Active TopicsActive Topics  Display List of Forum MembersMemberlist  CalendarCalendar  Search The ForumSearch  HelpHelp
  RegisterRegister  LoginLogin

Sector talk
 The Equity Desk Forum :Investment Ideas - Creating winning portfolios! :Sector talk
Message Icon Topic: Financial Services-Mother of all sectors! Post Reply Post New Topic
<< Prev Page  of 44 Next >>
Author Message
s_praharaj
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 10/Sep/2006
Location: India
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 357
Quote s_praharaj Replybullet Posted: 28/Mar/2007 at 12:10pm
Vivek,
I totally agree with you, that in the near future there is no chance of lowering of interest. This northward interest rate is going to continue till the inflation is contained. The inflation and interest rate, go together and it will have a adverse effect on the growth of economy. I was expecting this from the day CRR was increased for Banks. The Banks have raised intt on their loans also. Now I find, those companies which were not taking loans at a higher rate of intt, now are more than willing to take loan at a higher rate.
 
In such a time we have to see which are the companies which are debt free and can tide over the bad period.
Shashi Praharaj
IP IP Logged
Vivek Sukhani
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 23/Jul/2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6675
Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 28/Mar/2007 at 10:29am
Shashi, I tend to get perplexed at times..... in a rising inflation scenario, the asset that suffers most is cash.... In my opinion its time to trade long in real-asset rich companies which are net-debt free. Thats why I always think positive for a stock like ONGC, which has real asset in the form of crude..... and is relatively cash free.
 
Shashi, I have tremendous regards for banking and auto sectors.... they are perhaps the best leading indicators. Both are tremendously cyclical and hence provides tremendous insight into turn of cycles. Shashi, the government cannot do anything about inflation, unless ot decides to trade short at NYMEX....where also they are likely to get butchered if they decide to do anything of that sort . So, they mau curb trading in Futures commodity exchanges in the name of essential commodities, but if cost of input and cost of transporation rise, no God can limit inflation. Banks are bound to suffer in such a scenario.... you never know when a good debt becomes bad. Peple are so much on leverage, its time the institutions which are responsible for creating such leverage suffer. I am not a man of Gloom Boom doom cult.....but am not a wishful thinker either. All I say, is that stocks and especially the leading sectors are here to feel the pain. Shashi, I beleive you are extremely close to banking people..... do provide your feed-back on what the bank auditors are saying. Also, provide your own sense, on what you are feeling.... as somtimes I think its better not to hear stuff from horse's mouth( meaning directly from management).
 
Let me paint some scenarios:
 
1.Case No.1.- Inflation rises, nominal yields also rise, real yield increases or remains constant, consequently Rupee-dollar strengthens:  This can be real real scenario for banks. Can be dangerous for property and vehicles as well. And hence even more dangerous for banks. Will hurt exporters also quite badly. Trie money may flow in the sector from outside, but the money will get fixed instruments as real yield either goes up or remains constant.
 
2.Case No.2.- Inflation rises, nominal yields also rise,but real yield decreases, consequently Rupee-dollar weakens:Good for many people ,  but then flight of money may take place. It will be real hardship period, purchasing power of rupee will decline, cash as an asset will suffer....a sort of scenario which contains within itself seeds of recession. This is also bad news for banks again, as they have significant earnings in form of cash. And also, if its bad for markets, banks cant be any exception.
 
3.Case No.3-Inflation tames, either due to divine Intervention or thanks to Central Bank's intervention, nominal yields remains constant, real yields go up, rupee-dollar appreciates: Again not so good for banks. Exporters will lag again.
 
4.Case No.4-Inflation tames, nominal yields go down, real yields alse decline, ripee dollar declines: Good for banks. Good for exporters. Movement of funds from fixed instruments to equities.
 
Whats the probability of each scenario, I beleive then we can work out to some reasonable conclusion.


Edited by Vivek Sukhani - 28/Mar/2007 at 10:32am
IP IP Logged
Vivek Sukhani
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 23/Jul/2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6675
Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 30/Mar/2007 at 6:54pm
Three cheers to RBI... they have done what was expected of them.... just that they did it a day later....Repo hiked... CRR hiked.... Interest on CRR cut to 0.5 p.c. from 1 p.c..... triple whammy!!!!!
IP IP Logged
Vivek Sukhani
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 23/Jul/2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6675
Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 30/Mar/2007 at 6:55pm

Kylman, hows the mood in the board room in the after-hours.... are the longs abusing reddy..... or the shorts celebrating... give us a feed.

IP IP Logged
basant
Admin Group
Admin Group
Avatar

Joined: 01/Jan/2006
Location: India
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 18403
Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 30/Mar/2007 at 6:59pm

Bank stocks should be slaughtered the only consolation is that they are coming nearer to book value.



Edited by basant - 30/Mar/2007 at 7:02pm
'The Thoughtful Investor: A Journey to Financial Freedom Through Stock Market Investing' - A Book on Equity Investing especially for Indian Investors. Book your copy now: www.thethoughtfulinvestor.in
IP IP Logged
Vivek Sukhani
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 23/Jul/2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6675
Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 30/Mar/2007 at 7:00pm

Rightfully so....

IP IP Logged
Vivek Sukhani
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 23/Jul/2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 6675
Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 30/Mar/2007 at 7:07pm
First sugar, then cement.... now its banks' turn, what do you say?????
IP IP Logged
BubbleVision
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 05/Aug/2006
Location: India
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3142
Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 30/Mar/2007 at 7:35pm
The message was already telegraphed by the PC yesterday!!
 
Celebration for Shorts!!!
You can't make money if you are unwilling to lose...It's like willing to breathe in but not willing to breathe out. -- ED SEYKOTA ....Read Disclaimer!
IP IP Logged
<< Prev Page  of 44 Next >>
Post Reply Post New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



This page was generated in 0.031 seconds.
Bookmark this Page