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Vivek Sukhani
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Topic: Book value-An alternative view!!!!
    Posted: 16/Aug/2006 at 10:32pm
This is one measure which enamours value investors like me...however, the way we calculate book value is very distorting. In todays scenario when rasisng capital has become so fanciful and that too at a hefty premia, BV cannot be taken as a store of true wealth generated and stored by the company.I take BV to mean wealth generated and stored by the company.So, I take this opportunity to provide an alternative formula to convesntional BV.
 
BV=(Share capital+Reserves and Surplus-Misc. Expenditure-Diminution in value of investments)/((Share Capital+Share Premium)/Face Value of each share)
 
This will fleece those companies which have issued capital at a premium and thereby jerk up the BV artificially.It will also punish those companies which have huge losses stored in their subsidiaries but who are refusing to write off such such diminution.
 
What do you say???


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2006 at 10:35pm
In other words you suggest that we do away from the face value concept of shares and have just one value "Issue price" as they do in the West?
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2006 at 10:40pm

yes....thats more reeflective, isnt it????

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2006 at 10:45pm
Absolutely but then just to see whether companies are really creating wealth I prefer looking at  RoE. You could have a higher EPS by issuing shares at premium and investing that money in a bank fd but it is tough to manipulate the RoE and RoCE.As your BV grows you could have an higher EPS but not a higher RoE. In case you are putting the additional money in a bank on FD your EPS will grow but your RoE will fall since return on investment income is generally less then operating income.
 
 
 


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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 16/Aug/2006 at 10:53pm

I agree with you, but here I was talking of only distortious way we calculate Book Value.I have tremendous fancy for this measure.To me, a true BV is a wonderful entry point as far as fundamtal entry points are concerned.I look at it like a store of wealth measure, so I dont think we should compare the 2 measures in that regard.

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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 05/Dec/2007 at 7:17pm

Is price-to-book ratio still a reliable method for stock valuation? 

Price-to-book value (P/BV) is derived by dividing the market price with book value per share (BV per share = shareholders’ funds/total outstanding shares of the company).  

Alternatively, some analysts may choose to use price-over-net tangible asset per share (P/NTA) instead because the NTA per share provides the total value of the assets net of all intangible assets (mainly goodwill) and all liabilities before dividing the amount by the number of shares. In this article, we will use the term P/BV to reflect the general concept of either P/BV or P/NTA. 

How to use P/BV 

P/BV reflects the number of times the share of a company is being traded versus the owner’s cost. According to Benjamin Graham’s defensive value investing method, we should target for stocks that are selling at prices below 1.5 times BV.  

In general, we may use this “1.5 times” as a basic guide, but it’s better not to treat it as a foolproof number

The main reason for high price with low BV is because these companies tend to reward their investors with high dividend returns. As a result, their BV always stays low but their dividend yield (DY) is much greater than fixed deposit rates or the industry average. Hence, there is no fixed multiple for this method. The appropriate multiple will depend on how we view the quality of the company’s management and its earnings potential.  

According to Warren Buffett’s “cigar butt” approach, a cigar butt found on the street that has only one puff left in it may not offer much of a smoke, meaning the so-called “bargain purchase” may not turn out to be such a steal.  

Most of the time, a company is selling at a distress level due to weak earnings prospects, and any further deterioration in earnings may deplete its remaining BV. Thus, Buffett postulated that we should buy stocks based on their earnings potential instead of their attractive BV. 

P/BV is an appropriate measure of the net asset value of firms that hold liquid assets primarily. The value of liquid asset is more definite than the real property value. Examples of such companies are those in finance, investment, insurance, and banking.  

As long as these financial institutions make enough provisions for all their bad and doubtful loans, their real asset values should be near to their BVs. As a result, we will notice that it is quite difficult to find a banking stock selling near or below its BV. Most of the time, they are trading at a premium to their BVs. 

Entire article is here: Is price-to-book ratio still a reliable method for stock valuation? 
 
 
 
 
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Quote brijwanth Replybullet Posted: 09/Jun/2010 at 11:46pm
sorry for taking out bones out of burried coffin.

I am slightly towards Basant sir's side as far as Book Value is concerned vivekji

Say i have a Blade Making machine where comapny's net Book vale is say 100 Rupees but still even despite the product quality matching that f say Gillette can I sell at the same price. so while evaluating Gillette and my Blade making Unit You have to consider some amount of linearity to wards Gillette.

But still Book value is a good measure for an investor it is like bow and arrow but to hunt you need a marksman a target and skill
here bow and arrow are book value
marksman is the management
target is the potential market
and skill is that extra brand value(moat) as in case of gillette


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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 09/Jun/2010 at 10:52am
Originally posted by riser3

But still Book value is a good measure for an investor it is like bow and arrow but to hunt you need a marksman a target and skill
here bow and arrow are book value
marksman is the management
target is the potential market
and skill is that extra brand value(moat) as in case of gillette


Interesting analogy.





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