JM Financial and Morgan Stanley will be parting ways. CNBC-TV18 had reported on the split a few months back in August 2006.
In accordance to this, Chairman of JM Morgan Stanley, Nimesh Kampani informs that JM Financial will buying the investment banking business with BV of USD 20 million from Morgan Stanley. Also, Morgan Stanley will apply for merchant banking licence and JM will become a full fledged investment bank.
He further adds that they will continue focus on NBFC, asset management and capital markets. Kampani informs that they will heavily invest in wealth management.
Excerpts of CNBC-TV18's exclusive interview with Nimesh Kampani:
Q: What is the plan and the nature of the agreement with Morgan Stanley in terms of where the people go and what you would do versus Morgan Stanley in India from hereon?
A: We have two joint ventures with Morgan Stanley at present, which is JM Morgan Stanley, which is an investment bank and JM Morgan Stanley Securities, which is instituonal securities and research.
Investment bank has also two subsidiaries, which has a retail brokerage business and also the fixed income brokerage income business. We have parted the company with Morgan Stanley and we are buying Investment Bank at a book value, which is about USD 20 million. This means we will pay for 49%, USD 20 million to Morgan Stanley. We are selling the securities business, 49% which we own at Morgan Stanley at USD 445 million. This will make Morgan Stanley 100% owner of the securities business and we will become 100% owner of investment banking business. So Morgan Stanley will then apply for the merchant-banking license and will become full-fledge investment bank and we will start insurance security business and research and will become a full-fledge investment bank.
Our advantage is like this - we already have retail business, so we already have a platform of securities business where we will do business with HNI, corporate etc.. We just have to add on to securities business and that’s what we will do along with the research. So we have parted company with Morgan Stanley, we got a price for which our shareholders should be happy and we will continue to focus on non-banking financial -NBFC, we will continue to focus on our asset management business, we will do all the business of advisory, M&A, capital market transactions. So we will continue all of the full-fledged investment banking business on our own.
Q: Your shareholders would want to know what you would do with the nearly Rs 2,000 cr of cash you are getting for the sale of the 49% stake. How do you plan to utilize this cash?
A: We will focus on some of the new businesses in the financial services area. We will consider that and our board will decide an appropriate time what we want to do on that. But we would like to first focus on our institutional securities business, our non-banking finance business and ultimately investment business. We are going to start a special situation fund where there will be substantial focus on investment management, investment banking and wealth management.
We also have an option to consider various other things whether to grow any other financial services business, which will come back in about a month’s time with our complete reason on that business.
Q: Could you talk a bit about how the brokerage business has been valued with the price that you have got at USD 445 million?
A: The brokerage business has been valued on a basis, which were negotiated deals. I do not want to discuss how the valuation was done because it’s not right for me to do that. But roughly, the profits of the securities business, which was consolidated with the JM Financial balance sheet, was about 52-55% and investment banking was about 45%. So that’s the way the split of the business was there.
Those businesses, which we have sold is roughly the profits are of about 55% and about 45% of profit we have bought it at a book value. So if you look at it, the securities business is roughly valued at two times Rs 445 million, which is over little less than USD 900 million. The investment banking business, which we bought at a book value and the profit contribution was about 45%. So you can take a guess for what valuation could then investment banking be if we got it actually at a book value - that’s the way we have look at it.
Q: What are the modalities of the agreement in terms of whether there is a non-compete clause in any arm of the business and what happens to the people’s strength that JM and Morgan had together?
A: Whatever people are there in investment banking will remain with us and there will be a two-year clause of non-poaching of the people between the two parties. So we will not poach people from insurance securities business and they will not poach people from our businesses. For two years, that’s what we will continue.
As far as non-compete is concerned there is no non-compete; once Morgan Stanley will get an investment-banking license from SEBI, they can compete with us. We have no problem on that because we will be competing, not only with Morgan Stanley but also with Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers.
Q: The securities business accounted for a large share of your overall revenues. How long do you think it will take for you and do you think you will be successfully able to build an institutional securities business without Morgan Stanley?
A: For the institutional securities business, naturally the foreign firm is a greater advantage because of its worldwide distribution. We will focus ourselves on the basis that we are domestic investment house. Every country in the world has a good strong domestic investment bank. If you look at Macquarie Bank in Australia, they are a strong investment bank in Australia. So what we are looking at is that there are a large number of FII and hedge fund investors and we will focus on them.
We will give them great and innovative ideas and we are confident of getting those businesses from them. It will take about another six months time to set-up the institutional platform and we are going to do it, very clearly. It's not that we will not get a business, we may not have a very high market share on that, but we are confident of getting those businesses from FIIs and also hedge funds.
Q: We saw this deal coming three months back. Why were you so vehement in your denial three months back when we first reported this story, if it was going to happen just three months down the line?
A: Nothing was decided at that time, so how can I say that I have done it. When I do a deal, I will tell you. I was not a seller that’s very clear. Therefore, when we are not a seller of my business, I have acquired the business from Morgan Stanley.
Q: You have also sold your stake in the securities business, which is the larger business?
A: That is sold mainly because Morgan Staley was controlling that business and also I have to give my partner a good platform, It is no use buying everything and they become zero to start with.