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    Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 12:02pm
Most foolish comment I have ever heard. Hero Honda traded less then 500 shares in 1996; Infy traded less then 1000 shares in 1995; HFCL, Global tele, DSQ and Satyam traded the most during the tech boom!
 
One of the signals of unpopularity is illiquidity,the fact that stock is illiquid means that people are not willing to let go and you need a higher price to get the thing off their demat account. ALl things being equal an illiquid stock outperforms a liquid name over the longer term.
 
Now can someone ask this journalist as to why would a speculator get into an illiquid name? SPeculators love liquidity and mommentum and you cannot get any of these in illiquid names.
 
Now if you have bought an absolute dud then the problem is with the stock selection and not with illiquidity. Therefore an illiquid (low quality) stock with an adventurous investor makes for extended risk!
 
 
 in 2003 one could not buy 500 shares of Trent without bidding up the price 4%; he cannot buy it even today and Trent has underperformed
 
Originally posted by Hitesh Shah

On liquidity in general with a bit on illiquid stocks
 
Prefer stocks with higher volumes and lower bid/ ask spreads, as the influence of speculators and the impact of large orders on such stock are relatively lower
 


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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 1:00pm
1. The journo's email address is at the bottom of the article. Perhaps, he may respond if Basantji contacts him.

2. While Basantji said is logical, but there is the issue of why stock exchanges and the regulator caution against illiquid stocks. I will provide a link again from the NSE relating to which stocks have been moved into the trade-to-trade (T2T) segment that requires compulsory purchase or delivery. Here.

3. Stocks that have been discussed on TED such as HSIL, Gabriel, MUSCO, Excel Cropcare (and mera Tata Metaliks) have all been moved into this T2T segment based on observations by the surveillance panel of the exchanges. Some are due for release on Friday. To my knowledge, no explanation is given for the moves in or out.

4. So while there is no argument with saying that one must bid more to get a stock out of the hand of an unwilling seller, there is the action taken by the exchanges to consider as well. Basant and Subu have both mentioned getting "correspondence" regarding their purchase of illiquid stocks. Despite my request, the content of this correspondence hasn't been provided on TED. I hope they oblige.

5. I do not argue with the contention that highly liquid stocks are also favourites of speculators.

6. The comment on the trading volumes of Infy and other stocks in their infancy is relevant but the big difference now is the ease with which information (& disinformation) can be spread to gullible "investors" looking for a quick buck via the internet & SMS.

So, in conclusion, I don't agree with the feeling that illiquid stocks are automatically safe from speculative activity especially if they are recommended as tips. If someone researches a stock based on whatever parameter and then attempts to buy, the chance of getting trapped into an illiquid stock which is being pumped by someone is far less.

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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 1:07pm
SURVEILLANCE DEPARTMENT

CIRCULAR

 

Circular No.: NSE/SURV/26/2009
Download No.: NSE/SURV/12899
August 17, 2009

Dear Members,

In continuance of surveillance review and pursuant to the meeting at SEBI, with a view to ensure market safety and safeguard the interest of investors, the Exchange has decided to take the following actions:

   1. In pursuance of Capital Market Segment Trading Regulations Part - A, 2.6, the securities as given at Annexure -1 will be shifted from rolling segment (series: EQ) to trade for trade segment (series: BE) with a price band of 5% with effect from August 21, 2009 (Friday).

   2. Members may note that the securities as given at Annexure -2 shall continue to be available for trading in Trade for Trade segment with a price band of 5% or lower as applicable (series: BE).

   3. Members may note that the securities as given at Annexure -3 shall be shifted back from Trade for Trade segment (series: BE) to rolling segment (series: EQ) with effect from August 21, 2009 (Friday) at the existing price bands.

Members are requested to take adequate precaution while trading in the above securities, as the settlement will be done on trade-to-trade basis and no netting off will be allowed.

Members should note that the transfer of securities for trading and settlement on a trade-to-trade basis is purely a market surveillance measure and it should not be construed as an adverse action against the concerned companies (emphasis mine). Further, this measure will be periodically reviewed depending on the market conditions.

For any clarifications, members are advised to contact Ms. Anita Fernandes or Mr. Chirag Joshi on 26598129 or 26598166.

For National Stock Exchange of India Ltd.

