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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2013 at 5:17pm
IMHO calling it a value stock might not be accurate as the yield is likely to disappear is the cash runs out

Similarly the PE is likely to rise is earnings fall
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Quote manish_okhade Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2013 at 5:21pm
I second the Subu.
 
Anything falls for valid reason is not a value while if fall is due to invalid reason then its definitly a value.
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2013 at 6:59pm
Second the second.

Value is not equal to trash
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Quote amitgoyal Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2013 at 10:36am
Opto Circuits has been a huge disappointment. This stock has underperformed for the past five years. The company has piled on Debt like there is no tomorrow. Everyone right from Tulsian to Sukhani is now harping over its Corporate Governance issues in the press. There is no clarity.

But I still think there is some hope. As one of the biggest positive is that I refuse to believe that the management is a fraud as it has been consistently honest for the past 12 years. If they could just somehow reduce their debt and turn cash-flow positive and of course survive this very tough period, then this can do wonders for the company.

But well there is no CRISIL rating till date which was promised within 2 weeks in June 2012 !!!

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Quote kkasawa Replybullet Posted: 06/Feb/2013 at 12:03pm
Well management has come & clariifed
Opto Circuits (India) Ltd has informed that none of the Promoters shares have ever been pledged.
 
Jupiter capital also added 1 lakh shares on 5th Feb. they were already having 4%+ holding in opto.why a insider is buying?
 
They removed Crisil long back & got investment grade rating from Brickworks.
 
Still no real bad news known on this stock for current abysmal mouth- watering valuations.
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Quote Multiplier Replybullet Posted: 06/Feb/2013 at 12:51pm
Good luck to you, Kkasawa.....the problem is that their business model is all messed up .....huge debt funded acquisitions, very high working capital cycle, zero leverage with customers who dictate terms, huge dividend payouts despite being tight on cash, senseless bonus issues to satisfy gullilble investors, problem with rating agencies (change away from CRISIL obviously for the rating they were giving).....
 
Let us know when you actually buy the stock ....
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Quote Khan Replybullet Posted: 06/Feb/2013 at 2:46pm
How does "you refusing to believe" become a positive.. that too biggest?

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But I still think there is some hope. As one of the biggest positive is that I refuse to believe that the management is a fraud as it has been consistently honest for the past 12 years. If they could just somehow reduce their debt and turn cash-flow positive and of course survive this very tough period, then this can do wonders for the company.

But well there is no CRISIL rating till date which was promised within 2 weeks in June 2012 !!!

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Edited by Khan - 06/Feb/2013 at 2:48pm
If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten
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Quote kkasawa Replybullet Posted: 06/Feb/2013 at 3:34pm
I hold since IPO in 2000. It was a mega bagger for me & a still a big multibagger after crash.The dividend itself i get per year is more than the cost i have put.
Things change for companies, yester years hero's goes off   & new leaders emerge.
But we need to see is the business collapsing. Are they making obsolote stuff which will replaced by something else. for all this answer is "No".they remain in evergreen industry.Medical equipments can't die. 
Such companies & promoters who have created enormous wealth over a period can't be written off so easily.
Market has it's own way of judging business's.
Market suggest something but is never fully right or wrong , else no boom or bust will happen.
Why same people who were ready to pay 100 Rs for many real estate scrips are not ready to pay Rs 10?
Speculative stuff keeps happening  in market driven by operators.
 
Technically scrip has very strong support at 60. This was were it bounced in 2008 crash.
let us see what happen's now.
 
 
 
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Good luck to you, Kkasawa.....the problem is that their business model is all messed up .....huge debt funded acquisitions, very high working capital cycle, zero leverage with customers who dictate terms, huge dividend payouts despite being tight on cash, senseless bonus issues to satisfy gullilble investors, problem with rating agencies (change away from CRISIL obviously for the rating they were giving).....
 
Let us know when you actually buy the stock ....
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