where an investor sells a currency with a relatively low interest rate and uses the proceeds to buy another currency with a higher interest rate or high-yielding assets. Till late 2007, investors have been selling both these currencies to invest in emerging markets for higher returns.

“There are set-backs in every bull market, but I think, the best place to invest would be in raw materials and resources,” he said. Talking about potential investments in commodities, Rogers noted that coffee, sugar, cotton, zinc, and maybe, silver, which are far below their highs, could spring surprises.

Though broadly bearish on equities, he sees potential in companies involved in water, agri-commodities and tourism businesses. “Even if America falls off the earth, India’s water problem will not go away. If you are in the water business in India, you will make a huge fortune.”

And does he have big plans for India, if any? In his characteristic dismissive manner, the self-proclaimed ‘Chinophile’ said that he would restrict his exposures for the moment to a road trip across the country that would offer him the delights of a diverse country like India.

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PS- Which are the investment candidates in water management and related businesses. Jain irrigation is certainly one. Views from members..

 

 



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Posted By: sureshbazi
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2008 at 12:15pm

 

There are no posts for this section for a long time. Looks like we have limited ideas for this sector.

 

I bought Mount Everest Mineral Water Ltd on rd recommendation and sold for a 3 bagger after that I did not get any new idea about water related companies.  Ion Exchange (India) Ltd may the one. But don’t know much about the company and the management.

 



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2008 at 7:31am
ION has been around for long we use their Pristine product but the  aggressiveness seems to be lacking in the mgmt.

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Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2008 at 8:19am
Thermax.
http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?leftnm=10&bKeyFlag=BO&autono=313556 - http://www.business-standard.com/common/news_article.php?leftnm=10&bKeyFlag=BO&autono=313556



Also just search for "thermax +"water treatment"".

I feel recycling (implying treatment of "used" water) will be more important as fresh water shortages loom.

The so-called rain-water harvesting schemes will also be responsible for contaminating the water table. (Normally, water which has gathered in the water table is the result of years of diffusion and filtration with the ground acting as both filter and ion-exchange purifier.)

Intensive rain-water harvesting, that is directed at restoring the water table, by-passes the earth's purification.

The aggressive use of pumps and bore wells also depletes the gound water. As a results, in some areas, sea-water enters the water table, effectively preventing use in agriculture.

Hence, even ground water may need to be purified in coming years.

Re. the post on Jain Irrigation ... I too hold this stock (and Thermax) but in the short run, agriculture-stocks are being beaten down along with the rest Cry making some of them value-buys for late-comers Smile.



Posted By: PrashantS
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2008 at 11:24am

You turn on the faucet, and-voila-you have a drink of water! Those of us who come from western nations tend to take water for granted. However, after a few years in Israel, we appreciate the fact that whatever water we receive is a gift. The media is filled with reports about how the world is running low on crude oil, but not too much attention is paid to the growing water crisis.

Water as an Investment

As abundant as it appears to be, only about 20% of the global population has access to running water.  Additionally, only one-third of the world’s population has access to clean water. In fact, many estimate that in 40 years, more than four billion people, half the world’s population, will be living in areas that are chronically short of water. Moreover, economic development has placed greater pressure than ever on the supply of fresh water. In 1900, the global annual water use per capita was 350 cubic meters. In 2000, that number had grown to 642 cubic meters. In the United States alone, the demand for water has tripled in the past 30 years, while the population has grown by just 50%.

China, Africa and the United States

The need to increase access to clean water around the world has led some to call water the “oil” of this century. As the world becomes more and more developed, wealthy countries will not only be able to afford, but will also have a moral obligation to provide this basic necessity to their citizens. China and India, which are experiencing economic booms right now, are therefore investing hundreds of billions of dollars in improvements to their water infrastructure, while many sub-Saharan African countries that are beginning to show signs of economic growth will soon need to begin to provide basic resources to their population. All three of these examples, are huge populations that are in their infancy when it comes to the basic needs of their citizens. They have been steeped in poverty for decades, and they are emerging only now. As such, they need to start from scratch, which means access to water and building roads.

In terms of the United States, the Environmental Protection Agency estimates that up to $1 trillion will have to be spent on upgrading U.S. water infrastructure over the next few years. Much of the country’s aging infrastructure is more than 100 years old and is in a state of utter disrepair. In the United States alone, the network of drinking water pipes extends more than 700,000 miles - more than four times the length of the National Highway System. This all adds up to the need for new reservoirs, better water canals and more efficient irrigation systems. Israel happens to be a global leader in the innovative technology needed for making such repairs.

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While many experts believe that there will never be substitutes for water, I tend to take a much more optimistic view of things. All kinds of technologies are being created to tackle the issue before it turns into a crisis. If we were to fast-forward 50 years, I am sure that we would be shocked at the technological advances made. Investors should speak with their financial advisers to see what options are available to invest in the water industry.



source:http://seekingalpha.com/article/93014-investing-in-water-it-s-not-just-for-drinking


Posted By: LEARNINGTOPICK
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2008 at 12:47pm
This is an interesting thread and i hope it picks up and we can get to read more about water as the next big theme in the markets. At this point of time, i can't think of too many companies - in the drinking water space there is mount everest, in the irrigation space there is jain irrigation and in the water purification space except ion exchange and also thermax from what i read. hopefully in the next year or two we'll have more listed companies in this space.