Sonali Karnik

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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 1:15pm
NSE only!
These Stocks Continue in Trade-to-trade

Name of the security
Allsec Technologies Limited
Automotive Axles Limited
Autolite (India) Limited
Birla Cotsyn (India) Limited
Broadcast Initiatives Limited
Centum Electronics Limited
Core Emballage Ltd.
Crest Animation Studios Limited
De Nora India Limited
Enkei Castalloy Limited
Federal-Mogul Goetze (India) Limited.
Global Vectra Helicorp Limited
Hinduja Foundries Limited
Kalyani Forge Limited
Khaitan Electricals Limited
Kopran Ltd.
Lumax Auto Technologies Limited
Morarjee Textiles Limited
Nelcast Limited
Neocure Therapeutics Ltd
Nissan Copper Limited
Phillips Carbon Black Ltd.
Piramal Glass Limited
Piramal Life Sciences Limited
Precision Wires India Ltd
Quintegra Solutions Limited
Raisaheb Reckhchand Mohota Spinning & Weaving Mills Ltd
Ramsarup Industries Limited
Rana Sugars Ltd
Rico Auto Industries Ltd
Rane (Madras) Limited
Rohit Ferro-Tech Limited
Sakthi Sugars Ltd.
Shree Ganesh Forgings Limited
Sharyans Resources Ltd.
Sona Koyo Steering Systems Ltd.
STI India Ltd
Supreme Petrochem Ltd
Sutlej Textiles and Industries Limited
Usha Martin Infotech Limited
Visaka Industries Ltd.


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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 1:19pm
NSE only
These go into T2T this Friday (sorry for the goof-up!)
Name of the security
Alpa Laboratories Limited
Arihant Foundations & Housing Ltd
Bal Pharma Limited
Bombay Burmah Trading Corp. Ltd
Bharat Gears Ltd
Barak Valley Cements Limited
Cinevistaas Limited
Dharani Sugars & Chemicals Ltd
Duncans Industries Ltd
Entegra Limited
Excel Industries Limited
Fedders Lloyd Corporation Ltd
GKW Limited
Heritage Foods (India) Ltd.
IG Petrochemicals Ltd.
Ind-Swift Limited
JHS Svendgaard Laboratories Limited
Kemrock Industries and Exports Limited
Kamdhenu Ispat Limited
Kohinoor Foods Limited
Mawana Sugars Limited
Orient Ceramics and Industries Limited
Ramco Industries Ltd
Rane Brake Lining Limited
SEAMEC Limited
Simbhaoli Sugars Limited
Sita Shree Food Products Limited
Somany Ceramics Limited
Sudarshan Chemical Industries Ltd
Sujana Universal Industries Limited
Suprajit Engineering Limited
Themis Medicare Limited
TVS Electronics Limited
TVS Srichakra Ltd
Universal Cables Ltd
Upper Ganges Sugar & Industries Ltd
Uttam Sugar Mills Limited
Vindhya Telelinks Ltd.
Wanbury Limited
Winsome Yarns Ltd


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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 1:27pm
And these will be freed this Friday

