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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 26/Nov/2007 at 2:10pm
Thanks for that info, Vincent.
 
Considering that India is at where USA was in 1970s, under-penetration of Insurance, and our huge population throws up trememndous opportunities in this sector.
 
The issue to watch out for is the competition & imminent under-cutting of premia. Now everyone wants to have a slice.
 
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 26/Nov/2007 at 4:15pm
Originally posted by vincent

kulmanji, this is what i understand by float,

1) Float is the premiums received by the insurance company.

2) Claims are paid out by the amount of premium recd.

3) If claims are more than the premiums recd. then it is an underwriting loss, the reverse is underwriting profit.

4) The ratio of this loss to the premiums recd in a year is called as the cost of  float for that year.

5)  A negative cost of float means that the premiums received by the company is greater than the claims submitted and therefore a negative is profitable here. (source : The warren buffet way & 19.5degs.com)

6) Buffett used this float for investments. The income generated from these investments is kept by the insurance company.

7) Size of float : From 1967 to 2005, Berkshire's float increased from $20 million to $49 billion  (source : fool.com)



 
That was full of insight. Seems you are closely tracking/related to  this sector. If so can you post any links on what can go wromg with insurance companies and what are the aspects that investors need to keep in mind before buying insurance companies.
 
 
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Quote vincent Replybullet Posted: 28/Nov/2007 at 2:08pm
Basantji I'm not tracking this sector but, I was interested in knowing about buffet's float.
I found this link for valuation of insurance stocks.
http://www.fool.com/personal-finance/insurance/2006/12/29/a-closer-look-at-insurance-stocks.aspx
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 28/Nov/2007 at 2:13pm
Thanks you. At first glance it looked very effective.
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 28/Nov/2007 at 9:31pm
Thanks a lot. That article provides another link to this one:
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 28/Nov/2007 at 9:07am

Maynot be directly relevant....

Breaking Down Berkshire's Equitas Deal

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In October 2006, National Indemnity, a unit of Berkshire Hathaway signed a landmark deal to assume the assets, liabilities, and operations of Equitas, formed by Lloyds of London to assume its liabilities on policies written prior to 1992. As part of the deal, Berkshire agreed to provide Equitas as much as $7 billion in reinsurance coverage.

Figuring out how Berkshire makes money on these types of deals could help Fools understand Berkshire's insurance business better -- and gain insight into Buffett's and Berkshire reinsurance chief Ajit Jain's methods.

Lee: Why do you think Berkshire was able to get this deal done, versus other finite reinsurers, like AIG, out there?

Mayerson: Berkshire is somewhat unique, in that its shareholders have such large stakes (given the price per share) and have been inculcated by Warren Buffett to take the long-term view.

In contrast, other companies' shareholders or fund managers seem more focused on the shorter or medium term. As a result, Berkshire can do a deal today that it hopes will pay off for it two decades from now. Most other companies have neither the management nor the shareholders who are willing to reap the financial benefits two decades hence.

 

 
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 06/Dec/2007 at 4:37pm

A time will come soon when we need to run away from insurance agents like we used to do for MLM guys like Amway....so many insurance companies & so many policies...

 
Financial services firm Religare Enterprises Ltd is evaluating a foray into the non-life insurance sector and is open for joint ventures for its various subsidiaries, a top official said on Thursday.

It has already formed a joint venture with Dutch insurer Aegon NV for life insurance and has tied up with Australian bank Macquarie, Religare Chairman, Malvinder Mohan Singh said at the Reuters India Summit.

 
Private life insurer, Birla Sun Life, on Thursday said it has infused an additional capital of Rs 123 crore to the company's capital.

This would make the company's total capital base to Rs 1,000 crore.


The additional capital has been infused in the proportion of 74:26, between the Aditya Birla Group and the joint venture partner, Sun Life Financial Inc, company said.

"We have more than doubled our branch network in the current fiscal and intend to step up the pace rapidly. The additional capital will be utilised to strengthen the infrastructure of the company," Mehmi said.

 

 


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Quote smartcat Replybullet Posted: 06/Dec/2007 at 4:41pm
A time will come soon when we need to run away from insurance agents like we used to do for MLM guys like Amway....so many insurance companies & so many policies...
 
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