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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 7:44am

The Little Book that Builds Wealth is all about one principle - determining a company's economic moat.  This is an important concept, as a moat protects a company's profits from competition and allows the company to earn exceptional returns on capital over long periods of time

Businesses that earn high returns on capital invariably attract lots of competition.  Companies with no moat can see their profit margins and sales growth dwindle as competitors capture more and more of their market share.  On the other hand, wide moat companies have advantages that make it very difficult or uneconomical for competitors to try and compete with them.  The concept of a moat has been one of the keys behind the success of the world's most recognized investor, Warren Buffett.

Dorsey lays out 4 main ways a company can establish an economic moat (or durable competitive advantage, as Buffett would say). 

The first method is by intangible assets.  Examples of this are a strong brand that allows a business to charge more for comparable items, patent protection on products like drug formulations and technologies, and regulatory licenses that are particularly hard to obtain.

The second method is by having high switching costs - the "sticky" customer advantage.  Here, Dorsey presents banks and widely adopted software vendors as having high switching costs.  Who wants to go through the hassle of transferring an account or training an entire staff on a new piece of software?

The third form of a moat is created by the network effect, where the value of a business increases with each node on the network.  This very powerful advantage is well illustrated by credit card processors. 

The last way to create a moat is through cost advantages.   There are a number of ways companies can accomplish this.  One way (although the least durable) is by simply having a better business model than your competition. The second, and more durable, method of cost advantage is by having a better location than your competition. 

Nearly as useful as the discussion of what constitutes a moat is the explanation of what DOES NOT constitute a moat.  How many times have you seen a company recommended because of a great new product or a successful manager that is hired to turn the company around?  These are not durable advantages

Book review: The Little Book that Builds Wealth, by Morningstar's Director of Equity Research, Pat Dorsey.

Excerpted from Little Books For Big Profits


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Quote johnnybravo Replybullet Posted: 03/Apr/2008 at 11:12am
I find this moat hypothesis to be great...however its v.difficult to make a mapping to our commonly discussed companies.

Maybe we can discuss this out: Which of the companies commonly discussed on TED have a good economic Moat?
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 22/Nov/2008 at 8:23pm

Excerpts from an article on moat.


Buffett once said of his long-term investment in Coca-Cola, which has been both a market darling and a market demon:

We have had depressions. We have had wars. Sugar prices have gone up and down. A million things have happened. How much more fruitful is it to think about whether the product is likely to sustain itself and its economics than to try to be questioning whether to jump in and out of the stock?

In other words, what he's after is a company with a strong competitive advantage -- a moat that lasts for years.

A nice protective ring of water
Competitive advantages are the sustainable factors or strategies that repel competitors -- just like the ring of water around a medieval castle fended off invaders. The better and more comprehensive this protection, the longer the company can do what it does without worrying about invaders on its turf.

According to Mark Sellers, founder of Sellers Capital, there are four basic characteristics of a strong, deep, and defensible moat. Let's look at them, briefly.

  • Economies of scale

Economies of scale enable companies to produce products more cheaply than competitors -- effectively undercutting their prices. Think about Coke and Buffett's comment about sugar prices. Sugar used to be the primary sweetener in Coke. More recently, it's been corn syrup. Coke's global economies of scale let it obtain that ingredient and distribute it at a cost that makes its own product more profitable.

  • Intellectual property

But economies of scale aren't the only thing Coke has going for it -- it also has a world-famous brand. You might think brand is just name-recognition, but it goes far beyond that. In fact, behavioral studies have shown that if people know they are drinking a Coke, they say it tastes better than if they receive the same drink in a blind taste test. That's powerful!

Intellectual property goes beyond brands, though, to include things like patents and trademarks

  • Network effect

When the value of a product or service increases when more people use it, that's called a network effect

  • High switching costs
If it will cost a customer significant time and money to switch to a competitor's product, the company is protected by those high switching costs.



In India, 'branded stocks' with these characteristics usually are fairly valued or over-priced.




