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Quote BGKGURU Replybullet Posted: 02/Aug/2009 at 12:06pm
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Any idea abt bannari sugar.
Result was outstanding but price movment is not there?
I want to buy after result but looking volume and price movment i m waiting for 900 level.
I sold all my up sugar stocks but want to buy south  india sugar stocks I hold rajshree and looking to  bannari
bajaj/balrampur are expensive,renuka is also looking good at cmp,but they expanding so much i doubt wether they can use expanded refinary capaqcity in bad times .
Bannari is looking good to me at 5-6 pe(as  per fy10e)
They always make money in bad times also.
Only problem is liquidity and they are investor friendly like they don't give additional information excep quarterly result. I would like to know abt their raw sugar import qty and rate. but i m not getting anywhere.
 
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Quote atulbull Replybullet Posted: 02/Aug/2009 at 5:39pm

I sold all my up sugar stocks but want to buy south  india sugar stocks





BGKGURU ji please have a look at ponni sugars (erode) and share your views.



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Quote BGKGURU Replybullet Posted: 02/Aug/2009 at 6:54pm
I have seen it, sales is very low,cash profit is almost same as actual profit. so if i compare with cash eps then we have many sugar stocks with good sales.
Right now i m not sure abt sugar ind's future,industry  in dilemma.
Current cost of refined sugar from raw sugar(as per current raw sugar rates) is Rs. 24-26. Current millgate is Rs.24. So how can they make profit in next season. they will not get sugarcane below Rs. 200 in next season atleast in up. so their refined sugar cost will be Rs. 23-25.
That why i m looking safe stock like bannari.
Bannari looks expensive if we campare with book value but one company who is making profit in bad times then then can increase their book value very fast. As per fy10e, their book value will be Rs. 700+.
They don't dilute equity so their book value is not increasing like others book value increasing,eg.bajaj hindustan,balrampur chinni and renuka.
I like simbhaoli but will buy after septembar result. If they will decrase their debt and their debt:equity ratio will come down from 6:1 to 4:1. then i will buy again. management is good,they are expanding fast. they are marketing liquer aggresively. So may be they are expanding more so their expense is also higher. Thats why they are not making profit. But i need safety so I prefer bannari and then simbhaoli.
 
It doesn't mean ponni is not good stock but i ignore small sales stocks. I loose many in many small sales stocks so i look stock with Rs. 100 crore quarterly.
There are some exception like karuturi.  
 


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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 03/Aug/2009 at 1:24pm
What about EID Parry? Sales ~ 200 cr. South-based. Decent dividend.
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Quote BGKGURU Replybullet Posted: 03/Aug/2009 at 7:43pm
Agreed ,Good stock with div yield.
But current mkt price. I will prefer bannari
Anyway do u have research on their refinary i think with kargil?
What is capacity,How it will be beneficial.I heard kargil bt huge qty for india.
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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 03/Aug/2009 at 8:51pm
Hi BGKGURU,

No, I don't have any research, but this is from their AR:

JOINT VENTURE WITH CARGILL ASIA PACIFIC
HOLDINGS PTE LIMITED
During the financial year ended 31st March, 2009, your
Company invested Rs. 3550 lakhs in the equity of the
Joint Venture entity viz. Silkroad Sugar Private Ltd.
This Company is setting up a Sugar refinery in Food
Processing Special Economic Zone of Parry Infrastructure
Company Private Limited at Vakalapudi, Kakinada rural
mandal, Kakinada.


Refinery Joint Venture
A port-based stand-alone sugar refinery is being set up
by Silkroad Sugar Private Limited, a joint venture
company between E.I.D.- Parry (India) Ltd. and Cargill
Asia Pacific Holdings PTE Limited in Kakinada, Andhra
Pradesh which will commence operations in 2009-10.
With planned capacity of one million tons of refined sugar
production per year, this refinery will be the largest in the
South Asian region. The refinery will be importing the
entire raw material, raw sugar, adding value by refining
it, and exporting its entire production. EID Parry holds
50% in this joint venture.

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Quote BGKGURU Replybullet Posted: 03/Aug/2009 at 1:05am

INTERVIEW-UPDATE 2-Sugar seen soaring above 20 cts/lb-M.Stanley

Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:49pm IST

* India output forecast may be too high - M.Stanley

* Indian sugar imports '09/10 seen at 5 million tonnes

(Adds details, updates prices)

By David Brough

LONDON, Aug 3 (Reuters) - Raw sugar futures SBc1 are expected to break soon above the psychological 20 cents per lb, a 28-year high, due to tight supply in Brazil and India, Hussein Allidina, head of commodity research at Morgan Stanley, said.

"India is too dry and Brazil too wet and this comes in the face of a 9 million tonne (global) deficit in 2008/09," Allidina told Reuters in an interview by email on Monday. Brazil and India are the world's top two growers of the sweetener.

India's sharp appetite for sugar on the international market has driven up sugar futures prices by around two-thirds this year. India had a poor harvest in 2008/09, and a disappointing monsoon this year looks likely to erode next season's output.

Rains in Brazil, the world's number 1 sugar producer and exporter, have slowed harvesting in the main centre-south growing region, adding to the bullish pressure, dealers said.

Prompt ICE raw sugar futures SBc1 surged to a 3-1/2-year peak of 19.43 cents per lb on Monday before easing slightly to 19.25 cents, up 0.64 cent or 3.4 percent, at 1525 GMT.

London white sugar futures LSUc1 hit a record high of $505.90 per tonne, before losing ground to stand at $503.50 per tonne, up $11.70 or 2.4 percent, in modest volume of 3,228 lots.

Allidina said the lack of rain in India could mean that Morgan Stanley's present output predictions may be too high.

"The lack of precipitation in India increases the likelihood that 2009/10 production estimates prove too optimistic," he added, referring to the weak and erratic monsoon.

New York-based Allidina said for now, Morgan Stanley was sticking to its forecast of Indian sugar output of 19.4 million tonnes in 2009/10, compared with an estimate shy of 16 million tonnes in 2008/09.

"However, (we) are increasingly thinking the number (for 2009/10) is too optimistic," he said.

INDIAN IMPORTS

Morgan Stanley has modelled Indian sugar imports at 5 million tonnes in 2009/10, in line with other analysts' forecasts.

"However, our production number may prove too optimistic, requiring the shortfall to be met with higher imports," Allidina said.

The analyst also referred to concerns over the slow harvesting of cane in Brazil due to the recent rains.

"For Brazil as a whole, we estimate that cane production will reach 620 million tonnes in 2009/10. Of this, we see 43 percent being used for sugar (and the remainder for ethanol)," he said.

"Net, we see Brazilian production reaching 35.7 million tonnes. However, should the rains continue, cane will be left in the field, presenting downside to our (production) forecast." (Reporting by David Brough; editing by Anthony Barker and Sue Thomas)

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