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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 12/Jul/2007 at 12:01pm
LOL those ears..

But no Kulman ji,  most of the time, Tulsian gives fairly logical advice in his moneycontrol chat. I am beginning to like the above DLF quote because it is the longest statement ever made on Moneycontrol, with optimum usage of commas & and's.

Mark my words - this quote will be as popular as some of the Warren Buffet quotes.



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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 12/Jul/2007 at 12:26pm
LOL Yes, you are right.
 
By the way, Shashi jee had made an interesting analysis of SPT's analysis here on TED.
 
 
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Quote vishal.sahay Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2007 at 11:53am

DLF set to bag MCD project

13 Jul, 2007, 2215 hrs IST, PTI

 

 

NEW DELHI: Real estate behemoth DLF is all set to bag a civic centre project from Municipal Corporation of Delhi (MCD) in the heart of the national capital, for which it is understood to have made the highest bid of Rs 398 crore.

 

MCD had invited expressions of interest from developers for taking on 30-year lease about four lakh square feet of office space along with auditorium and food court.

 

"DLF and Parsvnath were the two bidders for our civic centre project near Minto Road," a senior MCD official said.

 

He said 50 per cent of the area under the civic centre would be occupied by the winner of the contract.

 

Market sources said that DLF has emerged as the highest bidder with the bid of Rs 398 crore while Parsvnath came second with Rs 326 crore.

 

When contacted, DLF official declined to comment as the bidding process was not completed.

 

The development of the civic centre was being undertaken by the MCD itself, the sources added.

 

Apart from the upfront payment, the winner would have to make an yearly payment of 2.5 per cent of the bid amount as rental, they said.

 

After the successful IPO of over Rs 9,000 crore, DLF has already emerged as a sole bidder for two projects in Delhi and Bangalore.

 

While the Dwarka project is for developing convention centre, that in Bangalore is an integrated township of over 9,000 acres. 

 

Source: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2202211.cms



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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 15/Jul/2007 at 10:47am
DLF IPO: The Untold Story (TOI)
 
All’s well that ends well. The cliche holds true for what is now India’s biggest real estate company DLF, which listed on the bourses last week.
   Soon after listing, the company became the eighth most valuable in the coutry and its promoters, K P Singh and family are now the fourth wealthiest Indians behind the Ambani brothers and Sunil Mittal.
   But people who followed the issue carefully know it was one of the most tumultuous IPOs in recent times.
   Right from the time the issue was conceived in the first quarter of 2006, it was plagued by controversy. There was intense speculation that a company with significant interests in real estate did not want DLF to get big money from the stock markets.
   An executive from the rival’s camp reportedly told close associates, “The DLF issue in its current form will happen over my dead body.’’
   Call it coincidence if you will. But soon after DLF filed its draft red herring prospectus (DRHP), reports that the company had short changed its shareholders on an earlier rights issue of debentures in November 2005 surfaced.
   A public interest litigation was filed and the company received over 500 complaints from shareholders.
   The company eventually allotted 1.9 million shares with retrospective effect.
   Around the same time, real estate stocks started to crash on the markets. Of course, valuations of companies like Unitech and Ansal Housing had run up rather quickly.
   But this crash shaved off nearly a third of their stock prices. Suddenly, DLF started to look expensive and its merchant bankers began to get to feel jittery. They advised against going to the market with an IPO.
   Even as all of this was happening, Sebi issued a new directive. It said that real estate companies could get land banks valued, only if a clear title deed existed.
   The move, on Sebi’s part, was a well thought and fair plan to rein in errant real estate companies milking the primary markets.
   For DLF though, the order took the wind out of its sails. Sources said this directive shaved off Rs 100-150 from the proposed issue price. The reason being that when DLF’s public issue was first mooted, analysts rated the company highly for the land bank it held.
   This land bank though, was held using smaller companies under different names as a front. This was because DLF reckoned that smaller companies could negotiate a better price for land than what DLF could. They had realised that often sellers quoted higher than market prices if DLF was the buyer.
   Even as this drama was unfolding, a cabinet minister intervened on DLF’s part and warned the rival camp that some of the permissions it was seeking from his ministry would be delayed inordinately if they didn’t back off. They did and the issue went through. But like the rival had sworn, not in the form it was originally planned in. Though company sources would never confirm, DLF had plans to issue shares in the region of Rs 900-1,100, when it first filed DRHP. It eventually issued stock at Rs 525 and reduced the shares on offer.
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 12:10pm
Those bullish on DLF would read this article as - 'The fair value of DLF is Rs. 1,000 then'. Those bearish on DLF would read this article as - 'DLF management are a bunch of crooks, always planning to loot poor investors'.

I belong to the former camp. The management offering lower number of shares than originally planned is a good sign.

Who is the 'rival camp'?
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Quote PKB2000 Replybullet Posted: 16/Jul/2007 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by smartcat

Those bullish on DLF would read this article as - 'The fair value of DLF is Rs. 1,000 then'. Those bearish on DLF would read this article as - 'DLF management are a bunch of crooks, always planning to loot poor investors'.

I belong to the former camp. The management offering lower number of shares than originally planned is a good sign.

Who is the 'rival camp'?
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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 18/Jul/2007 at 3:49pm
Real estate stocks are never evaluated on the basis of PE and EPS what if DLF sells all its property this year where will the EPS come in the next year?


On CNBC, there was a small item that DLF might show a net profit of Rs. 2,000 crores for Q1 and revenues of something like Rs. 4,000 crores (don't remember the exact numbers). But as you said, looking at these numbers and evaluating DLF on P/E basis doesn't make sense since they are asset heavy companies

But is it a good idea to REMOVE the revenues/profits generated by sale of assets and then evaluate real estate companies based on traditional parameters like P/E and EPS?
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 18/Jul/2007 at 3:57pm
But is it a good idea to REMOVE the revenues/profits generated by sale of assets and then evaluate real estate companies based on traditional parameters like P/E and EPS?
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It is a tough one. Evaluating something on an EPS basis assumes that the profits would keep coming in for the PE number of years for an investor to recover his money back. Now in this case the assets are gone so the PE hides more then it reveals because generally PE reflects the number of years it would take for an investor to get back his money if the earning per share were constant.
 
FOr realestate Land bank to mkt cap or NAV is the best method anything away from this is incorrect.


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