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Posted By: Venkat N
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2008 at 2:15pm
Dear Sir,
 
i gained a bit of understanding of the opportunities while working on an assignment in infra sector. Almost all the infra companies seem to be betting big on the water sector.
 
First of all, Central Government is pushing for development of water related infrastructure through Jawaharlal Nehru Urban Renewal Mission and also through the Infrastructure development in small & medium towns. The projects could be for water treatment, developing infrastructure for supply & distribution in cities.
 
In irrigation sector, the projects include construction of canals, dams, etc.
 
 


Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2008 at 3:00pm
Excerpt from Kulmanji's post:
The FourWinds Capital Management investment approach is to go after projects in water treatment and desalination and companies which make meters, pipes and pumps.
End of excerpt


As a resident of a large housing colony which has water-problems, I feel that there will, sooner or later, be demand for water meters to ensure that residents pay for what they consume.

Any ideas on listed water-meter manufacturers?


Posted By: master
Date Posted: 14/Sep/2008 at 11:00pm

Companies directly into water management area are of course going to be  beneficiaries of this theme.

Besides, there are surrogate plays like pipe manufacturers. PSL Ltd is one such solid company into helical pipes with a formidable order book and relatively shorter execution period. Anyone tracking it...
 


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Posted By: smart_prof
Date Posted: 16/Sep/2008 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by basant

ION has been around for long we use their Pristine product but the  aggressiveness seems to be lacking in the mgmt.



Tdy Saw an advt in ET of JSW they are saying hat they are saving water with ion exchange"S solutions i found it ti be very intresting



Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 16/Sep/2008 at 4:19pm
so did i but i want to know how much  it contributed to ions bottomline and what were the margins and whether its tough for others to do what ion is doing

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Posted By: kanagala
Date Posted: 16/Sep/2008 at 9:28pm
How about IVRCL. This one looks like a better one to play various water themes. 

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Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 16/Sep/2008 at 8:21am
I'm sure this is not what Kulmanji (where is he again?) had in mind when he started this thread but here's a piece from Business Standard on "esoteric" water:

http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=334629 - http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=334629




Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 19/Sep/2008 at 3:18pm
And if you Google for "voltas +"water management"" you'll find Voltas, a TED favourite, to be an active player as well.


Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 25/Sep/2008 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by bassein

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I feel recycling (implying treatment of "used" water) will be more important as fresh water shortages loom.....


Bombay's municipality seems to have realised the importance of water-recycling: http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpaper.aspx?page=article&sectid=2&contentid=2008092420080924024459778ff7d82bc&pageno=1 - http://www.mumbaimirror.com/net/mmpaper.aspx?page=article&sectid=2&contentid=2008092420080924024459778ff7d82bc&pageno=1


The challenge is to identify good companies in this area.

For some reason, Ion Exchange isn't going too fast, too furious!


Posted By: bassein
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2008 at 1:55pm
Ion Exchange's latest annual report is available online from ionindia.com (the company's web-site). I trying to read it right now, but if some more talented (and interested) TEDdie will please give their opinion on the same???

I'm inclined to go for Ion Exchange because water treatment is its main business. for many other companies, water is one more activity of theirs.


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2008 at 2:10pm
Originally posted by bassein

Ion Exchange's latest annual report is available online from ionindia.com (the company's web-site). I trying to read it right now, but if some more talented (and interested) TEDdie will please give their opinion on the same???

I'm inclined to go for Ion Exchange because water treatment is its main business. for many other companies, water is one more activity of theirs.
 
Jyada matha mat lagaiyega in sab company mein.......these are fancy businesses, meant for fancy periods.


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Posted By: paragdesai
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2008 at 2:28pm

Flood is now have a seasonal effect all over the country at different time of monsoon. As a country we are wasting lot of our energy, time & money on rescue operation. This will lead us to river linking project. This is a need of hour. Sooner or later this is going to happen.

In Gujarat it is the reality where under Sardar Sarover Project on Narmada river where the water of Narmada river is linked with Sabarmati river through river like canal. This has solved many problems of irrigation, Power, Drinking water, and so on. 
 
This is a small & successful model. If the same is implemented all over India (of course after proper study) many problem can be solved.
 
So if this will going to be a reality than the companies that we are discussing here will changed. Like HCC, Patel Engineering, Nagarjuna,IVRCL, Kirlosker Brs, 


Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2008 at 2:52pm
baki ka to pata nahi, HCC and nagarjuna are not likely to create sustainable wealth for the shareholders......
 
if i am not wrong, either of HCC and nagarjuna were RJ's favorites at one point of time......


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 01/Nov/2008 at 1:20pm

 

 

Report Date

October 23, 2008

Company Name

Kirloskar Brothers Limited (KBL)

Recommendation

BUY

CMP – Rs. 84/-

Target Price – Rs. 118/-

Mkt. Cap. - Rs. 888.4 crore

Investment Rationale

 

Ø      KBL, market leader in pumps & valves, reported not so encouraging performance for Q2 FY 09. Net Sales grew @ 32.2% to Rs. 420.4 crore. However, OPM% dropped to 5% because of sharp rise in raw material cost to 76.1% (74.5%) of sales and other expenditures to 13.1% of sales (11.8%). Further impacted by substantially higher finance cost of Rs. 6.29 crore, PBT declined by 18.4% to Rs. 28.24 crore and PAT by 13.2% to Rs. 23.42 crore. 

