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Forum Name: Sector talk
Forum Discription: Discussion on sectors with regard to specific matters. We will be discussing the various sectors of the economy and how they would perform. Basically a top down approach.
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Topic: EDUCATION
Posted By: amit_date
Subject: EDUCATION
Date Posted: 13/Mar/2008 at 2:38pm
Basantji,
 
I wanted to start a new topic under SECTORS i.e. EDUCATION.
 
I was intersted in this topic from stock investing perspective when i read about the sector in a Outlook money issues on emerging sectors. They had polled industry experts on 10 sectors and analysed top 5 emerging businesses. EDUCATION according to them is the no 1.
Interestingly there are very few players like NIIT, Educomp Everonn, Aptech, IEC software etc. Identifying future giants in this field is what I want to do.  This sector is emerging similar to Solar energy, Jatropa etc. But the question is whats the growth potential
 
Thanks,
Amit



Replies:
Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 13/Mar/2008 at 2:57pm
Hi!
 
Welcome to TED.
 
Please introduce yourself on this thread here: http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17 - Let's Introduce ourselves
 
Education is truly recession-proof sector. Let other members who track this sector closely post their views.
 
Jetking, Navneet, Camlin are few additional names which come to mind.


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Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 13/Mar/2008 at 2:58pm
amitji please introduce yourself.


Posted By: prashantmohta
Date Posted: 13/Mar/2008 at 2:59pm
we have covered  and discucssed here each stock in a seperate thread.go and read.


Posted By: deveshkayal
Date Posted: 13/Mar/2008 at 9:59am
Munesh Khanna is very bullish on this sector. I have very high respect for him as he was the highest paid i-banker in India when he was working for DSP ML !
 
Amit, can you tell us a little about IEC software ....
 


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Posted By: Blues Soul
Date Posted: 15/Mar/2008 at 8:04pm

CLSA has published its sector report on Indian Education. Am posting a summary of the report here. Anyone wants the full report can PM me.

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With 142 million of India's 361 million school-age children not attending classes, Indian education's shortcomings are well documented. However, the opportunities it offers for organised private-sector involvement do not enjoy such recognition. In our view, turning education into a profitable, high-growth business is a long-term investment theme. Corporate initiatives are beginning to address the needs of India’s youth by tapping into the propensity of the middle class to spend more on education.

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The questions that this report seeks to answer include the following:

  • How big is the market, and what are its key segments?
  • Who are the players, publicly listed and private? We have mentioned at least 80 private players in the space.
  • What are the regulatory issues around education? What is the future of education related regulation in India?
  • What are the corresponding stocks worldwide in education, and what is the framework for education across the US, UK, Brazil, Korea and Singapore?

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A US$40bn market. We estimate the Kindergarten to Grade 12 (K-12) segment at US$20bn, private professional colleges at US$7bn and tutoring at US$5bn. These are the largest segments of the total private education market that we estimate to be worth some US$40bn. Other meaningful and fast-growing areas include vocational training at US$1.4bn, test preparation at US$1.7bn and preschools at US$1bn. Our proprietary work indicates a growing shift towards private schooling. India’s 75,000 private schools account for 7% of total institutions, but enrol 40% of the country’s 219 million students – even as some 142 million children are not in the school system.

Diversity promises consolidation. The combined market capitalisation of listed education companies in India is only about US$2.6bn, on 2008 revenue of US$450m. We see consolidation ahead, as national chains emerge. Test prep and tutoring appear most segmented, being spread thinly between small regional players; while areas such as e-learning, teacher training and online tutoring are nascent. K-12 and private professional colleges are the most scalable segments on offer.

Regulatory clarity could catalyse growth. The liberalisation debate will intensify as India’s policy planners struggle with a failed public-education system amid continued resistance to the commercialisation of education. Court judgements have talked of a “reasonable surplus” for schools and higher-education establishments, without clarifying the scale of profits that constitute the surplus. In the absence of centralised or regionally consistent regulation, profit is likely to come from the provision of services such as land leases, intellectual property and school management. Nonetheless, recent policy statements indicate a more liberal and welcoming environment ahead for private participation.

Upsides for the well-positioned. We rate Educomp and Aptech BUYs; NIIT an Outperformer, while Everonn should Underperform. Educomp stands out with sector-leading 90-100% EPS growth coupled with long-term portfolio mapping across attractive segments. Aptech’s focus in China and India, and scale in new retail initiatives gives it an EPS Cagr in excess of 50% without the need for high capex. It also enjoys attractive valuations. NIIT, despite its rampup in vocational training, appears hemmed in by its exposure to the slow-growing US corporate-training market, which contributes 56% of revenue. However, inexpensive valuations and improving financials support an Outperform rating. Everonn is most expensive but lacks the breadth of portfolio to back up its valuation multiples.



Posted By: anandgh
Date Posted: 21/Jun/2009 at 12:28pm
Can I get a full report of Indian Education sector?

