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Topic: ABB - Power packed!
Posted By: nil_money
Subject: ABB - Power packed!
Date Posted: 02/Sep/2007 at 11:56am

Citigroup is bullish on http://indiaearnings.moneycontrol.com/sub_india/comp_results.php?sc_did=ABB - ABB and has recommended buy rating on the company raising the target price to Rs 1266 from Rs 1103.20. Research firm expect earnings CAGR of 49% (from 42% earlier) over CY06-09E with RoEs at the 37% level, driven by sales CAGR of 42%.

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Citigroup report on ABB:

Raise target price to Rs 1,266:

We are raising our target price to Rs 1,266 (from Rs 1,103.2 earlier) on the back of a 7-17% earnings revision over CY06- 09E. We now expect earnings CAGR of 49% (from 42% earlier) over CY06-09E with RoEs at the 37% level, driven by sales CAGR of 42%.

30% premium to BHEL:

Our target price is based on a P/E of 30x FY09E at a 30% premium to BHEL given: 1) EPS CAGR of 49%; 2) RoEs of 37%; 3) Access to parent technology; and 4) ABB India’s importance in the ABB Group.

Power opportunity: Stronger for longer:

India needs investments to the tune of USD 246 billion in the power sector in the XIth Plan (FY08-12). Of this, 41.8% pertains to T&D and RE that ABB can address. Further, with generation targets set at 82.2GW in the XIIth Plan (FY13-17) vis-ŕ-vis 78.6GW in the Xth Plan, this opportunity will only grow bigger.

Can ABB India match ABB China?:

ABB China grew sales at a CAGR of 33% over a 7-year period between CY98 to CY05. ABB India may find it possible to repeat this feat in India given India is the fastest growing T&D market in the world, a fact corroborated by both ABB an Areva.

Increasing importance in the ABB group:

India is not only a promising domestic market, where ABB is well-positioned as a market leader in power and automation technologies, but also a key regional and global resource base because of lower costs and higher productivity. ABB India is now a 1) global sourcing hub; 2) global R&D centre; and 3) regional excellence centre.

New target price of Rs 1,266

We are raising our target price to Rs 1,266 (from 1103.2 earlier) on the back of a 7-17% earnings revision over CY07E-09E. Our target price is based on 30x FY09E (same as earlier), which is a 30% premium to BHEL. Our argument about why ABB should trade at a premium to BHEL (BHEL.BO – Rs 1,806.15; 1L) remains the same:

1) Business and Financial Perspective

ABB is the best play on the India’s T&D capex, in our view, and we believe the T&D capex cycle will be stronger for longer.

ABB has a significant presence in the automation space, which is being driven by an unprecedented corporate capex wave.

Access to the parent (a global leader in power and automation technology) implies ABB has no technological constraints and does not have to worry about getting a technology partner for new products, as has been the case with BHEL in its tie-ups with Alstom and Siemens for super critical technology and with GE for advanced class gas turbines.

ABB India is now increasingly important in the ABB group scheme of things because it is a: 1) global sourcing hub; 2) global R&D centre; and 3) regional
excellence centre.

Higher RoEs without leverage and stronger earnings CAGR vis-ŕ-vis peers.

2) Trading Perspective

ABB has traded at average premium of 50%+ to BHEL for the past three years. The premium actually narrowed in CY03-06 compared to CY99-03, as BHEL has re-rated significantly in the past three years.

ABB has also traded at an average premium of 85%+ to the BSE Sensex over the past three years.

Raising our earnings estimates

We are raising our earnings estimates for ABB by 7%, 14% and 17% for CY07E, CY08E and CY09E respectively on the back of:

  • 53% YoY growth in sales, 111bps EBITDA margin expansion and 58% YoY growth in PAT in the 1HCY07.
  • Our higher sales number is on strong order booking (OB at the end of 1HCY07 was Rs46.4bn up 48% YoY) and strong order inflow outlook.

