Insiders - What are they doing?
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Topic: Insiders - What are they doing?
Posted By: basant
Subject: Insiders - What are they doing?
Date Posted: 09/Aug/2006 at 12:48pm
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This section has been introduced to enable participants to post news about the market grapewine, promoter trades, new orders, new expansion programmes or any such information which you think is genuinely possible.
Would request you to substantiate your news with as much data as possible so that it does not look like a rumour.
Regards,
Basant
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Posted By: Vivek Sukhani
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2006 at 6:06pm
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I want to raise an issue here.tellme, how mych does trading on insiders help. My experience is that it makes money for you so long as the market is with you, but the moment, market reverses, all the built up gains simply vanish you, leaving you with nothing inside.also, it may attract legal actions. Insider trading makes one greedy which along with the sentiment of fear, must be resited at all cost. What do you say?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2006 at 6:15pm
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The idea is not to get into news that are illegal but that which are probable - something that we refer to as the mosaic theory in finance. Yes, the topic does attract raised eye brows but I thought that if you could have people discussing why ceratin managemnts have raised stakes and why some have sold it could be interesting also many times there are news about certain acquisitions, sell offs in some news papers, wwe could discuss those issues as well.
By the way did you know that Udayan Mukherjee holds over 100,000 shares of TV 18 both as a mix of ESOP and otherwise. News such as these could make the topic interesting.
And I have already asked participants to put up news in such fashion that it does like like we are trying to manipulate certain scrips in the market.
The topic is Insiders - What are they doing and not Inside NEws so that is the point and finally we can always censor some items that appear falsified or manipulative.
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Posted By: RITESHKAMANI
Date Posted: 10/Aug/2006 at 11:29pm
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i totally agree with Mr Basant .Important point is not that whether it make ppl greedy or it will not help anyone in longer term.But the fact is that it exists n there is nothing wrong if someone follows it.I guess this is an individual opinion .
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 11:23pm
This info. will help us definitely. To get the news about a company, almost as fast as someone who has strong connections with the company, is good for us. So let's share it. Good Luck
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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it
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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 08/Sep/2006 at 4:33am
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The great Warren Buffet once said: "With enough inside information and a million dollars you can go broke in a year"
Another one I heard from Gul Tekchandani: TIP spelt backwards is PIT, that's what you get into when you follow stock-tips blindly.
While I agree that information and news flow helps, but one MUST stick to his/her own discipline, study the impact on business.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 09/Sep/2006 at 2:07pm
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I dont think we would blindly follow a tip. But however, thanks for your input kulman. Good luck
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The most important quality for an investor is temperament,not intellect.A temperament that neither derives great pleasure from being with the crowd nor against it
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 11/Sep/2006 at 3:12am
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This will be a good place to visit regularly...
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When going gets tough, that’s when tough (people) gets going.
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Posted By: wba5261
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2006 at 12:54pm
India's industrial output growth accelerated to 12.4% on year in July from 4.7% in the same month last year, government data issued Tuesday show.
On-year industrial output growth also quickened from 9.0% in June.
The pace of growth is above analysts' expectations. A poll of eight economists showed that industrial output in July was expected to have grown 11.5% on year.
Manufacturing output, which has an 80% weighting in the industrial output index, rose 13.3% on year in July compared with 6.0% in the same month a year ago
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Posted By: wba5261
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2006 at 1:18pm
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India bonds little changed despite strong July industrial output data; IIP at 12.4% on year vs 4.7% in same period last year and beating poll estimate of 11.5%. 10-year at 98.80 vs 99.00 earlier, 99.25 last close. "Even though a rate hike looks more likely at this point owing to strong growth and a rise in credit, I don't think the government will do it because they cannot keep offering credit at a higher rate," says primary dealer. Says, "interest rates will rise only if inflation starts picking up". Tips 2016 bond in 98.70-98.80 band rest of session.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2006 at 9:22pm
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Hi All,
Indian Toners and Developers Limited, which is a leading manufacturer of compatible black toners for Photocopiers,Laser Printers,Digital Machines and Multi Function Printers.
Insider information is promoter held companies are buying stocks daily in open market, so guys keep an eye on this even result is looking good, could be a good trading pick..
Regards,
Reetesh.
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Posted By: omshivaya
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2006 at 10:26pm
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OK. Not "investment pick"? Kindly clarify.
Thanks
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 12/Sep/2006 at 10:40pm
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Company is too small to think that big right now. We can buy around these level and see how it pans out. Last quater was good. I think for financials we need to consult Mr. Basant, I dont think I should say anything on financials.
Zero debt company....
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 13/Sep/2006 at 3:00pm
Something is cooking in BPL.. I am not sure what, then why I said something is cooking because there are lot of people who loves consumer companies, I am not mentioning anybodys name...
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Posted By: investor
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 3:46pm
Basant,
could you take a look at this article and give your comments:
Big boys of Indian mkt shore up holdings
Promoters across Indian companies are shoring up their holdings after the recent market crash., presumably to take advantage of the low price vis-à-vis May 11 highs. And examples galore.