 

Ø      For H1 FY 2009, company’s performance was dismal. Sales rose by 24.8% to Rs. 790.78 crore. However, OPM% plunged to 2.8% (9.2%) owing to shooting up of raw material cost to 78.6% (70.7%) of sales. This is because company could not pass on all the input cost hikes (which rose sharply in relatively shorter time of a few months) in fixed price contracts (had aggressively gone for these), where besides longer gestation period for execution, time of 8-9 months elapses between submitting tender and final receipt of order, which made it difficult for the company to build-in suitable price escalations in tender driven business. Besides, delay in capacity expansion resulted in capacity constraints and delay in execution of projects. As many contracts could not reach prorate revenue / profit recognition norm of 35% set by the company, reported profits were lower. Delay in execution of high margin export order due to non-receipt of letter of credit also impacted profitability. Consequently, PAT dwindled to Rs. 18.94 crore, fall of 64.1%.

 

Ø      However, going ahead, things are set to change. Company has taken several corrective measures to see that EBIDTA margin springs back to normal level of low double-digit in the shortest possible time:

 

  1. Become more selective in taking new orders and all contracts to have price variation clause.

  2. Increased prices of products in April and July 2008.

  3. Expedited expansion projects to reduce execution time by 1/3rd .

  4. Revamped organization structure changing all SBUs tuned to user segments and each plant being made a profit centre.

  5. Has also started negotiating with customers to pass on some cost increases in balance 40% fixed price contracts and hopes to get some success.

 

Ø      KBL is set to become a proxy of agrarian & water resources revolution underway in India. Company has a wide range of pumps from 0.1 KW to 16,000 KW to cater to diversified market segments including irrigation, power, water distribution & management, industry, building & construction, oil & gas, marine & defence, etc., all of which need to move water and other fluids where pumps & valves are required; and all these user segments offer high growth potential. KBL is moving from product to project to total solution and from local to global in water management business.

 

Ø      KBL has global footprint in the business of fire fighting pumping system thru its 100% subsidiary SPP Pump -UK, also undertakes EPC contracts for water treatment & sewerage systems / water management thru its other subsidiaries, JVs and associate companies like Ebara, Corrocoat, Gondwana Engineers, Aban Constructions, etc.

 

Ø      Barring temporary hiccups, company is on very strong wicket catering to growing market of water pumps and number of projects are underway in areas of irrigation, water & sewage management, industries, oil & gas, power plants, etc., all of which provide exciting growth prospects to the company.

 

Ø      Its vision to expand operations globally and focus on providing total solutions in water management & water sewerage systems, are providing exciting opportunities to KBL like Africa Irrigation Project, on which African government is planning to spend US $ 5.5 billion over next 5 years and KBL is the first company there doing water management projects; getting into big-league international EPC contractors and power equipment suppliers like Alstom, Bechtel, Doosan, etc. for supplying cooling water pumping systems, etc.

 

Ø      Company had very healthy order book on June 30, 2008 of Rs 4,138 crore (fixed price contracts almost 40%), providing good visibility for the next few years.

 

Ø      It has set an ambitious target of growth of > 25% CAGR for next 3 years to become US $ 1 billion company by FY 2011 and want to be among global top 5 companies by 2015.

 

Valuation

 

Ø      At CMP, share (Rs.2 /- paid up) is trading at 7. 9 times estimated consolidated FY 09 EPS of Rs 10.6 and at 4.9 times estimated consolidated FY 10 EPS of Rs 17. 3. With softening of commodities prices (which will substantially reduce risk of lower profitability on balance 40% un-executed orders) and exciting business opportunities, company’s bottom line is likely to grow @ CAGR of ~ 24% and at CMP, KBL is attractive BUY

 






 

 

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Standalone Financial Summary                                                                           Rs. Crore

 

 

FY 2009

FY 2008

%

FY 2009

FY 2008

%

FY 2008

 

Q2

change

H1

change

12 mths

Net Sales

420.43

318.12

32.2%

790.78

633.64

24.8%

1,525.15

Other Operating Income

2.38

7.88

-69.8%

2.96

10.68

-72.3%

14.08

Total Expenses

399.33

295.53

35.1%

768.70

575.12

33.7%

1,382.96

Operating Profit

23.48

30.48

-22.9%

25.04

69.21

-63.8%

156.26

EBITDA (%)

5.02%

7.10%

 

2.79%

9.24%

 

9.32%

Interest Expenses / (Income)

6.29

3.65

72.2%

10.53

6.78

55.4%

16.89

Depreciation

5.18

4.29

20.8%

9.83

8.34

17.9%

18.21

Other Income

16.23

12.08

34.4%

19.46

15.18

28.2%

28.87

P.B.T.

