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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 22/Jul/2008 at 3:10pm
It works like the PEG we can pay higher EV to EBIDTA for higher growth. About cost of capital please start a new thread or a new posta nd I will put it in a new thread.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 02/Apr/2011 at 8:01am

We won't buy into companies where someone's talking about EBITDA. If you look at all companies, and split them into companies that use EBITDA as a metric and those that don't, I suspect you'll find a lot more fraud in the former group. Look at companies like Wal-Mart, GE and Microsoft -- they'll never use EBITDA in their annual report.

People who use EBITDA are either trying to con you or they're conning themselves. Telecoms, for example, spend every dime that's coming in. Interest and taxes are real costs.- Warren Buffett

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Quote go4lalit Replybullet Posted: 03/Apr/2011 at 9:47pm
Very Interesting !!
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 03/Apr/2011 at 1:34am
Originally posted by basant

We won't buy into companies where someone's talking about EBITDA. If you look at all companies, and split them into companies that use EBITDA as a metric and those that don't, I suspect you'll find a lot more fraud in the former group. Look at companies like Wal-Mart, GE and Microsoft -- they'll never use EBITDA in their annual report.

People who use EBITDA are either trying to con you or they're conning themselves. Telecoms, for example, spend every dime that's coming in. Interest and taxes are real costs.- Warren Buffett

 
 
 
He He.....WB is right....our telcos are also very focused on EBITDA...
 
I find that EBITDA is mainly consultant speak...
 
Also EBITDA can allow you to justify buying loss making companies as well e.g. Bharti's acquisition of Zain telecom
 
However, EBITDA is very handy in figuring out debt repayment valuation
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 04/Apr/2011 at 4:30pm
More on EBIDTA from WB and Munger
 
Not thinking of depreciation as an expense is crazy. I can think of a few businesses where one could ignore depreciation charges, but not many. Even with our gas pipelines, depreciation is real -- you have to maintain them and eventually they become worthless (though this may be 100 years).

It [depreciation] is reverse float -- you lay out money before you get cash. Any management that doesn't regards depreciation as an expense is living in a dream world, but they're encouraged to do so by bankers. Many times, this comes close to a flim flam game.

People want to send me books with EBITDA and I say fine, as long as you pay cap ex. There are very few businesses that can spend a lot less than depreciation and maintain the health of the business.

This is nonsense. It couldn't be worse. But a whole generation of investors have been taught this. It's not a non-cash expense -- it's a cash expense but you spend it first. It's a delayed recording of a cash expense.

We at Berkshire are going to spend more this year on cap ex than we depreciate.

Munger: I think that, every time you saw the word EBITDA [earnings], you should substitute the word "bullshit" earnings.
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