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    Posted: 01/Dec/2007 at 6:29pm
Dear Basant Sir,
Thanks for teaching great lessons in investing and also thanks
to all the members of theequitydesk.com, the sun of knowledge
I would like to open up discussion on TINPLATE CO OF INDIA
This Co. is owned by TATA STEEL 30% and is into packaging industry. Developing lot of innovative products now a days catering to FMCG industry. Received Tata Business Excellence Model Award in July 2007. This award is given out to any Tata Group Company for Surpassing 600 points for the first time, out of a total score of 1000, which signifies the company as an emerging industry leader.
 
Expects to achieve a turnover of 1000 crores in FY 2008.
Present equity base of 28 crore (2.8 cr shares of rs 10). Price rs.55.
Market Cap at Rs. 150 crores, cheap in one sense, but expensive in
the other sense since its not making profits to justify over and above this.
Only worry is optionally convertible preference shares 1.12cr*100 each.
 
Prospects of this industry looks good on account of environment friendly
packaging, safety for food pacakging and new tin can culture developing.
Adding lot of FMCG companies to client base and targeting huge growth.
 
Tin plate has started a solution centre recently to grow above value chain.
Expects to expand its operations to West and North India to capture more biz.
INTERESTINGLY, TIN PLATE CAPACITY 4 LAKH TONES P.A IN 2008 &
CORUS ALSO HAVE TINPLATE DIVISION 15 LAKH TONES P.A.
 
Can it be another Indian Multinational in making? Not yet convinced myself. So, Basant Sir and members, Kindly help me to arrive at a conclusion
about this company. I believe equitydesk, the great source of knowledge, will
guide me in the right way.
 
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equitykid
 
 
 


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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 01/Dec/2007 at 7:13pm
Tinplate needs a lot of support from Tata Steel. Perhaps thats its biggest strength as well as its weakness.
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Quote jack Replybullet Posted: 04/Dec/2007 at 12:53pm

The new emerging lifestyle of having tin packed foods, makes tinplate stock interesting. If you see in othe part of world the mass consumption of tin packed foods. So India has to follow the same steps.

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Quote kannanravi1 Replybullet Posted: 04/Dec/2007 at 7:02am

Being linked to Tisco is both an opportunity and threat as Vivek rightly pointed out. I would typically look at this as an opportunity since having a strong parent helps. But at the same time the financials of Tinplate does not look very encouraging. Any idea why they were making loses until a few years in the past? Have they really turned the corner? Just looking at the numbers does not give me sufficient history to be confident that the company has turned the corner. Need to do more deep dive to find if anything has fundamentally changed in the company. My 2 cents...

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Quote hkumar Replybullet Posted: 06/Dec/2007 at 4:44pm
Originally posted by equitykid

Only worry is optionally convertible preference shares 1.12cr*100 each.
 
Why is this a worry?
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 06/Dec/2007 at 7:08pm
Equity Dilution. Thats the worry in case its to be converted. In case it is to be redeemed, huge cash outflow will have to be there.
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Quote hkumar Replybullet Posted: 07/Dec/2007 at 3:28pm

To avoid redemption of preference share, there is a big possiblity of this share price going up >Rs. 100/- so that the shares get converted.

When is the preference shares redemption / conversion date?
 
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 07/Dec/2007 at 11:31am
Whether it has to be redeemed/converted is something that tata steel will decide. Tata Steel is not a minority investor....its the promoter of Tinplate, so this logic of the stock price moving big to avoid redemption has little substance in this case.....
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