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Quote valueman Replybullet Topic: Is HPCL a Contrarian /Graham buy now?
    Posted: 18/Mar/2008 at 10:42am
Ramesh Damani few months back hinted at HPCL as a good contrarian buy in many of his chats .HPCL /BPCL are great companies but are being killed due to government policies but there is a thought that with recession looming over in America it will lead to Oil prices coming down .



Any takers for HPCL as a Contrarian Buy or  Graham Buy at this stage ?


Vivek  ,you are the best Graham follower here .Kindly do a Copy Book Graham Analysis on HPCL .


Edited by valueman - 18/Mar/2008 at 10:45am

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 18/Mar/2008 at 11:06am
It has been a contra buy since the start of this bull amrket. Every quarter we had new pushers for this stock first it was Shankar Sharma, then Ramdeo Agarwal, then Ramesh Damani.
 
The best way to analyse this stock is to figure out why and when it would not be a value pick.
 
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Quote valueman Replybullet Posted: 18/Mar/2008 at 11:18am
I found the following analysis on HPCL from another blog and sharing the same .Others also pass their comments .I am yet to make an investment in HPCL and will do so when the market corrects still further down . Primarily my interest in HPCL is due to the dividend yield and no better opportunity but now to get a better yield .If external situation improves in its value unlocking them it is an added bonus .

http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/2007/07/graham-idea-selling-below-replacement.html

July 19, 2007
Graham idea – Selling below replacement cost – HPCL


Statutory warning – A long post with links to other analysis.

I have analysed the oil & gas industry and specifically refineries earlier (see here). In addition an analyis of the industry is also posted on my spreadsheet.

The oil majors have not been a part of the current bull run and the main reason is the convoluted pricing and subsidy structure. As a result the sector is not doing too well and may have some opportunities.

I have developed an investment thesis for HPCL which is given below


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HPCL is one of the Oil majors with almost 13MMT refining capacity. It is engaged in the business of refining crude and marketing end products. In addition it is also integrating backwards into E&P, lube marketing via its Lube SBU and into the Gas distribution business.

The problem
The Oil & gas business in india has one of the worst economics possible. The pricing though supposed to be decontrolled, is still controlled by the government. As a result in a rising crude price scenario, where other Oil majors across the world are minting money, companies like HPCL, BPCL, IOC etc have been bleeding.

The typical Gross refining margins for companies like RPL has been around 10 usd per barrel. A company like HPCL should easily be able to make 6-7 usd / barrel. However in the last 1-2 years the Gross margins have been 3-4 and net margins have been around 1 usd/ barrel.

The above is due to subsidized sales of products such as Petrol, diesel and kerosene etc Due to the above situation, O&G companies have been beaten down and now sell below replacement value of their asset.

The opportunity and investment thesis
HPCL now sells at around 9000 crores. The EV is around 10000-11000 crores at best.

The replacement cost for the assets of HPCL can be calculated as follows

1.Refinery – 13MMT ( greefields projects cost around 1200-1800 Crs/ MMT) – 19000 (approximate)
2.Petrol pumps / retail outlets – 7313 (average cost atleast 1 cr/ outlet – 7000 Crs (approximate)
3.LPG distributors – 2202, customers 2.28 crores - ??
4.Other gas assets such as pipeline – 2000 Crs + (1700 crs invested in last 5 years), avantika gas, Bhagyanagar gas etc.
5.Other assets – some value
6. JV’s – MRP (17%) – 1200 Crs and other JV’s

The above assets can conservatively be valued at 25000 – 30000 Crs. So the company sells at 25-30 % of the replacement value of its assets.

The above discount is definitely not an abberation. It is mainly due to policies of the government. However I think the gap is higher than it should be and the main reason is that the market is assuming that the current state of affairs would continue as is.

I don’t believe the government is going to change its ways, however I think the bottom line of company should improve due to the following reasons

1. The company is currently engaged in diversifying its revenue streams via various initiatives and reduce the impact of the pig headed policies of the government. These initiatives are lube marketing, Gas distribution and retail initiatives and oil trading and risk management. The market is currently not valuing any of these real options.
2. The GRM and net refining margins are at their lowest. Going forward the worst case sceanrio is that they would remain at the same level. If that is the case, the bottom line should still improve as the various company intiatives take effect (see page 53 of Annual report)
3. The 9 MMT refinery and expansion of Vizag refinery to 15 MMT and export of the petro-products and E&P activities should help the company improve its margins going forward.

Conclusion
Although there exists a substantial discount to the assets value and possible cash flows, the gap is not likely to close any time soon. However even if the market reduces the gap to 50-60% of asset value, the returns should be reasonable. In addition the company is selling at a 5 year low in terms of its PE and P/B ratio. The key triggers to watch would be crude prices and the level to which the government compensates for the underrecoveries.



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Quote valueman Replybullet Posted: 19/Mar/2008 at 4:48pm


Saw this piece put in another thread and copying the same here .This is what I feel will act as a trigger for Oil  Companies like HPCL /BPCL etc .


