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    Posted: 29/Jan/2011 at 1:05pm

Agre Developers is a new company which came into existence just about 20-25 days back. It is a Pantaloon group company where there was a scheme arrangement wherein the mall management and mall development business of Pantaloon Retail was demerged and put into a separate company called Agre Developers. Shareholders of Pantaloon Retail were given one share of Rs 10 of Agre Developers for every 20 shares of face value of Rs 2."

He further added, "As things stand today, the equity of Agre Developers is about Rs 11 crore and the shareholders of Pantaloon Retail became the shareholders of Agre Developers via the scheme of arrangement. The idea behind this demerger was to enable growth of the mall development and mall management business as a separate entity."

"The current price is about Rs 48-49, equity of Rs 11 crore which means that the marketcap of the company is about Rs 50-55 crore. So you have a Pantaloon group company available at a marketcap of about Rs 50-55 crore. Now, if you see the financials, for the first six months of the current financial year, the revenues are about Rs 45 crore, the company made a net loss of about Rs 1 crore. With annualized revenues of about Rs 90 crore, the marketcap is just about Rs 55 crore, which is not even one time of revenue."

"If you take a look at the balance sheet, the equity is about Rs 11 crore and reserves are close to Rs 250 crore, which means a book value of about Rs 240. As against the book value of Rs 240, you have the stock available at less than Rs 50, which is just about 20% of the book value."

"If you see it in totality, they have a debt of about Rs 85 crore on the balance sheet, which means an enterprise value of about Rs 130-140 crore. As against the enterprise value of Rs 140 crore, the company has got a gross block of about Rs 215 crore and also capital work in progress of Rs 40 crore. Out of this gross block of Rs 215 crore, about Rs 80 crore is hard asset in the form of land and building. This is something which gives a lot of comfort as far as the downside in the stock is concerned."

"They also currently manage about six malls while they have about 24 malls, which will be operational in FY12. In the next one-two years, you can see a massive scalability of operations. Now, this is probably the only listed company involved in mall management business, which is a niche business. Being the only listed company and not having any peer group comparison, the valuation, I believe, is just a perception."

"From these levels, the downside looks extremely restricted but given the scalability and the management behind it, this could indeed turn to be a real multibagger if held on for maybe three-five years. If you see the shareholding pattern of the company, promoters hold close to 44%. There is a huge amount of institutional holding in the company - institutions hold close to 37% of the company. A lot of these institutional investors may not be interested in a Rs 50-55 crore marketcap company."

"It is possible that you may see unloading from some of those institutional investors, which maybe an opportunity for the HNI and retail investors. From these levels, the downside looks extremely restricted. There is scalability, which is going to come in the next couple of years and from these levels, the probability of going wrong in the stock seems to be very little
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Quote numcru Replybullet Posted: 29/Jan/2011 at 1:28pm
Yes, Dilipji Basantji said it earlier. That the number of companies Kishore Biyani is floating is pretty mindboggling. Even the chart of Pantaloon would work only if the promoter runs it according to his ideas. Kishoreji has his hands full because of 37 companies. The promoter would be forced to delegate and every investor is skeptical as to how he will run the companies. He is spreading himself thin and it is all over the place. Confused
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Quote BGKGURU Replybullet Posted: 29/Jan/2011 at 11:49pm
agre developrs-
 
Future group company earlier known as future mall management
 
cmp-Rs. 110
book value Rs. 238
mkt cap-Rs. 120 crore
 
Kindly read below links and information memorandum for more detail.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I m bullish and hold 5% of my portfolio.


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Quote iaditya Replybullet Posted: 29/Jan/2011 at 10:47am
Kishore Biyani is junior Anil Ambani in my opinion. Raises tons of money from public, but all the companies are floundering. See FC returns... horrible.
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Quote retailinvestor Replybullet Posted: 30/Jan/2011 at 1:01pm
Thanks Dilip for the info. How are they going to earn money - collecting rents from retailers/fees for services? Do they own the malls?? If they are not the owner, who is the owner of these malls?
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Quote manishwithted Replybullet Posted: 09/Feb/2011 at 7:05pm

What is the net profit margin expected going forward, that will give us an idea whether the stock is cheap or not on earnings basis.

Why is the company making loss , they must be in operation for few years now as Future mall management

On book value terms it looks very cheap. But  i remember reading somewhere in the information memorandum that the difference in the assest price of the subsidiary is transferred to the share premium account.

The non-executive Chairman is NOT Kishore biyani. May be the promoters are looking for a future exit. ... just a guess. ( why did they change the name to exclude Future from the original name, they could have named it as Future / pantaloon developers)

There is a lock in period for a certain amount of shares. 

i could not find related party transactions.

cash in hand is very less : 2.1 cr ,  investments are for purchasing equity of infrastructure company and cannot be counted as liquid balance like MF investments.

loans & advances are very high as 105.4 cr.

Also, one thing i dont understand is - if the company is primarily in the business of mall management  which is supposed to be asset light, 
WHY they have a net block of 180 Cr and CWIP of 40 cr ( total 220 cr out of 365 cr)

( thru postal ballot it plans to venture into construction and property development also but that will be in next FY)

none of the directors hold shares of the company except for 1 who holds only 50 shares.

i find salary of MD high as abt 1.8 cr ( without including commission) when the rev is only 44 cr and the company is making loss.

Few positives :
investments by MF's and institutions
Share issue expenses of 14.9 lacs were mentioned as expenses which reduces net profit ( many companies adjust it with share premium account)
Promoter - Future group
new properties are coming up so may increase the revenues.



Will appreciate if teddies can clarify the above doubts


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Quote bagdu Replybullet Posted: 14/Jan/2013 at 8:08pm
Some recent developments:
There have been further changes in the company ownership and assets that it holds.
1.Though the promoter holding is being shown as 68%, 3 companies hold a further 21.6%. These 3 companies are apparently promoter group companies. As per the listing norms, promoters have to bring their stake down to 75% by June 2013
2.As per VCCircle, the MD of the company, Sumit Dabriwala has resigned.
3.This company has a significant in the Calcutta Riverside being developed by Sumit's promoted Highland group.
4.There have been reports of Future Group trying to sell off the 10 acres mall which is owned by this company.
5. A wholesale Mobile phone market has been developed by reconfiguring its existing mall in Mumbai.
6. A new wholesale market has been developed in Bangalore in association with Salarpuria group. There was a lot of noise about this development till Septmeber after which there has not been much news.
7.There have been no announcement on other plans like developing infra-logistics parks, Mall Management and developing wholesale markets
8.In the future vision of Future group, there are 3 listed verticals
envisioned: the Fashion business i.e. Future Fashion, the Food and Distribution Business i.e. existing Future Ventures and Value Retail through existing Food Bazaar format. This company does not figure and very few people are aware that Future group owns this company.
9. FDI in retail has been allowed. Managing the regulatory landscape will be a difficult task for foreign investors. Walmart has recently fired its 24 consultants. A company like this will have sizeable business from foreigners in this scenario.
What exactly is Kishore Biyani's plan for this company?

Has he given up on the potential and wants to sell off this real estate portfolio?

Does he want to delist this company only to sell the stake for a higher value to Private Equity guys or other partners?
The company has Long term borrowings of Rs 480 crore and short term borrowings of Rs 76 crore. The 10 acre mall itself should be enough to pay off this debt. There are a lot of other prime real estate that this company owns. This company has significant dependence on other Future group companies for its business and there is a tremendous conflict of interest involved.
It would be interesting to see how this company evolves. Given its asset base and its potential to affect development of organized retail, this should get more attention.

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