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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 23/Feb/2008 at 8:06am
If someone ever gets the Annual report of these 2 companies, the first thing that will strike them is the overall simplicity and an absolute no-nonsense attitude.
 
Mr. Merchant, will you be able to tell something more qualitative about this company and its parent, Kabra extrusiontechnik. I am actually more bullish on Kabra extrusiontechnik. The collaborators have taken a stake there.....
 
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Quote Janak.merchant1 Replybullet Posted: 23/Feb/2008 at 11:29am
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If someone ever gets the Annual report of these 2 companies, the first thing that will strike them is the overall simplicity and an absolute no-nonsense attitude.
 
Mr. Merchant, will you be able to tell something more qualitative about this company and its parent, Kabra extrusiontechnik. I am actually more bullish on Kabra extrusiontechnik. The collaborators have taken a stake there.....
 
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Vivek
 
Hi Vivek,
 
What i had liked was that there were cash flows which have been used to expand operations. New factory is state of the art, i was told.
 
Regarding Kabra, after seeing their factory, i realised that tho appearing simple, the business is complex in terms of manufacturing. There r so so many parts involved.
 
Do u have any parti reason for your bullishness. I m holding small qty in both co.
 
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Quote rana Replybullet Posted: 28/Feb/2008 at 6:41am

Dear Basantji, and Other Members, 

I am new to this field and trying hard to understand the fundamentals. During my study I came across couple of things which is bugging me. Here is one of them, If you can put some light, that will be really helpful. 

In Graham's "The Intelligent Investor" one key philosophy is to ask “How much?”, so that we can determine the true value of the stock. I understand there are certain things which are not tangible and we can not evaluate them, keeping that aside how can we determine the true value or the band for the true value of a stock. 

Can you please explain in the context of "AXIS BANK", I have tried to find out the same from their balance sheet but still didn't reach any convincing conclusion. 

I am sorry if this thing is already discussed then please give me the link. 

Thank you in advance for your guidance.

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 28/Feb/2008 at 8:51am
There are numerous ways to do it but the most commonly followed method are price to book and PE basis.Axis is not a Graham stock really.

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Quote rana Replybullet Posted: 28/Feb/2008 at 9:06am

BasantJi,

Really thanks for the reply. Can you give me any links from where I can study the "price to book" and PE with some practical examples?

Another thing; is there any material though which I can understand the basic ratios to find out the fundamentals of a company.

Sorry for bothering you :(

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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 28/Feb/2008 at 9:32am
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There are numerous ways to do it but the most commonly followed method are price to book and PE basis.Axis is not a Graham stock really.
 
I believe we are talking about margin of Safety here. In that case, growth in itself is a big margin of safety but it carries with itself systemic risk. Typically, these type of stocks will be outperformers in a growing capital market. And as such ex-post standard deviation of such stocks will be quite high. However, this conclusion has to be taken with a pinch of salt, that the trend reversal can hit them really hard.
 
Somehow, I am surprised with the strength that Yes Bank and Axis has displayed. Nothing to suggest, though, that they will do so everytime. Kotak got a big battering and is still reeling under pressure.
 
Speaking about my portfolio, the only reason why I decided to part exited Pidilite was that when I was asking myself what MoS apart from growth, I was not getting adequate convincing replies. I did a peer group analysis and decided to go with a Glaxo Consumer.
 
The thing is investor should be working out systemic risk on a regular basis. However, at the end of the day, some things cannot be simply explained and the harder we try to explain, the more wrong we get.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 28/Feb/2008 at 9:35am
Some basic discussion was made on this thread:
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 29/Feb/2008 at 11:51am

A truly great business must have an enduring “moat” that protects excellent returns on invested capital. The dynamics of capitalism guarantee that competitors will repeatedly assault any business “castle” that is earning high returns.

 
Therefore a formidable barrier such as a company’s being the lowcost producer (GEICO, Costco) or possessing a powerful world-wide brand (Coca-Cola, Gillette, American Express) is essential for sustained success. Business history is filled with “Roman Candles,” companies whose moats proved illusory and were soon crossed.

 

Our criterion of “enduring” causes us to rule out companies in industries prone to rapid and continuous change. Though capitalism’s “creative destruction” is highly beneficial for society, it precludes investment certainty. A moat that must be continuously rebuilt will eventually be no moat at all.

 

Additionally, this criterion eliminates the business whose success depends on having a great manager. Of course, a terrific CEO is a huge asset for any enterprise, and at Berkshire we have an abundance of these managers. Their abilities have created billions of dollars of value that would never have materialized if typical CEOs had been running their businesses.

 

But if a business requires a superstar to produce great results, the business itself cannot be deemed great. A medical partnership led by your area’s premier brain surgeon may enjoy outsized and growing earnings, but that tells little about its future. The partnership’s moat will go when the surgeon goes. You can count, though, on the moat of the Mayo Clinic to endure, even though you can’t name its CEO.

 
Berkshire - 2007 Annual Report


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