Subject: US recession - Oil prices - and India
http://www.theequitydesk.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=733&PN=10

MF Global's Indian economist, Ms. Anjali Verma has pointed out an interesting datapoint on the imapct of US recession on oil prices in her recent report on "US Economic Indicators".

Every US recession was caused by different factors, but each one resulted in crude price correction, says Anjali.

The graph below shows the daily movement of crude prices. The Brent prices are available from 1987 onwards, and hence she has used NYMEX crude oil future contract prices. The highlighted blocks represent the periods of crude correction.


If now US indeed goes into recession - which many believe - it is not unreasonable to assume that there could be a meaningful fall in crude prices (the shift from equities to commodities and US$ weakness may only provide temporary support, but when the actual demand slows down thanks to downturn in the global economy the fall in prices may be the sure outcome).

India imports 800 Mn. Barrels of oil every year. Every $ 10/bbl increase or decrease in oil prices results in $ 8bln outflow/inflow of foreign exchange, which is 0.8% of GDP. India is believed to be the country with HIGHEST ENEREGY INTENSITY in the world, even ahead of even China.

If oil prices drop from here meaningfully, it will result in valuable savings of foreign exchange for the country. Money saved is money earned. Imagine, if oil prices internatinally were to drop by $ 20 from here (annual average price), it could result in savings of $ 16 bln or 1.6% of India's GDP. If oil prices drop by $ 30, the savings is $ 24 bln or 2.4% of India's GDP.

If India has managed to grow at 8% plus despite high oil prices, it shows the resilience of the economy (of course, significantly supported by Govt's subsidy doleouts which are at the cost of oilbonds issued by the Govt).

India's high energy intensity may be blessing in disguise if the oil prices fall from here thanks to US recession, because money saved is money earned. This buttresses the argument that India is one of the best hedges in the world against US recession.

Food For Thought.




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Quote rohitc99 Replybullet Posted: 19/Mar/2008 at 12:46pm
[QUOTE=valueman]I found the following analysis on HPCL from another blog and sharing the same .Others also pass their comments .I am yet to make an investment in HPCL and will do so when the market corrects still further down . Primarily my interest in HPCL is due to the dividend yield and no better opportunity but now to get a better yield .If external situation improves in its value unlocking them it is an added bonus .

http://valueinvestorindia.blogspot.com/2007/07/graham-idea-selling-below-replacement.html

Hi valueman
 
i had posted the above analysis quite some time back. On the fundamental level oil prices have gone up further since then and the goverment due to election year may not raise prices. so it is unlikely that the any of the fundamental triggers will kick in this year or anytime soon. there may be a long wait on this stock.
 
the upside is that stock is selling at such low valuations, that the downside is low.
 
disclosure - i hold small quantities of this stock - more from an academic point of view 
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 19/Mar/2008 at 11:46am
Hi value and Rohit,
 
A small piece of note, nothing connected with HPCL in particular. During these times, I believe one should ask himself a few questions before he takes a plunge:
 
1.Am I buying because its not likely to go down further....
 
2. What will I do in case it becomes 50 p.c. cheaper( price-wise) from here. Will I be cursing my luck or be happy to load it more.
 
Its a mistake to buy on the presumption of a stock is not likely to fall more from present levels. Markets have made a monkey of such value mongers.
 
However, if the answer to the question is that we will be happy to load it more, then one shall not mind buying at all. Its a buy at every level, and a bigger buy at lesser levels.
 
Just a random thought....nothing connected with HPCL directly.


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Quote rohitc99 Replybullet Posted: 20/Mar/2008 at 1:01am
Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani

Hi value and Rohit,
 
A small piece of note, nothing connected with HPCL in particular. During these times, I believe one should ask himself a few questions before he takes a plunge:
 
1.Am I buying because its not likely to go down further....
 
2. What will I do in case it becomes 50 p.c. cheaper( price-wise) from here. Will I be cursing my luck or be happy to load it more.
 
Its a mistake to buy on the presumption of a stock is not likely to fall more from present levels. Markets have made a monkey of such value mongers.
 
However, if the answer to the question is that we will be happy to load it more, then one shall not mind buying at all. Its a buy at every level, and a bigger buy at lesser levels.
 
Just a random thought....nothing connected with HPCL directly.
 
hi vivek
 
i guess it comes to ones personal approach to investing. i cannot speak for others, but if i think the company is undervalued and below my buy target i start buying.
 
if it drops , subject to my position limit in the portfolio , i end up buying further. If the fundamentals have not changed, i do not worry with price fluctuations. Actually as i am usually looking at out of favor companies (and the non sexy sectors), a price drop  happens most of the times.
 
I have seen in the past that if i have done my homework well and understand the company well, the market price catches up with value. However if i am wrong, then i will lose money ...sooner or later.
 
HPCL frankly is not a typical value play ...it could very well be a value trap where the value is just an illusion. The key reason is that the biggest shareholder (goverment) is bent on messing up the company.
 
My analysis and post on the blog is more of an academic exercise and i want to see how it plays out. however i personally would not include HPCL as an big component of my portfolio ..with all the meddling by the government.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 20/Mar/2008 at 1:33am
didnt mean anything offending Rohit......
 
Will like to know more about the companies you like.....
 
Thanks mate,
 
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