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Quote shankar Replybullet Posted: 02/Oct/2008 at 10:15pm
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1. NCCL is, and perceived by the market, more as a construction & real estate play. Contribution of its BOT, port & power projects to overall valuation is insignificant. Gautami power may commence this year and likely to give it some visibility.
 
2. FPCs of the order of 30-35% impact it severely. Even some of the upcoming projects, including those in middle east where they are L1 bidders, are on FPC basis - doesn't help when employee costs are on rise, input costs are all over the place. Marginal interest costs will further dent
 
3. Debtors and inventory turnover have considerably worsened compared to FY07 position.
 
4. Promoter's stake will increase by about 1% post conversion of warrant at 217.
 
5. Was seeing projections for the co - due to increasing costs, EBITDA margins as well as net margins for FY10E are actually getting depressed compared to what it was for FY08.
 
Although it may offer upside from present beaten down levels, do you really expect a re-rating on fundamental grounds (of course, markets  have other grounds too!)
 

Basant has this interesting signature line which could be appropriate here I guess

"If you could tell the future from a Balance Sheet then accountants and mathematicians would be the richest people in the world."
 
I guess regarding future of a stock, we can always flip a coin since even the patricians and the plebians are all equally clueless in the markets.  The biggest things that NCCL has going for it as a business is its execution strength and expertise across various projects which is the thing that people look for nowadays when awarding big projects.  No wonder it has bagged a slew of orders recently including airports in Karnataka and Metro Rail in Hyderabad, either alone or through a consortia of other bidders.  They even bagged an order to build a road in the gulf a year or two ago which had strict delay penalties in the contract.  Normally infra companies don't like to take orders with delay clauses in them and only companies confident in their execution strengths even think of applying for projects such as these.
 
If you want an interesting insight into NCCL and its functioning style and its key strenghts, I would love to direct you to this old article in Forbes which caught my attention in the first place.  This article was in 2006, and the basic strenghts of Nagarjuna still remain the same as was mentioned.  This was the article that first brought NCCL to my attention as I am a regular reader of Forbes.
 
 
Lastly, whenever one sees a robust business model which has successfully replicated itself across various markets, one should look for reasons to buy.  If the reasons to buy are plentiful and are cogent and present a strong case, then it makes a good case for a buy.  The correct reasons are usually found in the way a company operates, how it is making money now, how it plans to make money in the future, and who is in charge.  They are not always found in the balance sheets.


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Quote HallaBol Replybullet Posted: 02/Oct/2008 at 10:50pm
How do u compare NCC with IVRCL in terms of opportunity, execution capabilities, valuation, ROCE, ROE etc.

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 02/Oct/2008 at 7:59am
The weight of an investor in the former weighs quite heavily in favour of NCCL!!!
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Quote manojc Replybullet Posted: 12/Oct/2008 at 1:59pm

In September the promoters have added 1.118% of shares to their kiity.

http://www.nseindia.com under: Corporates > Latest Announcements
 
Though they lapsed the warrant which was at that time more than 100% to the market value, they have bought an equivalent amount of shares from the secondary market. This is undesrstandable considering the huge discount at which the shares are available in the market.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 12/Oct/2008 at 2:02pm
but the company didnt get the money...................
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 12/Oct/2008 at 2:18pm
I know couple of people in Pune who blindly bought NCC & Champagne after seeing recent bulk deals by RJ. And the worst thing is that they did so by using margin finance...leveraging existing demat shares.

their argument was that RJ's buying price would act as strong support level.

Markets don't work that way. Nobody is bigger than the markets.

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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 12/Oct/2008 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by HallaBol

How do u compare NCC with IVRCL in terms of opportunity, execution capabilities, valuation, ROCE, ROE etc.
 
Being from Hyd I can tell you IVRCL did not treat buyers of it's apartments very well. But then perhaps it goes with the territory.
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Nobody is bigger than the markets , yes very true Kulmanjee.. The scrolling bar on the screen is the biggest and honest truth in this world
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