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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 14/Apr/2008 at 11:15am
maybe to hold prices so that no one sells at 7500 and sets new benchmarks.
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Quote vijayM Replybullet Posted: 15/Apr/2008 at 1:36pm
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Never take growth at such fancy figures. I have mentioned this before that growth in excess of RoE is a mathematical impossibility subject to some caveats. Punj looks attractive but it is more of a 30%- 40% company.
 
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With this in mind, PEG=89/40 = 2.23 (over valued). This would also mean a proj eps of only 4.7 by mar09 whereas consensuc is >17. CONFUSINGConfused
 
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Quote shivkumar Replybullet Posted: 15/Apr/2008 at 2:18pm
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 If I have to take exposure to this sector, i will prefer HDIL for its presence in Mumbai but then the stock cannot be an exception when the whole sector falls. The other day i read in TOI that a builder is buying existing flats at Rs.22,000/sq.ft in Boriwali when the prevailing rates are around Rs.7000/sq.ft.


Since I happen to be born and brought up in Borivli, a few points:  the property was sold at Rs 22,000 sq  ft because the building is located on prime  area on the main road. Building a multiplex would provide a huge jump in revenue for the builder.

Quite a few such deals have collapsed after media reported it. Nothing stops the residents of the buildings nearby from offering their own buildings for Rs 15,000 or Rs 12,000 a sq ft.  In fact secretaries of a number of housing societies have been sending feelers to construction companies to have their properties re-developed. Very few actual plans get converted on the ground.

A few entities like Reliance are using front agencies to buy prime properties for the retail ventures.

Regarding HDIL, the TDR rates in Mumbai have collapsed in the past week - from Rs 3500 to Rs 1400 after Vilasrao Deshmukh govt ordered all slums being redeveloped to increase area of new flats by 20 per cent.

HDIL will take a big hit as a result of Deshmukh's order. The company is redeveloping slums on airport land. On the one hand HDIL will have to spend a huge bomb to build bigger houses. It hoped to earn by putting up buildings northwards from the airport from the TDR it earned from the airport project.

Now due to oversupply, TDR value has crashed. Already existing constructions are having their prices cut. Soon the newer buildings coming up in six months will be even cheaper.

We saw this in 1994-95 when the Shiv Sena-BJP government started the slum redevelopment programme. As prices crashed, the programme failed and builders who amassed TDRs initially had to take a beating.



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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 15/Apr/2008 at 9:46pm
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As prices crashed, the programme failed and builders who amassed TDRs initially had to take a beating.


Couple of years ago, a big TDR scam was unearthed in Pune's realty market. Don't know what happened later or as usual was swept under the carpet?
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Quote kanagala Replybullet Posted: 15/Apr/2008 at 9:58pm
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Originally posted by basant

Never take growth at such fancy figures. I have mentioned this before that growth in excess of RoE is a mathematical impossibility subject to some caveats. Punj looks attractive but it is more of a 30%- 40% company.
 
BASANT JI,
 
With this in mind, PEG=89/40 = 2.23 (over valued). This would also mean a proj eps of only 4.7 by mar09 whereas consensuc is >17. CONFUSINGConfused
 
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Punj will earn around 13rs EPS for 08.


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Quote Musketeer Replybullet Posted: 15/Apr/2008 at 10:16am
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Banks are normally valued on a Price/Book Value basis. Book Value is calculated as Equity Share Capital + Additional money received on shares (if any) + Retained Earnings (which is Profit after Tax - Dividends). So do the calculation for HDFC Bank and find out yourself !
About calculations of book value, I normally subtract all the liabilities (loans taken + current liabilities) from the assets and divide the result by the number of shares outstanding for getting the book value per share.
Would that give a different figure than the one obtained as you mentined?
You've given some indicative figures to employ while evaluating AMCs.
What data would be required to evaluate an insurance business and how to interpret that data?
Let me try to answer this myself, I think both the numbers would be the same.
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Quote vijayM Replybullet Posted: 16/Apr/2008 at 2:22pm
BASANT sir,
I am focussing on following stocks for analysis. I am assuming % CAGR in EPS and AVG P/E as per following details. Please correct the figures that are wrongly assumed.
 
STOCK         SECTOR   % CAGR   AVG P/E
 
1] PRIL         RETAIL       40         40
2] L & T        ENGG         40         40
3] BHEL        CG             35         35
4] HDFCBK   BANKS        30         30
5] IDFC        NBFC          40         30
6] HDFC       NBFC          20         30
7]VOLTAS    A/C             35         35
 
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Quote nitin_jagtap Replybullet Posted: 16/Apr/2008 at 2:27pm

As a rule Lynch uses the following guideline on arriving at PEs for the growth stocks. Suppose you have a company X which is showing a expected CAGR EPS of 50 ..then the PE that Lynch would like to look at and buy is (2/3)*50 = 33.33 ..this is the max PE that Lynch would like to pay for the stock...how to apply in this scenario is a different issue.

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