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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 22/Nov/2006 at 11:17am
Do not know much in detail since we would have to work with IndiaBUlls - brokerage arm mcap and compare with Kotak sec number of active subscribers but the value is there for sure deep and solid.
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Quote reetesh Replybullet Posted: 22/Nov/2006 at 11:56am
One more facet of Kotak Bank is there Investment banking..
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Quote xbox Replybullet Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 6:11am
Kotak demerger looks interesting. Basant jee, do u have fine print of arrangement. Is it one entity demerger or 2 entity demerger ?
 As all know I like financial sector, yesterday I started looking into kotak. I found that Kotak has lots of bones but less of flesh on this (as it should have been by now). They are into all operations of financials yet they are not leader in any of them. Even they are not as aggrasive as others are. In securities, they became aggasive off late, as entry of R-trade etc.
Their banking operation is not generating profits as other banks of similer profile has. Their consumer finance is no where close to leaders. For investment banking there is no listed peers so I can't compare.
All in all kotak is one non so aggrasive private retail bank. Although they have lots of intrastrucute. 78 branches, 200+ securities offices etc etc.
Also at the time of Goldman's stake buyout he refused any demerger but now there is one on the table. I am confused little bit.
 
To summarise all, kotak demerger announcement looks interesting whereas current operations (specially retail) are not aggrasive as one expects it to be. He looks to bring strategic stakes to banking post '09 (i guess).
Your view Basant jee is highly welcome.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 10:44am
No I do not have that but you have raised a very interesting point that they are yet to be leaders in any of the spaces.
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Quote reetesh Replybullet Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 11:22am
If they are not aggressive then would not add 50 branches per year, you also need to look at the point that Kotak is a relatively new bank (growing 50% YoY look at consolidated figures)  and there is lot of barrier(for opening brances etc..) by RBI, we invest looking at bones and family it belongs to by the time flesh comes (it will sooner rather than later) we will se where the price is at that time....
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Quote xbox Replybullet Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 11:28am
Most likely Kotak is thnking of bringing strategic investor to each business. Like chola, sundaram they might bring somebody for 'its AMC. They have one for insurance. They badly need one for banking operations.
ICICI has Temasek, HDFC has citibank, CBoP has Foreign banker, YES has Rabo, similerly KMB needs strong foreign sholder.
Not sure about's investment and tdrading businesses. Kotak has just exited global partner. In my opinion they should have retained Goldman.
More or less kotak is Lala company not a professionaly managed company like icici and hdfc etc.
I wish good luck to Mr. Kotak.
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Quote reetesh Replybullet Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 11:30am
One general question to everyone if you want to buy leader in Banking sector which one you would go for..
1. SBI
2.ICICI Bank
3.HDFC BANK
 
Most of you will buy from 3 to 1 rather than 1 to 3 in order...
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 23/Nov/2006 at 11:36am
Depends on whetehr you are looking at EPS growth or market share!
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