As we factor in some amount of operating leverage kicking in we have increased our EBITDA margins assumptions by 70-120bps over CY07E-09E We now expect an EPS CAGR of 49% (vis-ŕ-vis 42% previously) over CY06-09E with RoE at the 37-40% levels.

source : MC
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is there any specific reason this company not discussed on TED? ... basantji what are your views on ABB?
 


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Thanks,
Nilesh



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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 12:14pm
No, nothing like that. I do not follow engineering companies hence I do not discuss them but we have opened a thread for this and can get inputs from members who track this space.

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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 1:34pm
Great product range: Power Generation, T&D, Automation etc...
 
Valuation multiple is a concern. Business growth-wise, no doubt on excellent opportunity & capability to grow @ 20~25% CAGR over foreseeable future.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: smartcat
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 3:45pm
Trailing 12 month P/E of 60 plus, for a 'compounder'? I don't know..


Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 3:59pm
Finally when we hit that magical mark of 30k-40k on the sensex ABB, BHEL and LT are the stocks that would go bezerk something like what infy and Satyam did in 2000!
 
Valuations will blow and multiples will explode but for somebody who invests on value or GARP principle this is a toughb tone to initiate an entry in.


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Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 8:32pm
In my opinion, companies like ABB, L&T, BHEL and the like are likely to remain at a high PE for a coniderable period of time, similar to IT companies, due to the growth story that they represent and "value Investors", will miss out this story the same way they missed out on the IT story.
To site an example, is the last week on 2006,CNBC conducted an opnion poll among brokerage houses for the most overvalued stock of 2006 and BHEL was listed among the top 10 (note that that the stock was cum bonus at that time). This resulted in a correction in the stock price (alongwith the rest of the market and had me worrred too since I was accumulating the stock at that time).
 
Since then , the stock have given excellent gains and would most likely be rated as the most overvalued stock of 2007 too!!!


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There are two times in a man's life when he should not speculate-when he can't afford it and when he can-Happy investing!


Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 12:14pm

And If I recollect correctly SUZLON was termed as second stretched stocks in regard to valuation on the same survey!



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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 8:27am
That's the reason the Master says.....
 
A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought --- Warren Buffett
 
 


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Posted By: nil_money
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 9:49am

all n all ... it is worth holding this gem for long term .. isnt it?



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Thanks,
Nilesh


Posted By: catcall
Date Posted: 03/Sep/2007 at 9:53am
You bet it is!!!

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There are two times in a man's life when he should not speculate-when he can't afford it and when he can-Happy investing!


Posted By: PKB2000
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 2:22pm
Originally posted by kulman

That's the reason the Master says.....
 
A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought --- Warren Buffett
 
 
VALUATION!!
Dada

I am not a good storyteller yet wish to say this story as I heard from my father.

Many of you may know this story.

Once there was a quack in a village. He was not aware about anatomy but he possessed some god-gifted power of curing the patient. What was most thrilling was his Operations and surgical knowledge. All villagers along with neighborhood villages surround him for treatment especially for any type of external surgery. Everything was smoothly running except there appears once doctor who had qualified degree for surgery. He passed out from renowned medical college in the city. As soon as he came to village a few educated villagers flocked him for treatment but they felt that the quack was much better so they again went back to that quack for his advice or treatment. The new qualified doctor found it very difficult to run his business and the same time he could not make out why the quack is successful but he is not.

He met quack and became his friend. He found that the quack has some inherent power and do not have any knowledge in anatomy yet because of her extra sense / talent he can make the operations very precisely and successfully. The case was different for him and whenever any surgery was needed he was confused with greater subject of anatomy and he wanted to take lots of care to make the operation successful. He was over careful.

 

So he decided that he needs to do something and planned. He came to the quack and asked him to have little knowledge of Anatomy. The quack thought why not, it is better to have little knowledge so that he can be more powerful. The qualified doctor started teaching the quack about anatomy, about skin, tissues, blood group and so on. The quack took a great interest but studied very little and his mind was not capable to go in deep about all these. He was tensed and the tension came thereafter in his operation also. Gradually he was concentrating more on skin. Tissue etc.. The little learning coupled with anxious mind gradually pave the way for his ruin.

