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Quote vivekkumar_in Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 8:31pm
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I wish I can get Independence from my existing Job (which I do just like a duty) so that I can 100% focus on equity research and investment.                                                                                                
 
Basant jee, when you quit your first job and decided to start your own venture, didn't you get protest from your close associates or insecure feeling from inside? How did you manage to handle such tough situation? I feel we need lots of guts to break away from consistence source of income.
 
It happened more by default then choice.We owed mining rights to a very large deposit in J&K but because of Govt. (Farooq Abdullah) interference - they wanted to terminate our lease and give it to one of their own people that lease was terminated in 2000 and all our investment in that company was valued at zero!!!
 
This company was started by my father and all this came up because he passed away in 1999 maybe at 26 years I was too ignorant and foolish to handle the hot potatoes of the Indian political system. I fought the case till my last penny in the courts but then gave up since I lost both hope and money.I lost all my investments in the tech bubble because I traded to make a fortune in the shortest possible time.
 
In 2001 I joined a school as a part time teacher (salary Rs 1000pm) and started teaching students in a private tutorial that I set up at that time. I had lots of free time and read almost all the books on investing. The biggest problem with our day to day job is it does not give us time to think. All day long we behave like labours and there is no time devoted to thinking anything that is too far away from the present.
 
Made some big money in the 9/11 crash and then came across Pantaloon Retail and Tv18 etc in 2003. Simmultaneously I took up a MF distributorship because it was linked with something I enjoy doing - also it indicated  a steady flow of income through SIP enrollements of clients - Never gave cash back because that is the cost of my advice.
 
At one point of time I was teaching about 100 students but have since left teaching because I cannot give time to this website which I helped create just to share knowledge and gain wisdom from like minded people.
 
But yes, when i left tuitions in 2006 and when I used to invest my last rupee in stocks there were a flood of protests.
 
But my experience has been that following something in which one has passion is a great thing to do but then we all need a capital base for that. I still consider myself lucky of not being wiped out in 2001 because I was leveraged like hell! I used to see some shares and then buy again as the markets rose. my bankers HDFC bank were always with me.On days the markets fell they used to call me for margin call and the moment I heard their voice I used to say "Array sir yeh kal badh jayega". Today in retrospect I think I was riding my passion with luck.
 
 
 
Very inspirational Basantji !
 


Edited by basant - 16/Aug/2007 at 9:13pm
Often we forget there's a company behind every stock,and there's only one reason why stocks go up. Companies go from doing poorly to doing well or small companies grow to large companies.
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Quote Mr. V Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 9:49pm
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It happened more by default then choice.We owed mining rights to a very large deposit in J&K but because of Govt. (Farooq Abdullah) interference - they wanted to terminate our lease and give it to one of their own people that lease was terminated in 2000 and all our investment in that company was valued at zero!!!
 
This company was started by my father and all this came up because he passed away in 1999 maybe at 26 years I was too ignorant and foolish to handle the hot potatoes of the Indian political system. I fought the case till my last penny in the courts but then gave up since I lost both hope and money.I lost all my investments in the tech bubble because I traded to make a fortune in the shortest possible time.
 
In 2001 I joined a school as a part time teacher (salary Rs 1000pm) and started teaching students in a private tutorial that I set up at that time. I had lots of free time and read almost all the books on investing. The biggest problem with our day to day job is it does not give us time to think. All day long we behave like labours and there is no time devoted to thinking anything that is too far away from the present.
 
Made some big money in the 9/11 crash and then came across Pantaloon Retail and Tv18 etc in 2003. Simmultaneously I took up a MF distributorship because it was linked with something I enjoy doing - also it indicated  a steady flow of income through SIP enrollements of clients - Never gave cash back because that is the cost of my advice.
 
At one point of time I was teaching about 100 students but have since left teaching because I cannot give time to this website which I helped create just to share knowledge and gain wisdom from like minded people.
 
But yes, when i left tuitions in 2006 and when I used to invest my last rupee in stocks there were a flood of protests.
 
But my experience has been that following something in which one has passion is a great thing to do but then we all need a capital base for that. I still consider myself lucky of not being wiped out in 2001 because I was leveraged like hell! I used to see some shares and then buy again as the markets rose. my bankers HDFC bank were always with me.On days the markets fell they used to call me for margin call and the moment I heard their voice I used to say "Array sir yeh kal badh jayega". Today in retrospect I think I was riding my passion with luck.
 
 
 
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Quote us121 Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 10:35pm
something amazing, Basantji.

However, making money is one thing which practically happened with u post 2003. But, the kind of stability of thought which u present seems, this 2003 yr (when your true journey in investment world started) was a decade back from now.
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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 10:48pm
Follow your passion !
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 1:00am
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something amazing, Basantji.

