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Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Topic: Banks - Overvalued?
    Posted: 10/Oct/2010 at 1:22pm
Some thoughts on the banking sector:


It seems to me that banks are getting into the over-valued territory.Banks make money from three main sources which i feel will see pressure going forward:

1. Interest Income - The spread (NIM) that the banks have enjoyed over the past one year due to a low interest rate regime that came into effect after the big crash is due to contract.When RBI cut rates the banks kept the lending rates at more or less similar levels and cut deposits rates drastically and hence enjoyed "free profits".This probably won't continue and the NIM will come down with RBI tightening the liquidity due to inflation.

The credit growth as released by RBI is nothing to talk home about.Even an optimistic 16-18% growth going forward (as opposed to an almost flat growth last year) does not warrant the optimism that we are seeing today.

2. Fee based non interest income - This is an indirect offshoot of credit growth and general actvity in the economy and will probably continue to be robust but this for most banks wont compesante for lower interest income.


3. Treasury gains - The 10 year G-Sec is pushing 8% and the treasury gains are going to turn to treasury losses as interest rates increase.


All these factors indicate that profit growth is going to be muted going forward from here.Although banks like HDFC bank,Axis Bank might do relatively well from a business point of view i am worried about the PSU and other lower rung banks that have run up like anything.Something like Syndicate Bank (an average performer) which has hardly performed is up some 25-30% in the last one month.I think its better to tone down expectations and avoid exposure to mediocre banks at these levels.

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Quote Kabootar Replybullet Posted: 10/Oct/2010 at 5:25pm
1. Wouldn't banks raise their rates as per the new PLR regime? Its not as if they will be forced to peg their rates.

2. Agree with you.

3. No idea there.

The more serious possibility is of a return to financial crisis. Banks in Europe are by no means home safe. The Fed is reduced to printng dollars these days- the so called "quantitative easing"
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Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Posted: 10/Oct/2010 at 5:38pm
Rising rates reduce credit growth.The time to buy banks is when interest rates have peaked although it is difficult to predict the rate cycle.

Even if globally nothing goes wrong,banks are in an over-valued territory, especially the mediocre ones.
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Quote vijaygawde Replybullet Posted: 10/Oct/2010 at 5:59pm
Not only Banks, the entire financial sector seems to be overvalued.

Some of the NBFC's are quoting at 4-5 times its book values. They seem to be more expensive than banks.
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Quote studentoflife Replybullet Posted: 10/Oct/2010 at 8:43pm
I have a feeling,the PSU banks are going to be rerated in this Bull Run. It would be interesting to watch.
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Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Posted: 11/Oct/2010 at 6:17pm
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Although it would definitely be interesting to watch,whats the thought process behind that conclusion?
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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 11/Oct/2010 at 10:34pm
credit demand still continues to be strong looking at the results declared by indus ind bank.nii up 58%.
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Quote studentoflife Replybullet Posted: 11/Oct/2010 at 5:23am
Originally posted by prabhakarkudva

Student,

Although it would definitely be interesting to watch,whats the thought process behind that conclusion?


This is NOT a CONCLUSION. Smile.I  never said it is.
I feel there is a chance because:
1) Most profits are being generated by Non Treasury income in PSU banks. Not even fee based income.Mostly by credit growth.
2)There is too much demand for credit ,so it seems it would grow more than the growth rate in previous years.Supply demand mismatch.Corporate lending rates may increase.
3) NIM keeps fluctuating,no clear picture .For fixed deposit innovative products with varying lengths and lower rates being provided by bank.NIM can increase in the long run.
   If NIM decreases,credit growth will still be good enough to sustain higher than above profits.Expecting therefore higher than normal growth.
5)General trend of decreasing NPA's seems to point to obviously better and more  choice available for credit with low risk rather than improvement in operational excellence.
4)Next phase of disinvestment will trigger euphoria. Disinvestment might include PSU banks.

Please free to contradict. Just trying to follow Charlie Munger's advise of inverted thinking.

By the way I see some very different news here  Smile:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/PSU-banks-shrug-off-rate-hike--cut-retail-loan-rates/686209/

and some very similar views here:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/bank-deposit-rates-set-to-spike-crisil/695820/



Edited by studentoflife - 11/Oct/2010 at 6:51am
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