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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 22/Nov/2008 at 10:49pm

When strong brand companies will become weak, hardly anyone will be in the stock markets to pick them up at such prices.....

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Quote kumardiwesh Replybullet Posted: 22/Nov/2008 at 1:23am
Originally posted by kulman

Excerpts from an article on moat.

Buffett once said of his long-term investment in Coca-Cola, which has been both a market darling and a market demon:




We have had depressions. We have had wars. Sugar
prices have gone up and down. A million things have happened. <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">How much
more fruitful is it to think about whether the product is likely to
sustain itself and its economics </span>than to try to be questioning whether
to jump in and out of the stock?



In other words, what he's after is a company with a strong competitive advantage -- a moat that lasts for years.



A nice protective ring of waterCompetitive
advantages are the sustainable factors or strategies that repel
competitors -- just like the ring of water around a medieval castle
fended off invaders. The better and more comprehensive this protection,
the longer the company can do what it does without worrying about
invaders on its turf.


According to Mark Sellers,
founder of Sellers Capital, there are four basic characteristics of a
strong, deep, and defensible moat. Let's look at them, briefly.



  • Economies of scale

Economies of scale
enable companies to <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">produce</span> <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">products more cheaply than competitors</span> --
effectively undercutting their prices. Think about Coke and Buffett's
comment about sugar prices. Sugar used to be the primary sweetener in
Coke. More recently, it's been corn syrup. Coke's global economies of
scale let it obtain that ingredient and distribute it at a cost that
makes its own product more profitable.



  • Intellectual property

But economies of
scale aren't the only thing Coke has going for it -- it also has a<span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">
world-famous brand. You might think brand is just name-recognition, but
it goes far beyond that. </span>In fact, behavioral studies have shown that if
people know they are drinking a Coke, they say it tastes better than if
they receive the same drink in a blind taste test. That's powerful!


Intellectual property goes beyond brands, though, to <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">include things like patents and trademarks</span>.    



  • Network effect

When the <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">value of a product or service increases when more people use it, that's called a network effect</span>. 



  • High switching costs
If it will cost a
customer <span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 153);">significant time and money to switch to a competitor's
product</span>, the company is protected by those high switching costs.
In India, 'branded stocks' with these characteristics usually are fairly valued or over-priced.


Even I've been reading a bit on competitive advantage.
But it's really difficult to figure out.
Could you tell us which branded Indian stocks are you talking about?
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 22/Nov/2008 at 8:44am
The biggest branding takes place when the product is recommended by another company whose product is using that product.
 
An example is Tata Motors recommending use of Castrol GTD as lubricants for its passenger cars. Now if you are driving a Tata Indica, you wont try to figure out if anything's better than Castrol, and will like to go by Tata Motors recommendation.
 
Another example will be Colgate, which is hugely popular among the dentists community. Even a Pidilite fits that bill. I know it because I tried to do a brave act by trying to save some money and using another brand of adhesive and my carpenter simply refused to use that adhesive and I was forced to replace it with a Fevicol.
 
 
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Quote CHINKI Replybullet Posted: 22/Nov/2008 at 11:34am
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An example is Tata Motors recommending use of Castrol GTD as lubricants for its passenger cars. Now if you are driving a Tata Indica, you wont try to figure out if anything's better than Castrol, and will like to go by Tata Motors recommendation.
I don't know about other products. In the case of lubricants, TATA would be recommending Castrol not only because it is good product, but also because they are paid good royalty/commission of every litre of Castrol oil sold through their show rooms and service stations.

While they may do Castrol for the contracted period, it may be another oil company which pays them good money during next contract.

OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)recommendation revenues are one of the good sources of money for the auto companies.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 23/Nov/2008 at 12:13pm
thats when you are assuming they will be recommending Castrol just because they are paid royalty/commission.
 
But you are right.....Tatas may themselves get into lube oils. Just like the way they are getting aggressive with automative batteries.
 
 
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