However, making money is one thing which practically happened with u post 2003. But, the kind of stability of thought which u present seems, this 2003 yr (when your true journey in investment world started) was a decade back from now.
 
I have gained (stolen) all th experience of the greats whose books I have read and I continue to read everything with a feeling that it were my text book. I never read a book without a pencil or a highlighter and sometimes it takes 2 weeks for me to read 200 pages. I revisit the thoughts again in a random manner. I am able to do it because I take that as a hobby rather then work.
 
SmartCat: We were mining gypsum of 92% plus purity. Cost of production was Rs 40 per tonne and selling price was Rs 500 per tonne on advance payment.maybe that was the catalyst for the vested interest to get in. It was an opencast mine and all we had to do was dug up the mountain and sell it at the mine pithead itself.
 
Though I feel luck has a very little relevance in our sucess I think I was lucky not to be wiped off in 2001. I was really playing with fire and the best part was I always thought I had nothing to lose (a few lacs made no difference to my mental strength so I thought why not bet on it for the long term on leverage).
 
Did you all know that in 2002 RJ was also called in for margin calls and had to sell NIIT in one day which sent the stock tanking 18%. He was later put under investigation by SEBi for bear hammering.
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Quote sanjay3 Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 2:16am
It happened more by default then choice.We owed mining rights to a very large deposit in J&K but because of Govt. (Farooq Abdullah) interference - they wanted to terminate our lease and give it to one of their own people that lease was terminated in 2000 and all our investment in that company was valued at zero!!!
 
This company was started by my father and all this came up because he passed away in 1999 maybe at 26 years I was too ignorant and foolish to handle the hot potatoes of the Indian political system. I fought the case till my last penny in the courts but then gave up since I lost both hope and money.I lost all my investments in the tech bubble because I traded to make a fortune in the shortest possible time.
 
In 2001 I joined a school as a part time teacher (salary Rs 1000pm) and started teaching students in a private tutorial that I set up at that time. I had lots of free time and read almost all the books on investing. The biggest problem with our day to day job is it does not give us time to think. All day long we behave like labours and there is no time devoted to thinking anything that is too far away from the present.
 
Made some big money in the 9/11 crash and then came across Pantaloon Retail and Tv18 etc in 2003. Simmultaneously I took up a MF distributorship because it was linked with something I enjoy doing - also it indicated  a steady flow of income through SIP enrollements of clients - Never gave cash back because that is the cost of my advice.
 
At one point of time I was teaching about 100 students but have since left teaching because I cannot give time to this website which I helped create just to share knowledge and gain wisdom from like minded people.
 
But yes, when i left tuitions in 2006 and when I used to invest my last rupee in stocks there were a flood of protests.
 
But my experience has been that following something in which one has passion is a great thing to do but then we all need a capital base for that. I still consider myself lucky of not being wiped out in 2001 because I was leveraged like hell! I used to see some shares and then buy again as the markets rose. my bankers HDFC bank were always with me.On days the markets fell they used to call me for margin call and the moment I heard their voice I used to say "Array sir yeh kal badh jayega". Today in retrospect I think I was riding my passion with luck.
 



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Quote vivekkumar_in Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 3:19am
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All day long we behave like labours and there is no time devoted to thinking anything that is too far away from the present.
 


Very true Basantji ! One thing that striked me when I read RDPD Robert Kiyosaki was..

Most of us spend 8 - 12 hrs every day in office working for some boss...
On top of that if some spend time on studying that is also aimed towards either securing a better job or promotion.. but again working more that some boss can gain..

All the work we put in from Jan to Apr of a year goes to the Govt...
Its true.. Income tax is typically 30% which is about 1/3rd of salary.. essentially 1/3rd of year's working... slogging 4 months a year for the govt...

So why can't we work for ourselves at least 1- 2 hr a day ?

This working for ourselves is where I see reading about investments, tracking them, thinking about it etc fills in...

Most general public get too much wound up in the work .. so they don't spend time on themselves...



Edited by vivekkumar_in - 16/Aug/2007 at 3:32am
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Quote vivekkumar_in Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2007 at 3:23am
I heard a very catchy ad for a Investment seminar in radio the other day...

Do you think your boss pays you for what you are really worth ?
Does your Boss look long term on where you want yourselves to be ?
Is your Boss focused towards your financial security ?
<pause> Does your Boss care whether you become a millionaire ?


































Hell no!
... was my answer first time I head it !!!

There are things you can no longer depend on your company to do for you..like old days pension etc..

You got to just think beyond your primary source of income for making yourselves financially independent...

I know.. not even many of my colleagues or bosses in Software think like this... I often consider myself as being thankful for  having exposed to such knowledge through Internet, books & medium like TED...

 


Edited by vivekkumar_in - 16/Aug/2007 at 3:29am
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