Name of the security
Aarvee Denims & Exports Limited
Abhishek Corporation Limited
Advani Hotels & Resorts (India) Limited
Aftek Limited
Agro Dutch Industries Limited
AI Champdany Industries Limited
Ajanta Pharma Limited
Almondz Global Securities Limited
Alps Industries Ltd.
Ambica Agarbathies & Aroma industries Limited
Antarctica Graphics Limited
Apollo Sindhoori Capital Investments Limited
The Andhra Pradesh Paper Mills Limited
Archidply Industries Limited
Automotive Stampings and Assemblies Limited
Ashco Industries Limited
Ashima Limited
Asian Electronics Ltd
Amit Spinning Industries Limited
ATN International Limited
Aurionpro Solutions Limited
Autoline Industries Limited
Avaya GlobalConnect Limited
Axis-IT&T Limited
B.A.G Films and Media Limited
Banswara Syntex Limited
Batliboi Limited
Bell Ceramics Ltd
Birla Ericsson Optical Ltd
Birla Power Solutions Limited
BLB Limited
Blue Bird (India) Limited
Blue Chip India Ltd
Blue Coast Hotels and Resorts Limited
Blue Star Infotech Limited
BPL Limited
Brabourne Enterprises Limited
BSEL Infrastructure Realty Limited
BSL Ltd
Burnpur Cement Limited
Camlin Ltd.
Can Fin Homes Ltd
CEAT Limited
Celebrity Fashions Limited
Century Extrusions Limited
Cheslind Textiles Ltd
Cubex Tubings Ltd.
Cyber Media (India) Limited
DCM Ltd
Decolight Ceramics Limited
Delta Magnets Limited
Digjam Limited
Dolphin Offshore Enterprises (India) Limited
Donear Industries Limited
ECE Industries Limited
Elgi Rubber Company Limited
Emkay Global Financial Services Limited
Essel Propack Ltd.
Euro Ceramics Limited
Eurotex Industries And Exports Ltd
Everest Industries Limited
Excel Crop Care Limited
Fame India Limited
First Winner Industries Limited
Four Soft Limited
Gabriel India Ltd
Gammon Infrastructure Projects Limited
Gandhi Special Tubes Limited
Gangotri Textiles Limited
Garden Silk Mills Ltd.
Garware Offshore Services Limited
Ginni Filaments Ltd
GI Engineering Solutions Limited
Gokaldas Exports Limited
Golden Tobacco Limited
Goldiam International Limited
GTN Industries Limited
GTN Textiles Limited
Gufic Biosciences Limited
Gulf Oil Corporation Limited
HBL Power Systems Limited
HB Stockholdings Limited
Hilton Metal Forging Limited
Hindustan Composites Ltd
Hindustan Motors Ltd.
Hind Syntex Ltd.
Hotel Rugby Ltd.
HOV Services Limited
HSIL LIMITED
Indiabulls Retail Services Limited
Igarashi Motors India Limited
Impex Ferro Tech Limited
Indbank Merchant Banking Services Ltd
Indian Card Clothing Co. Ltd.
Infomedia 18 Limited
ITD Cementation India Limited
ITI Ltd.
Jain Studios Limited
Jayaswal Neco Industries Limited
JCT Electronics Limited
JD Orgochem Limited
Jenson & Nicholson (India) Ltd
JK Tyre & Industries Limited
Kale Consultants Limited
Kalyani Steels Ltd
KEI Industries Limited
Kernex Microsystems (India) Limited
Khaitan (India) Ltd.
Kitply Industries Ltd
KNR Constructions Limited
KDL Biotech Limited
Kothari Petrochemicals Ltd
Krishna Engineering Works Ltd
K Sera Sera Productions Limited
LCC Infotech Limited
LGB Forge Limited
Lloyds Finance Ltd.
Lloyds Steel Industries Ltd.
Landmark Property Development Company Limited
Madras Fertilizers Ltd
Mahindra Forgings Limited
Mahindra Ugine Steel Co. Ltd
Maharashtra Scooters Ltd
Malu Paper Mills Limited
Malwa Cotton Spg. Mills Ltd
Manaksia Limited
Manali Petrochemical Ltd
Maral Overseas Ltd
McDowell Holdings Limited
Mid-Day Multimedia Limited
Morepen Laboratories Ltd
The Motor & General Finance Ltd
Mukta Arts Ltd.
MVL Industries Limited
Nagreeka Capital & Infrastructure Limited
Nagreeka Exports Limited
Nahar Spinning Mills Ltd.
Nandan Exim Limited
National Steel And Agro Industries Limited
Nectar Lifesciences Limited
Nepc Micon Ltd
Nicco Corporation Limited
Nitin Spinners Limited
Northgate Technologies Limited
NRC Ltd.
Nalwa Sons Investments Limited
Nuchem Ltd
OCL Iron and Steel Limited
Onward Technologies Ltd
PAE Limited
Paramount Communications Ltd
Patspin India Ltd
Peacock Industries Ltd
Pearl Polymers Ltd
Pearl Engineering Polymers Limited
Pioneer Embroideries Limited
Precision Pipes And Profiles Company Limited
Prajay Engineers Syndicate Limited
Precot Meridian Limited
Pricol Limited
Prime Securities Limited
Pyramid Saimira Theatre Limited
PTL Enterprises Limited
Radaan Mediaworks India Limited
Ramco Systems Limited
Regency Ceramics Ltd.
Radha Madhav Corporation Limited
RPG Life Sciences Limited
R. S. Software (India) Limited
Ruchi Infrastructure Ltd.
Ruchira Papers Limited
Sri Adhikari Brothers Television Network Limited
S.A.L. Steel Limited
Samtel Color Ltd.
Sangam (India) Ltd.
Saregama India Limited
STL Global Limited
Shah Alloys Limited
Shasun Chemicals and Drugs Ltd.
Shree Rama Multi-Tech Limited
Shreyas Shipping & Logistics Limited
Shyam Telecom Limited
Sicagen India Limited
Sical Logistics Limited
Standard Industries Limited
SKM Egg Products Export (India) Ltd.
Smartlink Network Systems Limited
Softpro Systems Limited
Soma Textiles & Industries Ltd.
Spentex Industries Ltd
Southern Petrochemicals Industries Corporation Ltd.
Spice Mobiles Limited
SPL Industries Limited
SRG Infotec (India) Ltd.
SRHHL Industries Limited
Star Paper Mills Ltd
Steel Tubes of India Limited
Subex Limited
Summit Securities Limited
Sundaram Clayton Limited
Super Spinning Mills Ltd
Supreme Tex Mart Limited
Suryajyoti Spinning Mills Limited
Suryalakshmi Cotton Mills Limited
Surya Roshni Ltd
Swaraj Engines Ltd
Swaraj Mazda Ltd
Talbros Automotive Components Limited
Tata Metaliks Ltd
TCI Finance Limited
Tourism Finance Corpn Of India Ltd
The Tinplate Company of India Limited
Thirumalai Chemicals Ltd
Tamilnadu PetroProducts Ltd.
Trigyn Technologies Limited
Tulsi Extrusions Limited
Uniply Industries Limited
Vaibhav Gems Limited
Vardhman Polytex Limited
Venky's (India) Limited
Viceroy Hotels Limited
Vimta Labs Limited
Vintage Cards & Creations Limited
Vishal Exports Overseas Limited
Vivimed Labs Limited
Welspun India Limited
Windsor Machines Limited
W S Industries (I) Ltd
Zenith Computers Limited
Zenith Infotech Ltd.


