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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 5:13pm
Actually some titles at TED have gone wrong and this is one of them. Our markets do need foreign money because our local money managers are as how they are. So instead of the Indian investor chickening out it is the money manager who is getting fearful.
 
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Quote vijaygawde Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 5:25pm
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Actually some titles at TED have gone wrong and this is one of them. Our markets do need foreign money because our local money managers are as how they are. So instead of the Indian investor chickening out it is the money manager who is getting fearful.
 
Fully agree !! with likes of Mr. Madhusudan Kela, supposed to be the best fund manager in business around;  having pre-concieved ideas like "will deploy the Public money only after index fall at a particular level....."
 
Are they betting on Index or Individual businesses??
 
I also suspect that Indian fund managers wait for FIIs to make first move.


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Diversification is protection against ignorance, it makes little sense for those who know what they’re doing.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 5:40pm
Kela has got it wrong look at the top holdings of Reliance Growth fund  and inspite of that cash the fund is down about 40% from its January high.
 
Does it matter if an investor loses 55% or 40% and also that 40% has that threat of being in substandard names which might never recover.Angry
 
 
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 6:15pm
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Kela has got it wrong look at the top holdings of Reliance Growth fund  and inspite of that cash the fund is down about 40% from its January high.
 
Does it matter if an investor loses 55% or 40% and also that 40% has that threat of being in substandard names which might never recover.Angry
 
Dont worry Basant Sir....if markets continue to behave like it is doing now,yeh jo cash hai naa, woh bhi redemption mein chala jayega.
 
Investors will do well to emply funds on their own rather than take the help of fund managers. At the end of they, there's little difference between a lay investor's returns and that of an 'expert'.....
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Quote BGKGURU Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 6:16pm
i disagree to some extent. off cource we need foreign money but we have to look at colour of money. we don't need hedg funds money/pn funds/short term funds. if you will see fii is selling continously,on the other hande mutual funds/insurance companis is buying. so current downward because of fii+ local f&o trader. In fact i heard that fii and local bear used pn route for bear mkt. I m not expert so i can't explain if somebody knows abt that, then let us know how they can use pn funds to borrow securites and then sell at  spot mkt. 
We need strong  local institution.    


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Quote arunshah2k Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 6:31pm
I agree.

Mutual funds have been holding on cash. But the market has reached such levels, that retail investors will now start redemptions and all cash will be gone for that.

Mutual funds may miss the opportunity to buy at lowel levels.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 7:35pm
All that cash remained in the bank account and could not find its way to the broker's account in May06 This time it will be no different whether retail investor or the prof money manager. The fear is just too much to let that money go.
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Quote romanov Replybullet Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 11:06am

The fear is overdone..I will be starting to buy today.I think Market has factored in all negative news ..and falling should stop.

The only worse thing that I can see is Israel-Iran war or Some big bank going down under...and these are factors not in anybodys hand.Oil should not reach 160..it's a big psychological barrier..
 
The only thing that I can look at is the businesses that I like(at correct valuation)..and will Invest henceforth..even realtyCool.
 
 
Again this is how I feel...let's see.
Having patience is one thing...but having reluctance to do something  correct when time is right is Thumbs%20Down.
 
Will update my portfolio shortly.
 
p.s.: last straw is relinace pack..it should fall some more and we should be all  set.But I think it's one of the strongest pillars of bull run..and no bear will be able to climb it.


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