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rapidriser
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 Posted: 29/Jun/2008 at 8:12am |
Originally posted by master
Rapid riser ji, figures are not for the last day of the year- they are adjusted for the year. For instance as on December 31, 2007, PE & PB were 27.67 & 6.71 respectively whereas for the whole month of December 2007 they were 26.94 and 6.54 respectively. What we have on the thread for 2007 is 22.25 and 5.32 so it's not the monthly or year end position. Even if we drill down to a 84-month position one would still miss out on intra-month volatility. So in any long range trend, it won't significantly matter.
Coming to the moot point, the last 18 months are the ones which distort the valuation picture - the first 12 heating it & last 6 cooling little too much.
Basant ji has rightly pointed out it's the kind of companies coming in & exiting the index that influence the level. Take a look at the top 5 weights:
Reliance - 15.54%
Infy - 8.47%
ICICI- 7.80%
L&T- 6.98%
HDFC - 5.52%
None of them is a low PE or PSU kind of stock, so it's natural that it'll trade at relatively higher compared to historical levels of late 90s.
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Yes you are right, the figures indicate the average P/E and not the last day P/E for the year. Right now we are at the the following levels. So the downside seems limited from a long term perspective, even thought there could be further correction in the short term.
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Dividend Yield |
27 June |
14,127.76 |
14,127.76 |
13,760.24 |
13,802.22 |
16.94 |
3.66 |
1.23 |
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India_Bull
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Believe in the ability of your companies/invest in such companies that will come out strongly in such bearish phases and one need not listen to any analysts for the forcasts of what will happen in future. Market is shortsighted but corrects itself in due course of time.
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basant
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Yes Sir, but in times like these it is really difficult to keep up to that logic. We are all humans and the worst side of a human is his emotion.
At current levels we trade at 11 times forward after adjusting for subsidiaries. The earlier times when such PE ratios were reached was in 1998 post pokran; 1999 near about Kargil; 2003 April.
It is highly unlikely that we will remain at 12,000 levels on the index because that would mean going against the 30 year history the argument is not water tight but is more of a probable event.
In 6 months we start discounting Fy10!
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kulman
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 Posted: 01/Jul/2008 at 11:58am |
There have been far too many excesses in capital markets, economy & more so in the corporate world from 2005~2007. The 'cleansing process' is on that might last for couple of years.
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couple of years????
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The market is a place where people with money meet people with experience.
The people with experience get the money while people with money get experience!
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kulman
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 Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 12:04pm |
Originally posted by investor
couple of years????
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Fortunately not light years.
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Im not into technicals but the consensus amongst all the technical guys on all the business channels last night was that 3600 is very very critical level for the Nifty, simply because if that breaks, next support level is 2600 - that means sensex in 4 digits!! Disclaimer: Personally i have never understood the logic of how technicals actually work. Ive always wondered if people buying at a particular level causes a "support" level to be created, or just because a so called "support" level exists(again, how that was identified in the first place, i dont know) people start acting accordingly and start buying!! Its like a catch 22 situation!
Edited by investor - 02/Jul/2008 at 12:08pm
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vijayM
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 Posted: 02/Jul/2008 at 11:32pm |
techinals means: market will fall because they are falling; market will go up because they are rising; market will go sideways because they are going nowhere.
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