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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2011 at 8:21am
In this whole debate of focussing on retailer, middlemen and farmers, landless labourers have been forgotten. They are the most vulnerable to rise any rise in food prices. It is good that farmers get higher prices. But it will need to matched with increase in daily wages for this unskilled labourers.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 11/Dec/2011 at 9:08am
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In this whole debate of focussing on retailer, middlemen and farmers, landless labourers have been forgotten. They are the most vulnerable to rise any rise in food prices. It is good that farmers get higher prices. But it will need to matched with increase in daily wages for this unskilled labourers.


These are the evils of capitalism. However NREGA benefits the landless labourers more then anyone else. they get 8 hours pay for 3 hours work and to add to this the new food security bill should help those below the poverty line we can debate the inefficiency of this bill but it does benefit them.
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 12/Dec/2011 at 6:45pm
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I'm not sure how it's a given that modern retail will automatically mean farmers will earn more.

My understanding is that in the modern retail system we'll have fewer middlemen. Shouldn't this automatically mean that middlemen will have better bargaining power and hence will squeeze suppliers more?

Offcourse, we'll have reduced wastage but not sure if that necessarily translates to better monetization for farmers

Due to scarcity of food items there are many restrictions on using agricultural land for other purposes. But if we reduce wastage then Govt. can reduce those restrictions. Organized retailers can unlock value of crops by making value added products. If product made from a crop becomes success then value of that crop will increase. Also Organized retailers will pay more tax.
Hey, I'm not sure (with my limited knowledge) that success of the product implies better payout to farmers. Perhaps the retailers will keep the extra margin.
 
Given the fragmented nature of Indian agricultural land won't farmers struggle to negotiate with bigger retailers
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Quote xpresso Replybullet Posted: 12/Dec/2011 at 6:52pm
It will probably help farmers move towards better quality output - hence better gains, not for what they already produce.
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Quote gyansr Replybullet Posted: 12/Dec/2011 at 7:01pm
Hi Subbu,
 
Simple rule of capitalism says that more competetion always benefits the consumer. If there are more big retailers, attempting to source directly from the farmer, then farmer obviously benefits. Say, today there is only one middle man trying to procure the produce from farmers, if tomorrow, five more big retailers get added to the process, it should be simple to guess who will benefit.
 
Same rule applies for the consumers, who benefit from better competition.
 
 
Originally posted by subu76

Originally posted by jamesvaikom

Originally posted by subu76

I'm not sure how it's a given that modern retail will automatically mean farmers will earn more.

My understanding is that in the modern retail system we'll have fewer middlemen. Shouldn't this automatically mean that middlemen will have better bargaining power and hence will squeeze suppliers more?

Offcourse, we'll have reduced wastage but not sure if that necessarily translates to better monetization for farmers

Due to scarcity of food items there are many restrictions on using agricultural land for other purposes. But if we reduce wastage then Govt. can reduce those restrictions. Organized retailers can unlock value of crops by making value added products. If product made from a crop becomes success then value of that crop will increase. Also Organized retailers will pay more tax.
Hey, I'm not sure (with my limited knowledge) that success of the product implies better payout to farmers. Perhaps the retailers will keep the extra margin.
 
Given the fragmented nature of Indian agricultural land won't farmers struggle to negotiate with bigger retailers
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Quote sajit Replybullet Posted: 12/Dec/2011 at 11:03am
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Swaminomics/entry/online-shopping-is-the-real-threat-to-small-shopkeepers

Real threat is online shopping? while this is true for bookshops and may be electronic goods.. groceries are still bought from shops is US also.
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Quote jamesvaikom Replybullet Posted: 12/Dec/2011 at 11:28am
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Originally posted by jamesvaikom

Originally posted by subu76

I'm not sure how it's a given that modern retail will automatically mean farmers will earn more.

My understanding is that in the modern retail system we'll have fewer middlemen. Shouldn't this automatically mean that middlemen will have better bargaining power and hence will squeeze suppliers more?

Offcourse, we'll have reduced wastage but not sure if that necessarily translates to better monetization for farmers

Due to scarcity of food items there are many restrictions on using agricultural land for other purposes. But if we reduce wastage then Govt. can reduce those restrictions. Organized retailers can unlock value of crops by making value added products. If product made from a crop becomes success then value of that crop will increase. Also Organized retailers will pay more tax.

[DIV][/DIV][DIV][/DIV]Hey, I'm not sure (with my limited knowledge) that success of the product implies better payout to farmers. Perhaps the retailers will keep the extra margin.[DIV] [/DIV][DIV]Given the fragmented nature of Indian agricultural land won't farmers struggle to negotiate with bigger retailers[/DIV]

According to me many value added products can be made from fruits like Jackfruit. If demand becomes huge then they can export the product to many countries. If demand of product increase then automatically demand for Jackfruit will also increase. Anyway organized retailer selling value added product is better for farmers than small retailers selling the fruit until they becomes rotten. Also now a days if farmers get good harvest due to good weather then they will definitely make loss as there won't be any takers for the crops due to less demand. But if there are more organised retailers then even if they pay less rate they will buy all the crops and preserve them in storage. So even if farmers get less rate they earn more as they can sell more.
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Quote samirarora Replybullet Posted: 13/Dec/2011 at 10:36am
Government let the opposition win for now, but FDI is going to happen, there is no way to stop it now.. they got the momentum going and its now not going to stop.
Better to be positive on this one, as playing politics means to back off sometimes only to hit back harder.
 
There is no way that FDI in retail is not happening.
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