28.24

34.61

-18.4%

24.14

69.28

-65.2%

150.04

Net Profit

23.42

27.00

-13.2%

18.94

52.71

-64.1%

110.14

Equity Capital (Rs 2/-)

21.15

21.15

 

21.15

21.15

 

21.15

EPS for the period (Rs)

11.07

12.76

-13.2%

8.95

24.92

-64.1%

52.07

 

 

Disclosures

The author may have held / hold the above-mentioned securities in their personal accounts or on behalf of the clients. The information contained has been obtained from sources believed to be reliable. While taking utmost care in making the report, the authors or the company does not take responsibility for the consequences of the report. All investment and information and opinion are subject to change without notice. The investment recommendations may not be suitable to all the investors.

October 23, 2008

 






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Posted By: shivkumar
Date Posted: 01/Nov/2008 at 4:47pm
Paragbhai,

The river-linking project at the national level is a pie in the sky. It could work locally, but linking rivers in Northern India with those in the South is not workable. The canals would pass through forests and centres of human habitation and the costs would be too much apart from the damage to environment.

The Central Govt seems to have abandoned the measure for all practical purposes.

But there would be many projects linking rivers locally and small barrages, etc to contain flooding.


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 24/Nov/2008 at 6:46pm
Interesting piece in Times of India (24/11/2008) by Brahma Chellaney http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Editorial/COMMENT_Beware_Of_Water_Wars/articleshow/3747837.cms - on how China can divert much of India's water and how http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India_will_make_Pak_barren_by_2014_says_Pak_official/articleshow/3751565.cms - India's causing problems for Pakistan !

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Posted By: LEARNINGTOPICK
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2009 at 4:15pm
thank you hitesh bhai... that was a very interesting article! yes water is going to be a huge problem in the coming decades... and we still don't have clarity on the biggest beneficiaries who can tackle this problem. Ion Exchange seems to be the only focussed play on the sector. hopefully after some more research and discussion some clarity will emerge on the issue. RJ has an investment in ION exchange so we know that we're thinking in the right direction if not the right stock.

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Posted By: valuepicks
Date Posted: 10/Mar/2009 at 3:40pm

hi Kulman,

this is a nice thread that you started. in fact, i remember how weird i felt, when i noticed people buying mineral water bottles around '98. at that time, most of the foreign-returned guys were the buyers. by today the trend has gradually picked up and most homes started buying drinking water like monthly ration! moreover, i don't think this behaviour is limited to cities only.

good to see comments on various beneficiaries from other members. someone mentioned about 'mount everest mineral water' and i did some study. it looks like the company has slipped into losses after Tata has taken over.
 
it's 52-w high indicates that it had participated in the last bull run. does anyone still find value in this company in the long term? will tatas make it profitable again? i guess they are current in capex mode. to my understanding it has been a very premium product in the market that is usually sold at premium hotels and restaurants, which means they are focused on a niche. will their capex translate to reasonable profits, chasing such a niche?
 
views on this stock is appreciated.


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 30/Mar/2009 at 9:09pm
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/packaged-water-firms-ignore-rs-12-price-diktat/353342/ - What price bottled water ?

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Posted By: wiseowl
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2009 at 12:55pm
A niche "mineral water"  company has to protect its source of water and develop a good brand and an acceptable product price point. The former aspect is more difficult in India.

There are many bottled water (ozonized, purified, etc) companies. Some are there for  brand extensions and surrogate advertising. There are numerous local companies providing water in dispensers. This space is too crowded.

City water supply and sewage management will remain with government organisations for a long time to come. However, with continuing improvements in this field (because of JNURM, World Bank aid, external pressure, etc) there is a huge scope for companies making pollution control equipments, water treatment plants, water pipes and meters etc.

EPC companies undertaking contracts for water projects will have to work with slimmer margins and under more scrutiny going forward. Many companies would jump into this field and make the competition intense.

Linking of rivers is not practical, besides having doubtful scientific basis. There are many environmental and terrain problems. The cost is too huge and will be ever-increasing. Inter-state politics will prevent any meaningful dialogue.

Thermax and Electrosteel Castings are in a position to benefit from this theme. Ion Exchange has so far not been able to capitalise on its excellent brand (Zero-B). Triveni Engineering has the baggage of other not-so-profitable businesses. Praj probably does not have a substantial pollution-control equipment business.

There are many unlisted MNCs in this field who will surely gain a strong foothold in India in the years to come.


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Posted By: valuepicks
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2009 at 1:00pm
Hitesh,
 
I believe one litre bottle is priced at Rs. 25 - double of other bottled waters.
 
Here is some info on how this market is shaping up:
 
The company last month re-launched the Himalayan brand in India with a new packaging in an attempt to garner a larger share of the domestic market as well as build the brand’s foundation before venturing abroad.
India’s packaged drinking water market is growing at 25% per annum, estimated to be worth Rs8,500 crore in 2007 and expected to grow to Rs12, 364 crore by 2010, according to Datamonitor Plc. More than 70% of this market is unorganized and dominated by local and regional players.
 
http://www.livemint.com/2008/06/05001936/Tata-Tea-to-launch-enriched-Hi.html - http://www.livemint.com/2008/06/05001936/Tata-Tea-to-launch-enriched-Hi.html


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2009 at 1:00pm
Originally posted by wiseowl

.... Praj probably does not have a substantial pollution-control equipment business.
.....


Their activity seems restricted to providing water-purifying / effluent management technology to distilleries, etc.


