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Quote Equity Buff Replybullet Posted: 21/Sep/2006 at 10:48am
Yes Deepinsight,
 
Very good points you have mentioned. Concentration requires solid conviction, which comes from detailed study and understanding of the Industry in which the copmpany operates and also a detailed study of the Company itself and the confidence one has on the promoters of the company. You bet on people/managements and not per say on stocks. Because only if the management performs the stock will perform.
 
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Quote prosperity Replybullet Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 12:15pm
Very good summary, DeepInsight.
 
I agree to each and every word of your last post.
Really nice to get such experiences just by sharing and not the hard way of self-experiencing. Thanks Basantji for this forum !
 
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Quote Ajith Replybullet Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 2:44pm
Yes,really a concentrated portfolio is only for those who understand markets and companies , have deep pockets and are flexible -a very rare combination.The world is chaotic and just some turn of events can upset calculations.
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 3:01pm
DeepInsight
 
You are really giving full justice to your nick-name. Very nicely written...about "friends" analogy.
 
My query is: why not increase our old friends' circle?


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Quote deepinsight Replybullet Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 10:51pm

Glad the simple thoughts are appreciated.

Investment (for me) is all about learning to get to high conviction on ownership. However it’s not possible to get there in a hurry. As the saying goes “it takes a long time to make an old friend”.

The number here is not important. It could be one, five or ten.

20% is on “discovery/search” phase of finding those high conviction companies. (Some work out – some may not). Some become old friends some just acquaintances…

No percentage is allocated for trading. Have no negativity for traders. It’s just a different ball game. Different mind set, different rules to win, different temperament.

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One angle to discuss the concentrated portfolio is through the lens of “risk”.

In high conviction companies we eagerly want to take the “risk” through more ownership.

In speculation/discovery/search phase we want to limit or distribute the “risk”.

The best example of risk takers are entrepreneurs who put everything they have in their own company. Talk about concentrated “risk”.

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One of the lessons I learnt from the past was not about losing through having too concentrated a portfolio – it was rather not building/adding more on companies where your conviction grows. (as the company proves itself and becomes an old friend)

i.e.  In other words if one was an owner in Infosys – as the investor saw it performing quarter on quarter year on year – it would have been smart to keep adding to that position versus trying to find the next Infosys. 

One last thought on this - just as a quick reminder and stretching the friend analogy, as Mama always says “you need to choose your friends carefully”!



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Quote Ajith Replybullet Posted: 22/Sep/2006 at 7:47am
Finding an Infosys is not easy but as you say selection is important and sleeping over the right stocks(retail right now?)is important.But I disagree strongly on not trying to find the next Infosys because that is the NAME OF THE GAME RIGHT NOW.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 3:47pm
I found this very interesting from the link Bubblevision put up on this site:Though this exists on some part of the forum it should be very relevant in this thread.
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Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 12/Feb/2007 at 3:56pm
BasantJi... are you talking about that Buffet page link?....or please give the link here...
 
I put the links here as the advantages are two fold for me. As i cant read all the linked material in the office i use the links to read the articles at home without having to search again. At the same time it also helps others.


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