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Quote basant Replybullet Topic: Financials will boom because of increased savings!
    Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 10:11am
As the rate of savings increases from 23% of GDP to 33% of GDP the incremental money will help fuel aggressive growth in a lot of the financial plays. At 33% of GDP Indians save around Rs 12 lac crores per year and this is no small figure because 12 lac crores was our a few times market cap when the Bull market started.
 
The obvious gainers would be the financials that have non cyclical business models and cater to the middle and upper end of the population. As people save more they would keep more money in banks, take more loans, invest more in stocks, MFs, Insurance products etc.
 
All this could make companies with large networks a very interesting play. Now assume that there are software guys who get monthly salaries of Rs 30k; next year this salary gets revised to Rs 36k so immediately his banker starts to get more deposits because people transact more from their bank accounts; this will propotionately increase his loan requirements; credit card spends  since all this is related to income. So Banks as a sector have a classic inbuilt ability to match up with the economic growth year on year.
 
Similarily with the employers also the same situation will repeat itself and more often then not the incremental cash flow wil either be retained or invested in financial products which in turn increases the fee based income of financial intermediaries.
 
Since it the services segment is growing at around 13% and an inflation of 4% these intermediaries who not lose market share should grow at 17% per anum on topline even if they do not expand their network.
 
Large Private Banks who are increasing marketshare and also their network should tweak the growth rates upwards from what they have been achieving over the past 5-10 years.
 
The only caveat is to be with non cyclical intermediaries because in case of a market downturn business verticals dependent on the stock markets do suffer from acute fall in revenues.
 
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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 10:38am
While banks will grow, no doubt, but brokerages growth will be more than the banks. Most of the brokerages are diversifying in other areas. India Infoline expects that its broking share will come down from 56% currently to 35% in 2-3 years. It makes sense to buy diversified financial services company like Indiabulls and India Infoline. Edelweiss is prone to downturn in equities.
 
I know many software guys who are deploying more money in stocks than in deposits.
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Quote shetty Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 11:05am
I thought Indiabulls and India infoline would be cyclical as they are dealing with the Subprime market here. As for their brokerage it deals with day traders.
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Quote PrashantS Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 11:08am
I know many software guys who are deploying more money in stocks than in deposits.
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not only software guys all office goign people are doing that .I hope they do some work also coz some guys are trading in the officeWink
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Quote catchsudipto Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 11:23am
Large Private Banks who are increasing marketshare and also their network should tweak the growth rates upwards from what they have been achieving over the past 5-10 years.
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I hope the same theory can be applied to small Private banks also who are increasing there network rapidly.
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Quote johnnybravo Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 11:40am
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Now assume that there are software guys who get monthly salaries of Rs 30k; next year this salary gets revised to Rs 36k


Sirji 20% hike?? appke muh mein ghee-shakkar!

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Quote johnnybravo Replybullet Posted: 06/Jan/2008 at 11:44am
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I know many software guys who are deploying more money in stocks than in deposits.


You r right Devesh, But I guess its the general public opinion abt stk mkts that has changed. People who have a missed out feeling, are jumping and pumping money day in and day out.

In my office, I see a lot of people who actively trade! (these brokerages icicidirect, indiabulls, kotak need to change their screen colors - its so bright that its easily noticeable!)

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Quote nikhil090 Replybullet Posted: 07/Jan/2008 at 12:40pm
Good perspective basantjee..
 
Full service banks like Kotak seems to be the best suited to ride this wave. They are present in the fastest growing/agressive part of the fianancial services, - viz research, IB, broking etc coupled with more steady and balancing bank operations..
The other to match them can be ICICI but they are way too agressive and prefer size over margins.
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