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Posted By: hardik0007
Date Posted: 26/Jun/2009 at 12:06pm
Kapil Sibal unveiled his 100-day agenda
 
The first being the plans to establish an independent accreditation authority to rate http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Sibals-100-day-agenda-for-mission-education/articleshow/4703928.cms#">schools , and the second, a law to prevent, prohibit and punish educational malpractices in the country. This in addition to the "brain gain policy" suggested by President Pratibha Devisingh Patil in her address.
 
We are going to bring a law to prevent, prohibit and punish http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Sibals-100-day-agenda-for-mission-education/articleshow/4703928.cms#">educational malpractices in the country. It is meant to make the system more transparent.
 
We will explore the possibility of setting up an independent accreditation authority. At present there is no accreditation policy on http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/PoliticsNation/Sibals-100-day-agenda-for-mission-education/articleshow/4703928.cms#">schools . If any child goes to a school, he has no information how the school is. There is no agency in India to accredit them or give the school a rating.
And those who would not apply for accreditation, we will know why they are not doing so.
accreditation body would not face "any interference from the government.
 
Among the unfinished agenda of the last government, which Mr Sibal plans to work on within 100 days is the formulation of a distance education policy, passage of the Right of Children to Free and Compulsory Education Bill, consensus on the establishment of an all India madarsa Board and the law to allow for foreign educational providers.


Posted By: FutureBull
Date Posted: 26/Jun/2009 at 5:22pm
has anybody looked at Core projects & Tech. it has grown at 50% on consolidated basis and available at PE 7.5..is anybody bullish on the same?

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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 11/Jul/2009 at 10:58am
Best buy is Educomp solution,the leader to be next infosys of future.believe it or not? but my feel is still it is cheap to buy and hold for long term.forget day to day ups and down.

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more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.


Posted By: ThomsonKrish
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2010 at 11:00am

Anybody tracking the education sector and allied stocks closely. Since the govt has given lot more priority and making a right (for free education) on school education and budget spend is increasing year after year with respect to GDP,do you have any idea on education sector stocks. The sector is a high growth sector with good margins but very little moat.

There are certain stocks some of which are already discussed in seperate threads viz, Educomp, Everonn,Edserve,Aptech,NIIT,Core Projects etc....

what's ur opinion on education sector and the growth expected in India? Is there any stock which members r bullish particularly?

There are different sections - Pre-School, K12,Vocational, College and universities,e-learning and content etc...Would like to discuss more ...


Kindly share the ideas and opinions.


Posted By: nitin_jagtap
Date Posted: 12/Apr/2010 at 11:25am
There is lot of private equity money that is coming in this sector across all categories. Right from schools to grad colleges, finishing schools , vocational schools....all though by itself the  size of opp  looks stagerring the main issue is for organised players to scale up and achieve that economies of scale.

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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 23/Apr/2010 at 10:41am
There is another new entry into education is Usha martin education bse code 532398 looks promising.It may take some time but already FII started taking their long term position into it.Great future multibagger and must to have in portfolio.

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more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.


Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 26/Apr/2010 at 4:11pm
Originally posted by ThomsonKrish


Anybody tracking the education sector and allied stocks closely.

Edserve is probably locked by 20% right now.
The stocks came down from its high of ~280.
We need EDUCATION (everyone) indeed!
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2010 at 9:45am
I have not looked at them but somehow I have this strange feeling that education might not create that super normal returns of the past (Educomp).


Originally posted by rajibhui

Basantaji

  I am interested about   Infinite computer solution india ltd. and Birla Sloka Education ltd,. I  would like to know your view about the fundamental of the companies. I have a long term(3/4 years) perspective. Is it good to buy these companies at the current price and p/e?mputer Solutions India Ltd


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Posted By: arunshah2k
Date Posted: 27/Apr/2010 at 10:09am
I think the returns will be more aligned with EPS increase as compared to PE increase.

There are lots of players entering Education space even HDFC is entering there!


Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 30/Apr/2010 at 9:32am
Buy Sundaram Multi [email protected] is one paid up stock.Foray into education. E-CLASS well received in education area in several states of India.Projected NP 2011 & 2012  by company is 75 crores & 140 crores respectively.Another future multibagger and wealth creator stock.Looks promising and another Educomp in making.

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more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.


Posted By: camanoj
Date Posted: 30/Apr/2010 at 11:48am
Originally posted by experteye

Buy Sundaram Multi [email protected] is one paid up stock.Foray into education. E-CLASS well received in education area in several states of India.Projected NP 2011 & 2012  by company is 75 crores & 140 crores respectively.Another future multibagger and wealth creator stock.Looks promising and another Educomp in making.
I guess your statement "E-CLASS well received in education area in several states of India" implies that IT-based teaching media (like smart class) are well received. I think E-CLASS is Sundaram's brand and you are not referring to it because e-calss is yet to be launched. E-class launch is being repeatedly delayed. The launch will be limited to mumbai, thane & a few selected districts of maharashtra this year.

