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Quote uvpcrao Replybullet Posted: 25/Oct/2009 at 12:36pm
I stared trading in April 09 and unknowingly following the concept of free shares. I go to my regular work everyday and do not have time to do trading nor money to do. One day the office is off due to elections and the exchange is open !!. logged into my demat account and sat before TV. Suzlon is 18% down.I was hearing about Suzlon but do not know the concept of fundamental analysis ,technical analysis etc., One thing, I heard few days before , is market over reacts.Just bought Rs10,000 Suzlon shares and another Rs 10,000 satyam shares. within few days, the Rs 20,000 has become Rs 24,000 .what to do??I also came to know that i can place orders in the nights after I return from office. I took my capital back and I still have shares of Suzlon and Satyam.The free shares. I have been doing this for the last five months and accumulated a number of free shares taking tips from the net and reading books.I also get a satisfaction by doing this type of investing.I do not know whether it is right or wrong. I am happy accumulating free shares.
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Quote gt.johndennis Replybullet Posted: 29/Jul/2010 at 5:02am
Can anyone tell me what is marginal trade?
Do we have to own share in hand to do it?
can u please explain with the scenarios???
i couldnt understand the concept of it...
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Quote LearningToFly Replybullet Posted: 30/Jul/2010 at 1:20pm
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I am not sure if there is a phrase called marginal trade. But there is one called trade on margin.
 
Essentially this means you can trade with more money than you actually have. A specific portion of the money will be provided by broker at some interest rate. You always have to maintain this portion.
 
Example:
You have let's say 100 Rs. in your account and you want to buy stocks of Infosys at Rs. 1 a share. If you do cash trading, you can buy 100 shares. If the prices go up to Rs 1.5, you have made 50 Rs. (100*1.5 - 100*1).
This is 50/100 = 50% gain.
 
Now trade using margin.
Say you asked your broker that I want to trade on margin and broker says that you have to maintain 25% in the margin account. Essentially it means you can trade up to Rs. 400 (since you have 100 Rs. in the account)
 
Now do the same scenario. You can buy 400 shares of infosys with 400 Rs. The price goes to 1.5 Rs. Your assets now became 400*1.5 = 600 Rs. You sold it and got 600 Rs. You pay your broker 300 Rs that he provided (400 of investment - your initial money of 100 Rs.).
 
Assume there is interest of 5% on 300 Rs that broker charged. So you pay 300 of principal + 15 rs of interest = 315. Your gain is 600 - 315 = 285 Rs. Since your initial investment was 100 Rs, the gain is 185%.
 
This is fine as long as the matket goes up. When the market comes down, your loss get inflated in the same ratio.
 
Also you always have to maintain 25% of the total value. Say the prices go down to 0.90 Rs per share. The total value becomes 360 Rs (400 * 0.9). Since the broker has given 300 Rs, your investment is just 60 Rs which is less than 25% of total value. The 25% of 360 is Rs 90 and hence you have to further deposit (90 - 60) = 30 Rs to your account.
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Quote gt.johndennis Replybullet Posted: 30/Jul/2010 at 12:39pm

Hello Mr Fly,

I appreciate ur very satisfactory reply. I understood what it means now. It was very helpful. Can you explain the same in case of selling short in marginal trade? do we have to own shares? When do we have to pay the broker back the amount??

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Quote LearningToFly Replybullet Posted: 01/Aug/2010 at 10:50am

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Short selling is selling the stocks by borrowing it and returning it after some time. This is an instrument to be used in bearish market when the prices are expected to go down. Say you think that Infy is overpriced now and you want to use this opportunity. You borrow 100 shares at Rs 1 a share and sell it. You get 100 Rs. as proceeds. You expect the prices of infy to go down and let's say the price really went down to 0.9 Rs per share. You buy 100 shares at Rs. 90 and give it back to the lender. You made (100-90) = 10 Rs.

The problem happens when the prices go up. Let's say the price went up to Rs. 1.1 per share. In that case, since you have just 100 Rs in your account, there is possibility that you may not be able to return 100 stocks as it will cost Rs. 110 now.
 
To avoid this situation, the broker asks you to maintain money above the proceeds of the short-sell. For example, you got Rs. 100 by selling 100 boroowed stocks on infosys. The broker, to avoid any possibility of default, will ask you to maintain another 50% of sale proceeds. In this case, it ia 100 + 50% of 100 = Rs. 150. This ensures that the margin account has enough to return the borrowd shares. The margin call will be given when the margin % goes down a certain % defined by broker and you.
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Quote nicko Replybullet Posted: 23/Jun/2011 at 3:38pm

On the topic of “free shares”/”reducing cost of acquisition”/”partial exit”, here is a real life experience of one of my acquaintances, who is working as a supervisor in a engg company.

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Quote gurleen Replybullet Posted: 10/Sep/2011 at 12:55pm
[QUOTE=investor]Basant,

The concept of having such "free" shares is one of the various successful types of investing, many people follow it. If you are not a beleiver in the
concept of partial profits booking(as am i, after all, how can you get multibaggers if you keep on booking partial profits!!) then it may not make
 sense, but  i know a lot of my friends who follow this model - take out your inital capital and hold on to the rest for life!

One category of investors for which this may seem quite useful is those who
dont have the temperament or patience to hold on long term or who panick
on seeing paper profts getting lost in crashes.... since ur holding cost is zero
for these shares, u dont have to worry any time.
[/QUOTE

Awesome Concept of free shares. Thanks for your Information. I think it is best concept for every beginners. it is  a Very Profitable post



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