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    Posted: 04/Feb/2007 at 9:11am
Storm Warning: Only 8 cos. Make profit grade in 15 years.
The Economic Times — September 23, 2005

Investor optimism is directly proportional to index levels. At these heady levels of the BSE sensex, it is easy to forget gravity, or for that matter, the laws of economics. Corporate profits don't rise forever, and that ultimately pulls down markets. Here's an insight into how fragile corporate profits are. ET Intelligence Group checked data over the past 15 years to see how many listed companies have consistently shown net profit growth.

And what we found should stop many a bull in their tracks - of the 3,000-or-so listed companies currently getting actively traded, only eight companies have consistently grown net profits. It is hard to keep HDFC and Infosys away from any superachieving lot. These are the two expected names. The other six names - Container Corp, Cipla, Tata Investment, Infomedia India, Monsanto and Pidilite - are not so obvious. While all of these are regarded as well-run companies, they are certainly not in the hallowed league of an Infy or HDFC.

While this is no mean achievement, the fact that Indian industry faced a number of recessionary years during this 15-year period makes it an even bigger feat. The turbulent years after the initial opening up of the economy in 1991, the Asian currency crisis and its aftermath and the tech boom-bust were the major crises faced by industry during this period. To top this achievement, HDFC and Infosys maintained double-digit growth in profits for each of these years.

In overall growth terms, Container Corp has been the best performer with a growth of 82% compounded annual growth rate (CAGR) followed by Infosys at 68%. While minimum sales growth rate during this period is 13% CAGR, the figure is 29% for profits. Five of these companies are in the service industry while the remaining three are part of the manufacturing industry. IT and financial services contribute two each to this list. Another interesting feature of the list is that three of these companies are listed in the B1 group on the BSE.

What it indicates is that size does not matter when it comes to sustaining profit growth. Aggregate profits for these companies have grown at over 50% CAGR over the period, while sales have grown at 27%. While profits have moved up secularly, sales have fluctuated in some years for some of these companies although magnitude has been less than 10% on all occasions. If we look at only the past 10 years - companies which have grown net profits consistently in the period - then the list rises to 21. Some notable new names here are: Reliance Industries, Asian Paints, ICICI Bank and Hero Honda.

Some emerging companies in this list are i-flex and Bharat Electronics, Berger Paints and Wendt (India). There are quite a few insights in this data. One is that very few companies are worth investing in over the long term, since very few can grow consistently. Management quality is a very important criterion. For example, if mid-size companies like Pidilite or Infomedia India have grown net profits consistently, whereas many large or similar companies have not, management quality is perhaps superior.

this is just a copy paste work...but the below line is fantastic!!!

Container Corp has been the best performer with a growth of 82% compounded
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Quote ramki830 Replybullet Posted: 10/Feb/2007 at 5:39pm

Originally posted by SORUB

Storm Warning: Only 8 cos. Make profit grade in 15 years.
The Economic Times — September 23, 2005

Investor optimism is directly proportional to index levels. At these heady levels of the BSE sensex, it is easy to forget gravity, or for that matter, the laws of economics. Corporate profits don't rise forever, and that ultimately pulls down markets. Here's an insight into how fragile corporate profits are. ET Intelligence Group checked data over the past 15 years to see how many listed companies have consistently shown net profit growth.

And what we found should stop many a bull in their tracks - of the 3,000-or-so listed companies currently getting actively traded, only eight companies have consistently grown net profits. It is hard to keep HDFC and Infosys away from any superachieving lot. These are the two expected names. The other six names - Container Corp, Cipla, Tata Investment, Infomedia India, Monsanto and Pidilite - are not so obvious. While all of these are regarded as well-run companies, they are certainly not in the hallowed league of an Infy or HDFC.

While this is no mean achievement, the fact that Indian industry faced a number of recessionary years during this 15-year period makes it an even bigger feat. The turbulent years after the initial opening up of the economy in 1991, the Asian currency crisis and its aftermath and the tech boom-bust were the major crises faced by industry during this period. To top this achievement, HDFC and Infosys maintained double-digit growth in profits for each of these years.

In overall growth terms, Container Corp has been the best performer with a growth of 82% compounded annual growth rate (CAGR) followed by Infosys at 68%. While minimum sales growth rate during this period is 13% CAGR, the figure is 29% for profits. Five of these companies are in the service industry while the remaining three are part of the manufacturing industry. IT and financial services contribute two each to this list. Another interesting feature of the list is that three of these companies are listed in the B1 group on the BSE.