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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 31/Mar/2009 at 1:47pm
Hi Wiseowl,
 
Electrosteel Castings is primarily into sewage ductile pipes. Even tata metaliks is getting into ductile pipes. jindal Saw is another strong player in that space.
 
There is big export potential of these pipes.....is what I have learnt.


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Posted By: Kishor
Date Posted: 23/Apr/2009 at 2:56pm
Hi
 
Do you all think that bottle water companies  can generate wealth in the long term.What i am trying to say is that nothing differentiates the product from the competitors product.So i dont feel there will be any "moat" as Warren Buffet may prefer.And swtiching from one bottle water to another is so easy for the customer.This will also pose risk.
 
So utlimately these bottle water companies may not be able to generate wealth.
 
Kishor


Posted By: nav_1996
Date Posted: 23/Apr/2009 at 4:38pm
Mineral Water and Bottled water are different. Mineral water does have moat. e.g. Evian from France Alps can be found all over world. That is magic of brand. They own the source in Alps where they fill this water. Himalyan is similar story. But we need to check if they own a source which is unique and there no enviromental hurdles form green terrorists.


Posted By: shivkumar
Date Posted: 23/Apr/2009 at 5:06pm
Global warming that causes melting of glaciers can affect the company if their water sources melt away! Oil exploration companies like Cairn UK are hunting for oil in the North Pole because rising temperatures have caused the glaciers to melt thereby making things easier for them. The problem is that serious.

Investors could instead look at companies that can filter seawater into sweet water!


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 29/Jun/2009 at 11:21pm
Two nice articles on " http://seekingalpha.com/article/145580-positioning-for-when-water-runs-out-part-ii?source=hp_mostpopular - Positioning for When Water Runs Out ". 

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Posted By: bullishindian
Date Posted: 30/Jun/2009 at 12:43pm
Hi,

Guys let me introduce T BOONE PICKENS-The legendary oilman who is one of the shrewdest investor.

If water is the new oil, T. Boone Pickens is a modern-day John D. Rockefeller. Pickens owns more water than any other individual in the U.S.

Instead of doing a small write up-i am attaching couple of links-so that TEDites can draw their own conclusion and we can more insights coming from everyone.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089040017753.htm

http://www.mesawater.com/

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4275059.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&refer=home&sid=aUMHM8z9IMd4

Personally i have been following and trying to understand his moves and man-those moves are visionary and smart moves!!!

As they say " WATER IS NEXT OIL"-Actually think of it-you can maybe stop driving your car-but can you stop drinking water????



Posted By: valuepicks
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 1:34pm
Hiteshji and bullishindian,
 
Thanks for sharing the links. Both set of links are very good read. It had some fantastic insights on how precious is water, which is running out.
 
It also makes me feel sad about how our politicians have been eating into our taxes and all other money that they come across. I guess, we hardly have any good politicians seeing a bigger picture of things and take preventive/corrective steps. Especially, Hiteshji's set of links has references to India and our poor waste water management status. It is sad to note that our waste water has been contaminating fresh waters.
 
People are talking and taking steps like rain water harvesting at residences. But what's the use if such rain water is contaminated by neighbour's waste (crap) pit??! And most of us could only afford a 30X40 site and nothing bigger!
 
We certainly need stringent building guidelines linked with muncipalities implementing perfect drainage systems and waste water treatment/recycling plants.
 


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 1:49pm
Originally posted by valuepicks

 
People are talking and taking steps like rain water harvesting at residences. But what's the use if such rain water is contaminated by neighbour's waste (crap) pit??! And most of us could only afford a 30X40 site and nothing bigger!
 
We certainly need stringent building guidelines linked with muncipalities implementing perfect drainage systems and waste water treatment/recycling plants.
 


100% agree. When we wake up to the problem remains to be seen ....

I too feel that water treatment & recycling are more useful than rain-water harvesting which is more gimmicky, at least in the cities.


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Posted By: BGKGURU
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 10:10pm
buy triveni engineering, they will be leader in waste treatment after 5 years. last year  turnover was 66 crore,after 5 years you can expect turnover 600 crore+. current margin around 20%. highest margin in this industry you will not see more thsan 15% marging for any other company.

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Posted By: somu0915
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 10:17pm
As I see from their website, Triveni Engineering seems to be diversified in lots of other space - Sugar, GearBoxes, Turbines and Retail.

I would like to buy a core company in this domain.
Any idea of a core company in waste treatment?
I know of Ion-Exchange and Hindustan Dorr.
Any other ideas?


Posted By: BGKGURU
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 10:31pm
You are right they are diversified company buy they are leader or top 3 in all business.
I have senn all waste treatment company but triveni is much better than others. just lokk at all result. and margin.
triveni is already is saying that they will grow 100% in next two years. Once they will reach at peak like 600+ crore turnover they they can demerge business . They are looking for demerger at appropriate time.
I have seen ion exchange they are doing good on year on year basis. their margin is not good. same with hindustan dorr . they are giving good result. they are getting various order but market is not giving its reward. I have some doubt with ivrcl  management. Others have doubt with triveni also because they had bad exp with triveni. But i have very good exp with their business and return on my investment. I have faith more in triveni then any other company.


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Posted By: BGKGURU
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 10:34pm
any way subhash projects and jmc projects do  water treatment. there may be many more companies in this field but specialised companies are hindustan dorr oliver,ion exchange and triveni.
 
