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Quote basant Replybullet Topic: Should you leave your job for equitiy investing?.
    Posted: 15/Aug/2007 at 11:24am
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I wish I can get Independence from my existing Job (which I do just like a duty) so that I can 100% focus on equity research and investment.                                                                                                
 
Basant jee, when you quit your first job and decided to start your own venture, didn't you get protest from your close associates or insecure feeling from inside? How did you manage to handle such tough situation? I feel we need lots of guts to break away from consistence source of income.
 
It happened more by default then choice.We owed mining rights to a very large deposit in J&K but because of Govt. (Farooq Abdullah) interference - they wanted to terminate our lease and give it to one of their own people that lease was terminated in 2000 and all our investment in that company was valued at zero!!!
 
This company was started by my father and all this came up because he passed away in 1999 maybe at 26 years I was too ignorant and foolish to handle the hot potatoes of the Indian political system. I fought the case till my last penny in the courts but then gave up since I lost both hope and money.I lost all my investments in the tech bubble because I traded to make a fortune in the shortest possible time.
 
In 2001 I joined a school as a part time teacher (salary Rs 1000pm) and started teaching students in a private tutorial that I set up at that time. I had lots of free time and read almost all the books on investing. The biggest problem with our day to day job is it does not give us time to think. All day long we behave like labours and there is no time devoted to thinking anything that is too far away from the present.
 
Made some big money in the 9/11 crash and then came across Pantaloon Retail and Tv18 etc in 2003. Simmultaneously I took up a MF distributorship because it was linked with something I enjoy doing - also it indicated  a steady flow of income through SIP enrollements of clients - Never gave cash back because that is the cost of my advice.
 
At one point of time I was teaching about 100 students but have since left teaching because I cannot give time to this website which I helped create just to share knowledge and gain wisdom from like minded people.
 
But yes, when i left tuitions in 2006 and when I used to invest my last rupee in stocks there were a flood of protests.
 
But my experience has been that following something in which one has passion is a great thing to do but then we all need a capital base for that. I still consider myself lucky of not being wiped out in 2001 because I was leveraged like hell! I used to see some shares and then buy again as the markets rose. my bankers HDFC bank were always with me.On days the markets fell they used to call me for margin call and the moment I heard their voice I used to say "Array sir yeh kal badh jayega". Today in retrospect I think I was riding my passion with luck.
 
 


Edited by basant - 16/Aug/2007 at 4:22pm
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Quote kumarrvq Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 12:32pm

Dear Basant Jee,

Thanks for the response, there is much more to learn from you and your experiences. I too share the same thoughts like you, believe in doing what I love to do, what I passionate to do, that was one reason the day I saw this forum, I was up whole night reading this....this is one of the best thing I would say you have created which will grow like anything......
 
I am a software engineer but my heart lies with equity research, when I was in New York for our company assignment, I use to write research reports (will share with you if you say!) and had 1500+ free subscribers and few paid (that time I was thinking that as if I know little but now after meeting smart and wisdom people here I feel as if I don't know anything!!!). Due to time constrain I stopped that and now in India, apart from office most of the time I spend doing research and looking for opportunity......I have read most of the books mentioned by you......but still I feel there is more to learn......
 
I have plan in place when to quit this job, by that time I will have enough to support my family for next five years and something to invest too. Though I do not believe in just equity investment but I am also active in derivatives instruments like future & options and may venture into commodity etc later. I believe in making money where from where ever and how ever we can make legally and with passion.
 
When I joined engineering, I was also a tutor as my part time job....so at least there is something similar between myself and you:-)
 
Basant jee, apart from setting price and goal for scrips do you also have some goals? I mean there is no limit to money making....sometime I feel how much is enough?
 
I will be going to my native place this weekend via kolkata, I wish if I can meet you, it will a dream come true.
 
 
 
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 1:20pm
Kumar ji, God Speed to you. May your wishes come true. Tread slowly and steadily though. My heartfelt wishes to you really.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 1:48pm
Would be great if you could spend some time here in Kolkata.
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Quote kumarrvq Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 2:45pm
Sure Basant Jee, This time since it is planned, I might not be able to spend time in kolkata....will make it soon.....what happens from ranchi to chennai there is one train and it takes lots of time, so we use chennai to kolkata via flight and then howara to koderma (near hazaribagh) thru train......
 
There shd be get together once in a year for all the TED members, organised by diff members at diff location every year, it will really be great. Thanks again for starting new thread on this topic........I need to learn from those who took less travelled path.
 
TED members, pls share your views on this.....there is lots to learn from each other.
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Quote catchsudipto Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 3:12pm
Dear Sir,
 
 
Its an amazing story. I SILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT AFTER READING THE POST FOR MORE THAN 3 TIMES.
 
WOW what a come Back. Hats off for your guts.
I will  pray to God for Blessings his on U. Hats off to U again.
 
 
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 3:33pm
Koderma means Jhumri Telaiya....wonderful place....It used to be my nanihal, (and hence you can see why I behave so awkward) and is also my birth place....lovely place and very lovely people....wishing you aNice Journey
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 3:46pm
Basant's story is an excellent Riches to Rags to Riches story. What were you mining in J&K? Anyway, it's good that you are now mining gold sitting in Kolkata.
 
According to me, if one wants to quit the job and 'live off' the stock market, one needs to have a large networth. If you are a fairly convervative person with a family to feed -
 
- Maintain an XL sheet for one year to see what your average monthly expenses are (including EMIs for loans). Let's assume that your average monthly expenses are Rs. 30,000.
 
- Get yourself and your dependants insured (health and life)
 
- Make sure you have 6 months expenses (Rs. 1.8 lacs) in CASH in your savings account all the time.
 
- Your fixed returns investments should yield a minimum of Rs. 40,000 per month as income. This could include rent from an apartment you own plus investments in Fixed Deposits or Liquid/Debt mutual funds. So if you own an apartment that gives Rs. 10,000 per month as rent, then you need to invest around Rs. 50 Lakhs in liquid/debt/arbitrage mutual funds.
 
- You should also have atleast Rs. 30 Lakhs invested in equities. Assuming 25% CAGR returns, you should be increasing your portfolio size by atleast Rs. 50,000 per month. This should take care of your future expenses like bigger car, children's education, vacation expenses etc.
 
So if your monthly expenses are around Rs. 30,000 per month, your current networth should be alteast Rs. 1.5 crores (incl real estate value).  That's 500 times the monthly expenses. But based on your risk apetitite, you could make appropriate changes.
 
It would be helpful if your spouse is working.
 
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