Slowly he lost his business and the doctor even though he was not good in his work got more work to do.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 04/Sep/2007 at 2:55pm

Good one PKB Dada!



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Posted By: prashantstk
Date Posted: 07/Sep/2007 at 3:17pm
Thanks ,
At last we started discussion on ABB .
This share is under my observasation since long i ask few questions to basant ji @ ABB
 


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prashant


Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 09/Sep/2007 at 12:41pm
HBL carries this interesting http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/iw/2007/09/09/stories/2007090950601500.htm - interview of ABB India's chief .
 
Excerpts from the interview:

Indian industry has so far been low on automation compared to global standards. Is this changing?

Indian industry, on the whole, is characterised by low level of automation awareness and adoption. Likewise, even the power sector, in order to be more efficient, needs to leverage technologies such as SCADA, Energy Management Systems and utility automation, across the value chain, to a far greater extent.

Even where automation exists in Indian industry, it is at a lower technology threshold compared to world standards. The total automation market in China, for instance, is 8-10 times larger than in India. Based on a historical perspective, automation has been looked upon more as a shop-floor tool than a ‘business performance enabler’.

There are, of course, a few exceptions. For instance, some of our steel plants, refineries, petrochemical plants and food and pharma units have adopted high-end automation technologies.

The manufacturing sector’s growth will, however, depend upon a multitude of factors, one of the most important being leveraging of automation technologies. Indian industry has also long believed that its ‘cost advantage’ lies in lower labour costs but this attitude is fast changing.

How do you view the industrial capex in India at present? Which sectors have shown greater momentum?

We have seen acceleration in industrial growth, led by core sectors such as iron and steel, cement, pulp and paper, construction, oil, gas and petrochemicals. Capacity and productivity focus are driving investments, as Indian industry gears up to meet rising domestic consumption needs and, at the same time, strive for global competitiveness. The pick-up in our automation business reflects this, with several key orders from the metals, cement, pulp and paper and construction sectors being received for integrated electrical and automation solutions.

Are you positive about the country achieving its target in the power segment in the Eleventh Plan even as the earlier ones have shown slippages?

In the Eleventh Plan, India is planning to add over 78,500 MW of generation capacity and this is certainly an ambitious aspiration, given that we have not added more than 22,500 MW in any previous Plan period. Of course, some of the trends are encouraging. The sector has now been opened up and private participation is on the rise. Several UMPP (Ultra Mega Power Projects) are on the anvil.

Coal availability has been eased to some extent as thermal power continues to be our mainstay. At the same time, hydel power, alternative energy sources and even captive power development are increasingly gaining attention. Given the decent start so far and the projects in the pipeline, even an average addition of 10,000 MW per annum (around 50,000 MW during the full Plan) would be a laudable achievement.

The rural electrification programme, Rajiv Gandhi Grameen Vidhyutikaran Yojana (RGGVY scheme), and the revitalised APDRP (Accelerated Power Development and Reform Programme) continue to drive the Government’s promised Power to All by 2012 vision.

From a transmission and distribution perspective, building a national transmission network, enhanced system efficiencies, grid reliability and T&D loss reduction continue to be the key priorities even as utilities increasingly leverage the latest technologies on offer to bring technical and operational efficiencies as well as financial viability to their operations.

A delay in Indian power reforms could slow down the sector in which you operate. As you derive much of your revenue from the domestic market, what strategies are you adopting?

ABB in India has strength in power and automation technologies and this gives us a wide operating window. In terms of our portfolio, we do three types of business — projects, products and services. Here, in terms of projects versus products and services, we had an 80:20 mix a few years ago.

Our portfolio realignment strategy has been extremely successful. The growth of our standard products business, through market penetration, and range expansion have yielded good results. Service business growth is also on track.

In fact, products and services together are contributing nearly 50 per cent of the volumes. Meanwhile projects continue to be the mainstay as ABB caters to its utility and industry customers through turnkey solutions, power and automation technologies. Basically this now gives us three strong legs instead of one!