Anyway if you know anything more abt ion plz share i m interested in ion but disappointed with their margin. What their subs  are doing. I think they are also in many area.


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 11:22pm
Don't forget http://www.thermaxindia.com/V2/DivisionPage.asp?levelno=0&pageno=1&objectid=4 - Thermax !

The quality of management is a plus. Of course, it is not a pure water play but your money is safe!


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Posted By: somu0915
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 11:45pm
Originally posted by BGKGURU

Y
I have faith more in triveni then any other company.

Investing is done on facts and figures and not on faith.

The problem with this area is since this sector is relatively new, there is no large core player in this sector. But eventually with time the probability is that  some leader will surely emerge.

@BGKGURU
You said you have doubt about IVRCL management.. Can you elaborate more on that..?
I think it is the largest player as far as irrigation projects are concerned. It also has a stake in Hindustan Dorr, which makes it fairly kind of leader in this sector.

Can anyone post some more information about the margins of various companies as far as water treatment is concerned.

Is any company in the process of de-salination as well?


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 11:54pm
Originally posted by somu0915

Originally posted by BGKGURU

Y
I have faith more in triveni then any other company.

Investing is done on facts and figures and not on faith.
.....


That is theory and it is a no-brainer. But to stick with a company and to buy more of its shares when it is in the dumps and when everyone is writing its obituary requires faith. And the faithful are rewarded.


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Posted By: somu0915
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 12:06pm
Faith emerges from past performance..
Past figures and history of the company..
U cant simply have faith and buy more shares..
When you have faith on the performance of the company [which comes from past record with facts and fugures] only then can you have the conviction of buying more shares..

Can anyone put his money on a brand new company and keep buying when price keeps falling? I dont think so.. One needs some facts/figures and history performance to have conviction to buy..


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 12:14pm
Originally posted by somu0915

....conviction to buy..


Conviction = faith

So you need faith. Facts and figures are what cause people to sell in bad times when they don't have faith.




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Posted By: BGKGURU
Date Posted: 01/Jul/2009 at 11:17am

IFaith doesn't mean buy blindly. I already told that i have  faith inb company's business that means  business are doing well and growing. If they give good margin in their all business that means they are efficient so i have confidence then faith.

blind faith is not good in stock mkt.
 
As far as ivrcl concerned. Management holds very low stake.  We have seen price around Rs. 50. But neither promotor bought stock neither they had announced any buyback. and now price around 400. I know many operators and institutions are following stock but sometime we don't understand their game so i should avoid stocks where we can't understand movement of stock and insttitutions hold more stocks then promotor.
I don't have any problem with their business but have problem with promotors.
 
I m not recommending here to buy triveni at current price but it is good stock with good business so can watch and buy whenever you get below 50.


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 12/Jul/2009 at 10:34pm

High-cost inventory affected margins in FY09: ION Exchange
Jul 10, 2009 at 05.55 PM

Rajesh Sharma, Vice-Chairman and Managing Director, ION Exchange India Ltd, said the previous year was bad for the company. “During the first half, we faced the unprecedented increase in raw material costs and we have most of these orders with fixed price, so one cannot pass on to the customer and in the second half, we faced the downturn. We carried inventories at high cost and the finish product prices just crashed,” he said.

Here is a verbatim transcript of the exclusive interview with Rajesh Sharma on CNBC-TV18. Also watch the accompanying video.

Q: What kind of levels of water treatments do you service? Do you service all levels from municipalities, up to apartments and have you seen any improvement in the last couple of months in orders?

A: We are one of the few companies globally who are involved right from industrial water treatment to home water treatment and community water treatment. Even with this downturn, we have a healthy order bank from the industrial sector. Now, with the government’s impetus on infrastructure, I am sure there would be more opportunities coming across for infrastructure projects both in the urban and rural sector.

The scarcity of water due to lesser rains received this year would really necessitate looking for alternate water resources.

Q: Have you seen a spur in inquiries already?

A: In the last three-four years, more and more projects are coming on the sea coast. We recently commissioned one of the largest industrial desalination plant for Chennai Petrochemicals in Chennai. This was started about three years back and very close to that, now, we are building another desalination plant for NTPC. We have recently been awarded another project for desalination for a power project. So there are a number of projects now coming in the industrial sector on the costal belt of India.

As you are aware Chennai Metro is also planning to set up a 100 million litres per day desalination plant to augment the drinking water supply to the city. It is high time now Mumbai looked at it — and since yesterday, the state’s deputy chief minister made that mention, it is time to look at that. That is one resource and second resource is recycling of water.

Q: The PAT on your Rs 500 crore revenue is about Rs 1.65 crore and your operating margins are at around 4%. Could you tell us what's wrong with the dynamics of the business? Why are the margins so low?

A: Last year, was a pretty bad one. During the first half, we faced the unprecedented increase in raw material costs and we have most of these orders with fixed price, so one cannot pass on to the customer and in the second half, we faced the downturn. We carried inventories at high cost and the finish product prices just crashed.

Q: As far as your business is concerned, right now when you take solutions or reverse osmosis plants, is that a fixed price contract and what is variable quantity in raw material and also you have a whole list of products like cleaning out perhaps resin and this other stuff—how much is the product business and how much is the solutions business?