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 3:46pm
Don't know if this is of any interst to you fwiw!!!
 
Ms/Mr *** *********,



Thank you for giving us an opportunity to assist you.



With reference to your telephonic conversation with our executive dated **/**/****, we request you to kindly provide a letter justifying the details of Repeated consecutive high trades done in the account **** in the scrip **** ******* ******as on *** and ****, 2009 confirming all the below points:


Kindly elaborate your explanation on the below queries.:


1. What was the reason for trading (buying) in the scrip **** ******when trading volumes are lower?


2. Explain basis of arriving at the price traded for scrip *** ******.


3. Do you confirm the trades executed?


4. Do you have any specific information regarding the scrip **** ******?

5. Is the trading in the scrip **** ******based on his own analysis?

6. What was the objective of trade? Was it with long term or short term objective? Please specify the reason for the same.

7. Do you and will comply with insider trading regulations of the stock exchange and company Please confirm.

8. What is the % you are holding till date in scrip **** **** and accordingly do you give open offer?

9. Are you related to promoter/director group of the company **** ***** directly or indirectly?(if yes, specify the relation)

10. Specify the quantity and the price range at which you will be trading in the stock **** *******.

11. Are you aware of the counterparty broker or the client?

12. Is the trading in sync with your normal trading pattern?

13. How long have you been holding the stock **** *******?

14. Does the order in the scrip match with your risk appetite, trading profile and investment objective?

15. Are you authorized someone else to trade on your behalf? Whether appropriate authority letter was given?


You are requested to mail us the details at **** @****.com/. You may also courier the same at the below mentioned address:

We always look forward to bringing you the best of our services and hope to continue with the same co-operation and

support in future.



Best Regards,

Originally posted by Hitesh Shah

Basant and Subu have both mentioned getting "correspondence" regarding their purchase of illiquid stocks. Despite my request, the content of this correspondence hasn't been provided on TED. I hope they oblige.
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Quote tigershark Replybullet Posted: 18/Aug/2009 at 4:06pm
if this journalist had tried the liquid produced by this illiquid stock USL way back in 2002 then he would have been writting a different story.had he bought usl then he would have stopped writting a long time backWink
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