What it indicates is that size does not matter when it comes to sustaining profit growth. Aggregate profits for these companies have grown at over 50% CAGR over the period, while sales have grown at 27%. While profits have moved up secularly, sales have fluctuated in some years for some of these companies although magnitude has been less than 10% on all occasions. If we look at only the past 10 years - companies which have grown net profits consistently in the period - then the list rises to 21. Some notable new names here are: Reliance Industries, Asian Paints, ICICI Bank and Hero Honda.

Some emerging companies in this list are i-flex and Bharat Electronics, Berger Paints and Wendt (India). There are quite a few insights in this data. One is that very few companies are worth investing in over the long term, since very few can grow consistently. Management quality is a very important criterion. For example, if mid-size companies like Pidilite or Infomedia India have grown net profits consistently, whereas many large or similar companies have not, management quality is perhaps superior.

this is just a copy paste work...but the below line is fantastic!!!

Container Corp has been the best performer with a growth of 82% compounded

 

The Surprising thing about CONCOR is that This scrip was available for P/E of under 5 for many years... infact the scrip used to trade at dividend yield levels between 1999 and 2001 and no one cared about it. Very few analysts covered this scrip, very few MFs hold it. The ownership of this scrip is mostly restricted to FIIs and Govt.

Equally interesting is that CONCOR is even now trading at a discount to its emerging peer like sGateway, even though CONCOR has an unbeaten infrastructure network (ICDS)  which even biggies like Reliance will take ages to replicate.

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Quote SORUB Replybullet Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 7:23pm
can anyone throw more light on this company?
K.I.S.S(keep it simple silly) is the most easy management formula i ever came across!!! but it is very hard to follow!!!
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 8:53pm
I could have tried to Sorub ji, but somehow my torch seems to be out of one of its batteries right now.
 
If anyone has his torch and 2 batteries in intact, please provide an insight for Sorub ji on this one.
 
 
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Quote SORUB Replybullet Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 9:13am
thanks for the great help omji...
K.I.S.S(keep it simple silly) is the most easy management formula i ever came across!!! but it is very hard to follow!!!
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Quote ramki830 Replybullet Posted: 14/Feb/2007 at 9:54pm
 Concor's Competitive edge comes from the network of ICDs(Inland Container Depots) that they posses in strategic locations(mostly close to Railway Docking Yards/Railway Haulage centers) across the country. The ICDs are built on leased land , owned by Railways and most of it are done on Long Term Lease. CONCOR also owns the Wagons that transport Freight goods.... so when containerised goods are shipped from one Manufacturer A to a Customer B, the goods enter CONCOR's ICD and then traverse sitting on CONCOR's Wagons, that run on Indian Railways.
 
Indian Railways no doubt extracts a pound of flesh by way of various carriage tariffs that they would levy on CONCOR - after all, Concor's Wagons must travel on Indian Railway's network !!! But CONCOR is able to pass on to end users . Thankfully this is not a regulated sector and there is no authority that would restrict /put ceiling on tariffs that CONCOR can levy on their customers.
 
CONCOR has grown phenomenally in last 15 years, coinciding with the boom in railway freight containerisation . Still , there is large scope for further containerisation of Indian Railways apart from the steady annual increase in volume of freight carried (both domestic and Exim). So CONCOR is a steady growth story . Private sector is now allowed in this business - but they have a tough job in terms of building ICDs and buying and putting wagons on rails - things which CONCOR is doing for years. So it will take lot of time for private players to catch up. In any case, the market is big enough for many players to run profitably.
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 14/Feb/2007 at 10:40pm
Originally posted by SORUB

thanks for the great help omji...
 
No problem sir.
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 02/Nov/2008 at 5:59pm
CONCOR is good and safe bet. Find below the past 5 yr numerics:
 
1) FCF Y04-08: 307,339,443,595,992 Cr CAGR:22.44%
2) RoE: 27%,25%,25%,26.75%,23.78% Seems good though dropped in Y08
3) Debt/Equity Y08:  0 Debt company
4) NPM: 20.34%,21%,21.12%,22.54%,21.63% - dropped in Y08
 
If you run two stage DCF on above FCF figure then it give enough comfort at share prise of 638/-.
 
On strong side for CONCOR is that it has a very strong moat of having Railway network which other competiotrs lack and since fuel is getting expensive so those who used Air logistics in the past may divert it to Rail as cheaper alternative.
 
Downside is that utlimatly its a PSU so lacks IIT/IIM king of agreesive mgmt.
 
Anyway at present lavel P/BV is hardly 2.6 and company has good C&CE and no debt so modest gain looks sure.
 
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