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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 7:49pm

Dear Mr. Basant,

Thanks for your opinion. actually, I like schablona given the way management is hiking its promoter holding.A small niche company, so I would like to devote  a very small percentage to this company. I like Varun because of its track record of being a continuous dividend paying stock for over 20 years.Albert david because of its capex and excellent EPS and dividend growth. JK Ppaer because of it being in the top 5 players in the paper industry and also because IFC has invested in this co. @ 65 per share.Chennai Petro because of its dividend and EPS. And Ballarpur , simply because for Gautam Thapar.
 
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Quote Ambarish Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:12pm

i remeber this company sachbolna one of my acquaitance had it and got it dematerialised when the recent boom came in the market when i asked him about the company he said he bought it long time back and is now sellin it for a meger amt of money to what he had invested so what this company has to offer now which it could'nt back then ???????????? and if you will can you elborate on what kind of holdings are you talking about examples if you may



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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:14pm

Now I would like to give a detailed explanation for my views above hoping that you will take it in good taste:

 

1) Schablona: I am not sure what the company does but I has 2000 shares from the sin I committed in the Harshad Mehta times. The stock was  delisted and I finally sold it off at Rs15.00 last year. Any management that has to see its stock delisted for over 12 months is not share holder friendly.

 

a) We all invest into the markets because there is liquidity and the management that cannot take care of creating liquidity through legal means is appalling otherwise we could have put that money into our brother-in-laws project.

 

b) Any company that has gets into  restructuring mode is bad. This is another way of washing off old sins.

 

c) If I can recall correctly this promoter group has multiple entities listed in similar or associated businesses. That again is incorrect. Why not have one company that does all the back end and front end.

 

Without asking you I am sure you are holding this company for more then 5 year or if anyone else is ask him how much CAGR he has made on this investment. I bet you have lost money over a 10 year period. Even the Govt.  double money in 7 to 8 years. 

 

2) Not sure on Varun but I would rather put my money in a GE shipping rather then in a Varun or an SCI. consider this if tomorrow you had two of your neighbors one an IIM Grad and another a simple second grade B School pass coming to you for a loan of Rs 100,000 and if  that was all you had what would you do:

 

a) divide the money among them

b) refuse to loan out any money to the second grade grad and provide the full cash to the IIM  grad.

 

I am sure you would have followed (b) above. That is how I think for stocks also.

 

3) Albert David: See these companies belong to managements that has made money in protectionist, biased, beurocratic, license raj regimes. As soon as the economy was opened they faltered. I think Albert David is a commodity player in pharmaceutical industry they probably make IV Fluids and very simple  items that can be made by any one else. What is the specialty? See how many R& D Engineers they employ and what their percent of sales they spend on research is. You will have the answer. A Pharma company’s life span is directly proportional to how much it spends on research otherwise it is a akin to a commodity company.

 

In all the 3 companies that I discussed tell me the 10 year CAGR on an original investment made in 1996 and you will know what i am talking about.

If you want I can write about the other ones also.



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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:35pm
Sure Gentleman, I will be much delighed to hear from you.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:38pm
Does that mean you are in confirmation with what I posted above  or do you have something which I possibly missed?
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:41pm
My dad bought just 500 shares of albert david in 1999-2000 @ 14/share. I bought just 800 shares of varun @ 42 last year. Schablona I have bought just 500 shares @ an average of 10 per share.
 
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:43pm
I meant to say, I am in consonance with whatever you are saying but will like to express my views later. lso, I beleive you can speak on the other companies upon request. To which I  said it would be my pleasure if you can throw the light.
 
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:49pm
Right but Vivek the point is not about 500 or 800 what diversification are you trying to make by investing
Rs 7000 in ALbert David
Rs 33,600 in Varun SHuipping
Rs 5,000 in Schablona.
 
Yesterday you wanted to buy 50 companies to diversify and you also said that anyone who does not do is is foolish. I do not think that holding companies in such small numbers and which do not deliver give you anything more then mental and psychological strength that all is well and you are not dependent on a few ideas- nothing else. I have always believe risk does not comes from owing few stocks but from not knowing what you are doing. This is a general  principle that I follow please do not think that our previous conversation led me into it.


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