A: Raw material price affects everything—whether it is a consumer or a large project. We are carrying inventories at a higher cost even for the consumables and prices crashed because of the unprecedented economic slowdown. It does affect both the sectors. However, we have decided to not go for orders, which are at fixed price. Many of the public sectors have also started accepting the situation and the price variation clause especially with items like steel, cement where we do not have any control—those are being now incorporated in the contracts. So, hopefully this scenario will be better next year.


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 17/Jul/2009 at 12:20pm
A truly scary story is here:

http://mumbaimirror.com/index.aspx?Page=article&sectname=News%20-%20City&sectid=2&contentid=20090717200907170201355466a27a53e - Ingenious farmer cleans gutter water to grow veggies
17-07-2009 | News - City
Thirsty for water, Mumbaikars could take a leaf out of this Bhiwandi farmers book. The man has been recycling water from a gutter that carries sewage waste from Bhiwandi and runs next to his one-acre plot, .....

The level of ignorance displayed by all concerned is bad news. It appears that mere sedimentation and filtration through soil is sufficient, according to the "farmer", the authorities, and Mumbai Mirror to make sewage water suitable for watering vegetable crops.

God help us!

One can see this happening for years along the railway tracks, but to have it "officially" blessed goes to show the total lack of awareness.

I wonder whether Green Peace, and other friends of farmers such as Dr. Vandana Shiva are aware of this practice. It gives organic farming a whole new, and deadly, meaning.

Incidentally, the RO-purified water at the Chennai desalination plant is not potable due to trace amounts of boron.

Anyway, Jai Hind! Jai Maharashtra!


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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 22/Jul/2009 at 7:52pm
Corporate News

Thermax signs agreements with two global leaders for wastewater treatment

(22-Jul-2009  , 16:01 Hours IST)

Thermax and GE Water, USA have signed agreements to expand the role both companies will play in meeting India growing water quality and availability challenges. Thermax is a leader in energy and environment management, while GE Water is a leading global supplier of water and waste water treatment solutions.

Under the first agreement, GEs ultrafiltration and membrane bioreactor (MBR) technology will be utilised by Thermax for wastewater treatment, reuse and process water in Indias commercial and institutional sectors. It is estimated that the need for advanced wastewater treatment for India's commercial and institutional sectors is expanding more than 50% per year. This demand is driven by new regulations related to recycling of wastewater. As this technology application is in its infancy, there is also a huge potential for the use of MBR in treating municipal wastewater for recycling, reuse and discharge.

Thermax will offer its customers in India GEs MBR technology that features the latest advances in the field of wastewater treatment. GE Water is a global leader in hollow fiber ZeeWeed membrane technology, which is used to manufacture ultrafiltration and MBR products.

The second agreement provides for the distribution of GEs reverse osmosis (RO) membranes to customers in India for water and wastewater treatment applications. Industries now are adopting membrane-based solutions for water treatment. With its strong regional reach, Thermax will expand the applications of GE Waters RO membrane product portfolio in India. GE has also established a new thin-film composite, spiral-wound RO element manufacturing facility at Hoskote, Bangalore to support India's growing requirements.

The company made this announcement after the trading hours today, 22 July 2009.



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Posted By: mack
Date Posted: 17/Sep/2009 at 7:37pm
VA Tech WABAG is planning to come up with IPO next year...

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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 26/Sep/2009 at 1:43pm

12:27 - http://moneycontrol.com/news/commodities/water-crisis-loomingfuture-how-to-profitit_416967.html - Water crisis looming in future: How to profit from it

The author doesn't seem to indulge in black humour or he would have made mention of ISRO's recent success ... Wink


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 02/Oct/2009 at 11:21am




Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 10/Oct/2009 at 10:56pm
Forget peak oil ....

... Despite these efforts, many regions are approaching “peak water,” the point where consumers have used more water than what remains in the ground.


http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/features/the-world-is-running-outwater_418862.html - Source

Just a thought .... what will happen if India has a poor monsoon next year also?



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Posted By: shivkumar
Date Posted: 10/Oct/2009 at 12:48pm
Betting on the monsoons is like tossing a coin. Every time you toss a coin or wait for the clouds in the skies, the chances of good rain is fifty-fifty. For the past six-seven years we had good rains and in 2009 monsoons were bad. There is no reason rains will be good next year to compensate for this year's loss.




Posted By: neerajlulla
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2009 at 8:39pm
MOUNT EVERST MINERAL WATER LOOKING GOOD

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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2009 at 10:37pm
mt everest mineral water is colourless how can it look good?

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Posted By: vijaygawde
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2009 at 10:42pm
Originally posted by tigershark

mt everest mineral water is colourless how can it look good?


It is the bottle that looks good Wink


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Posted By: tigershark
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2009 at 6:50am
yes that pink label is attractive

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Posted By: hit2710
Date Posted: 12/Oct/2009 at 10:29am
Originally posted by neerajlulla

MOUNT EVERST MINERAL WATER LOOKING GOOD


The problem with the stock as I see it is that once the stock begins to look attractive, Tatas will merge it probably with Tata Tea.

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Posted By: valuepicks
Date Posted: 14/Oct/2009 at 4:45pm
Already they started to diversify into fruit juices (at least a plan, as of now). I definitely see it being merged with Tata Tea later...
 