According to news reports, while RCL saw Anil Ambani group buying 1.9 crore shares in it between June 23 and August 2, http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/shipping/greateasternshippingcompany/17/07/pricechartquote/marketprice/GES - GE Shipping witnessed Sheths acquiring 8.7 lakh shares during August 10-21. KK Birla family is said to have bought nearly 10 lakh shares of http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/fertilisers/chambalfertiliserschemicals/17/08/pricechartquote/marketprice/CFC - Chambal Fertilisers during July 24-27; and the promoters of http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/textilesproducts/welspunindia/17/08/pricechartquote/marketprice/WI03 - Welspun India is said to have bought 16.3 lakh between April 20 and July 31.
Then we have Tata Sons, which raised its stake in http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/fertilisers/tatachemicals/17/08/pricechartquote/marketprice/TC - Tata Chemicals last month. Tatas have also decided to raise their stake in http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/steellarge/tatasteel/17/08/pricechartquote/marketprice/TIS - Tata Steel as well.
Although
a clear picture regarding promoter's holding of all the company's under
BSE 500 will emerge only aftert the second quarter results are out, we
can analyse the pattern for the first quarter.
In
the BSE 500 companies surveyed by Moneycontrol, promoter stake has gone
up in as many as 16 companies in the latest quarter, i.e quarter ending
either in June or March ( quarter-ends vary from company to company).
Here, we are only mentioning companies where promoter's have increased
their holding above 10%.
Two
textile companies - Raymond India and Vertex Spinning--have gone in for
big stake hikes. While promoters of Vertex Spinning have increased
their stakes by 64% in the quarter ending June 2006, Raymond promoters
upped their stakes by 34% at the end of June 2006 quarter.
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RAYMONDS is no small company, and for their promoters to increase their stake so much means they are confident going forward. And insider buying is always more important to observe than insider selling...
so do you think any of these companies can be a buy right now?
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 18/Sep/2006 at 10:02pm
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"Promoters buying back shares is good news" - this is what we have learnt.
I would put a caveat to that. If promoters are buying back througfh new issue of shares then it is not that good after all except that it installs confidence. The best comes when promoters buy back from the open market. This has the following effects:
1) Less floating stock less supply
2) Transfer of ownership from weak (general investors) to strong (promoters) hands.
3) No dilution in equity
4) RoE/EPS remains same
On the other hand a promoters buying shares through new issue has the following rpoblems:
1) Equity dilution
2) EPS/RoE go down temporarily till that money is put to productive use.
3) Confidence is installed but most of the time this is done because the promoters feel insecure rather then the company needing genuine capital.
4) The relative shareholding percentage of the minority shareholder gets reduced. He holds the same number of shares on a larger equity base.
We therefore need to see who are the promoters buying from the market Rel Communication is one while the Tata are diluiting capital.
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Posted By: reetesh
Date Posted: 21/Sep/2006 at 12:26pm
Something is cooking in fertiliser sector, and in particular Tata Chem and Nagarjuna Fertiliser..
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Posted By: prosperity
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 10:41pm
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NSE Announcements on TV 18 |
Television Eighteen India Ltd. has informed the Exchange that Mr. R. D. S. Bawa, C.F.O and Mr. Anil Srivastava, Company Secretary of the Company has informed the company that they have sold 1,00,000 shares and 25,000 shares of the company respectively over the last four days in the open market.
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 28/Sep/2006 at 10:48pm
have clarified in the Tv18 section.
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Posted By: xbox
Date Posted: 27/Mar/2007 at 2:38pm
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Rajat Monga and Somak Ghosh (employee of YES Bank) picked 2.5 Lakhs shares each from open markets.
Khazanah picked approx 1.4 Cr shares in various block deals.
Citi sold approx 36 Lakhs shares of IBREL. Promoters picked few from markets (not confirmed yet).
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Posted By: BULLSEYE
Date Posted: 27/Mar/2007 at 6:11pm
| NSE Symbol |
http://nseindia.com/marketinfo/equities/cmquote.jsp?key=TITANEQN&symbol=TITAN&flag=0 - TITAN |
| Short Description |
Reg.7(3) of SEBI (Substantial Acq of shares &Takeovers),1997 |
| Entity making the Disclosure |
Titan Industries Ltd. |
| Name of the Target Company |
Titan Industries Ltd. |
| Name of the acquirers/sellers and PACs with them |
Mr. Rakesh Jhunjhunwala and persons acting in concert with him |
| Date of Acquisition/sale |
22-MAR-2007 |
| Mode of acquisition (e.g. open market / public issue / rights issue / preferential allotment / interse transfer etc.) |
Market Purchase |
| Mode of sale (e.g. open market/MOU/off market, etc.) |
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| Particulars of acquisition/sale |
Number |
Type |
% w.r.t. total paid up capital of Target Company |
| Shares/Voting rights (VR) before acquisition under consideration |
3959127 |
Equity |
8.919 |
| Shares/voting rights acquired |
50000 |
Equity |
0.113 |
| Shares/VR after acquisition |
4009127 |
Equity |
9.032 | |
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Mar/2007 at 7:25pm
Very interesting inputs.
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Posted By: Ajith
Date Posted: 27/Mar/2007 at 10:56pm
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Mr. Basant,BULLSEYE
Current equity of Titan is Rs.82.28 crores as per moneycontrol and the percentage of voting rights does not match that or am I mistaken?
The market cap according to Economic Times is Rs 3729 crores and so equity is what was in my mind before checking up today at moneycontrol and so Bullviews figures are right.
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Ajith
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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 27/Mar/2007 at 12:10pm
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Moneycontrol gets its financial figures wrong many a times with titan the equity is closer to 4.4 crore shares.
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