To generate incremental growth and support our traditional businesses, we have introduced several new verticals and revenue streams that provide both power and automation solutions in sectors such as water, ports, railways, asset management services, etc.

While we focus on top-line growth, we shall maintain our focus on operational efficiencies and managing growth in a profitable and sustainable way. Going forward, we shall continue to increase ‘depth’ and ‘breadth’ and at the same time, strengthen our resource base and sharpen our delivery systems.

Could you comment on ABB India’s growing role in the region as a global resource base?

Besides serving the needs of the domestic market, ABB is also increasingly leveraging India as a key resource base in line with its global footprint approach, be it projects, products, services, R&D or engineering. India has been assigned the global factory role for several products such as High and Medium Voltage circuit breakers, magnetic actuators, etc, and also supplies many components and sub-assemblies.

India has also been designated as the hub for the South Asia-Pacific region and we have a key role to play in the region. ABB technologies and products are universal to the extent that the company no longer believes in Made in India, China or US but adopt a Made in ABB philosophy.

What are the capital investment plans for ABB India?

To meet growing power and industrial sector demand, capacity and range expansion programmes are under way across locations. ABB India has just completed a comprehensive investment programme for capacity and range expansion, to the tune of around $100 million and has subsequently announced another $50-60 million investment to be completed by the end of 2008. However, based on business needs we can even invest more, as required, as long as the returns justify it. In a nutshell, ‘we don’t cap capex’!

Many new products and verticals have been added to support the growth of existing business in the quest to constantly add new revenue streams for incremental growth. Several new manufacturing units have also been set up in the last two years in Bangalore, Vadodara, and Nashik and more recently a Low Voltage Distribution Electricals Unit at Haridwar. Capacity expansion is also under way across businesses and locations with plans for further enhancement.

 



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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2007 at 9:44pm
ABB the $25 billion global player in power and automation technologies, is investing a further $100 million over the next three years in the Indian market for capacity and range expansion.
 
The Indian unit which has a topline of $1 billion backed by strong demand in the power generation and core sectors growth, will use this additional investment to double its topline in three years time. The headcount of the Indian unit is expected to cross the 10,000 mark from the current 6,000 in the same time-frame.

 On the anvil is a greenfield facility at Nelamangala, near Bangalore for manufacturing low voltage products and power electronics. The company is also establishing new manufacturing units in Vadodara for small power transformers and distribution automation products.

ABB will double its production capacity for high voltage breakers , instrument transformers and high tension machines as well as expand the capacity of large power transformers to 17,000 MVA as part of its expansion plans. ABB will also manufacture 765 kV equipment in India, to support the country’s power infrastructure needs.

Source: http://www.business-standard.com/bsonline/storypage.php?leftnm=11&bKeyFlag=IN&autono=30808 - ABB plans $100mn expansion
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2007 at 10:15pm
On ABB's mkt cap 100mn is small change!But we need to work out the additional sale that this 100mn can generate.

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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2007 at 10:31pm
How much CAGR would this be....
 
will use this additional investment to double its topline in three years time. ???
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2007 at 10:36pm
Originally posted by kulman

How much CAGR would this be....
 
will use this additional investment to double its topline in three years time. ??? 
 
 
Try the rule  of 72 for example if something doubles in 3years the CAGR is 72/3-= 24% if it doubles in 9 years CAGR is 72/9=8%.


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Posted By: kulman
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2007 at 10:46pm
Okay...that means ABB is quoting at PEG ratio of over 2.5.
 
Mr. Shankar Sharma said on TV today that, these Capital Goods stocks are quoting at double digit P/BV ratios.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: basant
Date Posted: 03/Dec/2007 at 7:37am
Originally posted by kulman

Okay...that means ABB is quoting at PEG ratio of over 2.5.
 
Mr. Shankar Sharma said on TV today that, these Capital Goods stocks are quoting at double digit P/BV ratios
 
 
It needs guts to declare a sell ona stock that is making new highs.bull markets have many victims and the first ones are the conservative analysts.
 
 


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