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Posted By: experteye
Date Posted: 01/May/2010 at 12:48pm
The E-class already been launched.The other places it is starting to launch from this month May2010,announced by company itself.Sundaram Multi EDUSYS foray going to make mindboggling success in std.8,9,& 10th and they are revolutionising coaching classes too,with new concept of virtual software pacages.To have better insight you can visit, log on http://www.sundaramedusys.in/   Sundaram multi is sure long term multibagger.Just accumulate the stock.

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more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.


Posted By: camanoj
Date Posted: 03/May/2010 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by experteye

The E-class already been launched.The other places it is starting to launch from this month May2010,announced by company itself.Sundaram Multi EDUSYS foray going to make mindboggling success in std.8,9,& 10th and they are revolutionising coaching classes too,with new concept of virtual software pacages.To have better insight you can visit, log on http://www.sundaramedusys.in/   Sundaram multi is sure long term multibagger.Just accumulate the stock.
I saw the site you mentioned. There is a toll free number 1800 2099 699 given for e-class. Please call up this number and you will realise that peons are picking up the number and have no idea who to forward the phone. I doubt that the product is launched! Be careful.

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Manoj


Posted By: amitdip
Date Posted: 24/May/2010 at 12:50pm
Sibal says India needs 700 more universities and 35,000 colleges by 2020. He is open to more private participation in higher education.

“(The) government does not have that kind of resources. But resources are available to the private sector,” he said. “The opportunity is enormous. There will be private participation; there will be private-public partnership,” he said.

http://www.livemint.com/2010/05/23211830/NCHER-will-be-an-independent-b.html?atype=tp - http://www.livemint.com/2010/05/23211830/NCHER-will-be-an-independent-b.html?atype=tp


Posted By: gary24
Date Posted: 25/May/2010 at 5:32pm
The initiative may or may not be already on but I don't see Sundaram e-class getting anywhere close to a decent size in next 2 -3 years. The key question is "what specific value-add that this brings that other providers can't replicate?
Technology - no ; Content - No ; Scale ; just starting up ; cost - Don't think so!

so, I dont know how one can predict it to be a multi-bagger so early in the lifecycle?

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Posted By: briankim09
Date Posted: 10/Jun/2010 at 2:37pm
Hi !!!
I am new here too. I am interested in the stock market and have played with a couple of demo accounts without to much success, which is why I guess luckily I have not progressed from the demo status. Nice to join this discuss.


Posted By: j2eeprofessiona
Date Posted: 11/Jun/2010 at 12:57pm
One of the best picks in my opinion is FirstObject Technologies and its business is probably least capital intensive as it plans to do mostly stuff in the virtual world. They have curicullam right from pre-school to university level and they have host of product launches scheduled in the next six months. they have a very strong management and is extremely cheap right now. its consolidated EPS is rs 6 and is available at around 6 PE... my two cents are on this stock...


Posted By: vishalkejriwal
Date Posted: 02/Jul/2010 at 12:04pm
if you are looking for a education sector stock  than you must have Compucom Sofwre in your portfolio for high gain in short span of time.


Posted By: amitdip
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2010 at 6:02am
Originally posted by j2eeprofessiona

One of the best picks in my opinion is FirstObject Technologies and its business is probably least capital intensive as it plans to do mostly stuff in the virtual world. They have curicullam right from pre-school to university level and they have host of product launches scheduled in the next six months. they have a very strong management and is extremely cheap right now. its consolidated EPS is rs 6 and is available at around 6 PE... my two cents are on this stock...


13% promoter stake not concern ?


Posted By: amitdip
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2010 at 6:03am
Originally posted by vishalkejriwal

if you are looking for a education sector stock  than you must have Compucom Sofwre in your portfolio for high gain in short span of time.


Please elaborate on the edge of compucom software ?

Thanks


Posted By: gary24
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2010 at 9:41am
Yes -I'd appreciate some details on why you think that these companies are well poised to benefit from education boom in India. Many thanks.

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Posted By: j2eeprofessiona
Date Posted: 04/Jul/2010 at 9:45am
Originally posted by amitdip

Originally posted by j2eeprofessiona

One of the best picks in my opinion is FirstObject Technologies and its business is probably least capital intensive as it plans to do mostly stuff in the virtual world. They have curicullam right from pre-school to university level and they have host of product launches scheduled in the next six months. they have a very strong management and is extremely cheap right now. its consolidated EPS is rs 6 and is available at around 6 PE... my two cents are on this stock...


13% promoter stake not concern ?


not at all. they have recently done 4.5 % preferential allotment to themselves at rs 45. Secondly, they keep doing creeping acquisition from time to time. thirdly, great management, a turnaround company, intelligent acquisitions and lastly an low capital intensive operations which has potential to generate much better bottomline than any other education corp.

Look from where its coming and you would understand why i am not worried about this... and with the current price its trading at the lower end. results should be very good by the way..


Posted By: TCSer
Date Posted: 05/Jul/2010 at 11:47pm
amit

Relaxo is rocking.

pl have a look at liberty phosphtes n khaitan fertilizers as these will be the major beneficiaries of nutrient based subsidies n are trading at low pe for march 11.



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