Originally posted by hit2710


The problem with the stock as I see it is that once the stock begins to look attractive, Tatas will merge it probably with Tata Tea.


Posted By: vishu013
Date Posted: 01/Nov/2009 at 10:01pm
Found this article interesting. The author says, Power, Water and Food to be the next Big things. And how will (Asia) will miss the bus ... etc etc ...

http://new.valueresearchonline.com/story/h2_storyview.asp?str=100953

But this also opens the debate on good bets on these 3 sectors in India.


Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 26/Nov/2009 at 6:41am

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/money-floods-into-wastewater-treatment/377848/ - Money floods into wastewater treatment
P B Jayakumar / Mumbai November 27, 2009, 1:28 IST

Industrialisation, technology, urban need make commercial water supply a growing opportunity ....




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Posted By: Hitesh Shah
Date Posted: 07/Dec/2009 at 7:29am
As instructed by Shiv, links are provided in the approved format:

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/tata-chem-unveils-affordable-water-purifier-swach/80192/on

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/tata-doesnano-in-water-purifiers/378890/

The filter was designed in a Tata Consultancy Services lab, while the silver nanotechnology was added by Tata Chemicals. Titan, Tata’s watch subsidiary, made the precision machine tools to manufacture the filter.

The group’s agrochemical firm, Rallis India, will distribute the product. The farm services business, Tata Kisan Sansar, will also be roped in.


Talk of symbiosis!


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Posted By: new2investing
Date Posted: 17/Feb/2010 at 4:15pm

If observed closely one can find that shortage of pure water has already started getting worse and it is bound to get ugly in the years to come. Hence I find water treatement to be the next big thing in the decades to come and want to cash on this opportunity. But the problem is that the only listed company I know in this space(Ion Exchange) is continuously failing to deliver.

Do TEDians know of any other better companies in this space? 


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Posted By: Monkey
Date Posted: 17/Feb/2010 at 4:56pm
 
Another water play is Mount everest mineral water. This compnay is sold to Tata tea but still listed as separate company. I do not know investment merit of this company. However, their Himalayan brand of water is natural spring water and considered equivalent of Evian.
 
Other indirect play is Thermax as they have waste water treatment division.


Posted By: somu0915
Date Posted: 17/Feb/2010 at 5:26pm
Or IVRCL Infra which has mostly sewer line govt projects.
Best company should be "WABAG". I hope their IPO comes soon.


Posted By: new2investing
Date Posted: 17/Feb/2010 at 10:52am
I also read somewhere about this company, but it was mentioned as 'VA-Tech WABAG'. Is it same? I guess it is the indian subsidiary. I am also waiting for their IPO. 

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Posted By: studentoflife
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2010 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by new2investing

If observed closely one can find that shortage of pure water has already started getting worse and it is bound to get ugly in the years to come. Hence I find water treatement to be the next big thing in the decades to come and want to cash on this opportunity. But the problem is that the only listed company I know in this space(Ion Exchange) is continuously failing to deliver.

Do TEDians know of any other better companies in this space? 
Our ideas resonate. In mumbai even in places where there was 24 hrs water supply earlier,water is not available for more than 5 hrs now.
 
On the top of it immigration into Mumbai from other states is growing.Maharastra HAS to invest in water recycling or atleast create artificial reservoirs.


Posted By: wiseowl
Date Posted: 21/Feb/2010 at 10:18am
Originally posted by ramprakashs

 
On the top of it immigration into Mumbai from other states is growing.Maharastra HAS to invest in water recycling or atleast create artificial reservoirs.


Don't people migrate from rural or semi-urban Maharashtra to Mumbai ?!

Anyway, there are tremendous opportunities in the water supply chain : recyclying, controlling leakages, sea water desalination, rain water harvesting ...The government should have a vision and an action plan. More importantly, the people of Mumbai have to realise the gravity of the situation and force the government on this issue, rather than getting worked up over  petty, parochial issues.


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Posted By: studentoflife
Date Posted: 22/Feb/2010 at 2:11pm
Originally posted by wiseowl

Don't people migrate from rural or semi-urban Maharashtra to Mumbai ?!

Anyway, there are tremendous opportunities in the water supply chain : recyclying, controlling leakages, sea water desalination, rain water harvesting ...The government should have a vision and an action plan. More importantly, the people of Mumbai have to realise the gravity of the situation and force the government on this issue, rather than getting worked up over  petty, parochial issues.
Smile No offence was intended here.It has to  be other cites....


Posted By: pranavmehta85
Date Posted: 22/Feb/2010 at 6:22pm
hello. do anybody of you know about companies which manufacture pumps for water treatment companies. I think this too has a great scope in the future.


Posted By: manojc
Date Posted: 13/Mar/2010 at 9:04am
http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=7&ved=0CFIQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindubusinessline.com%2F2010%2F03%2F13%2Fstories%2F2010031352900300.htm&rct=j&q=water+treatment&ei=H16cS7e3I8K0rAeHyfiBAw&usg=AFQjCNH5QPmaZSiznK8w-aV8BkGzyMQVEw - VA Tech Wabag sees huge potential for ...
 
Company is planning to tap the capital market this year. its valuations might re rate the existing similar players like ion exchange also.



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