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Quote FutureBull Replybullet Posted: 26/Feb/2009 at 11:56pm
Pls don't talk about Shankar Sharma...he gave price in single digits to Satyam..and it is hovering at Rs. 50.0 ...i have never seen bigger egoist than him who seems to giving terrifying calls most of the time...
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Quote investor Replybullet Posted: 26/Feb/2009 at 8:19am

FIR against Educomp; co calls it malicious

Educomp Solutions, the Gurgaon-based education firm, said on Thursday it is aware a first information report (FIR) complaint accusing the company of fudging its balance sheets to manipulate its stock prices was filed on February 13 by two investors named Gajendra and Rajendra Kumar.

The company denied all allegations and has sought an enquiry into the FIR.

"The latest malicious attack on Educomp is another attempt by vested groups to use unethical and frivolous means to sully the image of the organisation. This FIR has unfortunately been lodged without authentication/verification. That it is motivated is clear to the unbiased eye, our legal departmetn is taking requisite and necessary action on the matter," said Shantanu Prakash, the managing director of Educomp.

The FIR, a copy of which is with DNA Money, was filed at the Sihani Gate police station in Ghaziabad.

It has accused the Educomp management of manipulation of results, tax evasion and wrong valuation of one of its subsidiaries etc.

Sebi is already probing Educomp Solutions for market manipulation of its shares.



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Quote deveshkayal Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2009 at 2:49pm
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I do not know why Shantanu Prakash keeps cribbing over the alleged "bear hammering" his job is to run the company and show results. I saw him on NDTV Profit arguing how tye bears have hit his stock and how it should be taken off the futures list!!!

If you are reading this Mr. Shantanu just stop looking at the ticker and run the company well. Everything else will be taken care of by itself. Also if you spend so much time with the media how would you be able to take out time for general corporate matters!
 
 
 
Shantanu's first job was in Delhi Stock Exchange. Read Rashmi Bansal's "Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish" book.
 
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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 01/Mar/2009 at 5:59pm
Without commenting on the fundamentals of Educomp, it seems to be a fancied stock for intraday traders who don't have weak hearts.



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Quote experteye Replybullet Posted: 07/Apr/2009 at 10:21pm
Devesh ji, agree with you, educomp ko abhi bahut badaa honaa hai.
more risk,more profit but have a vision before taking risk,itis all about investment in equities market.
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Quote conservativeinv Replybullet Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 1:50am
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ICAI rules are very different for example if you do not charge depreciation as per their rules you can get away from just a note in the balance sheet. 
 
Basantji, if a company does not charge depreciation at all, it cannot get away with a note in the balance sheet unless the depreciation amount is insignificant.  If the company does not charge depreciation at all, the auditor would need to qualify his auditor's report for two reasons:
- the Companies Act provides the minimum depreciation rates
- ICAI Accounting Standards provide general guidenlines which require management to estimate useful life of an asset and require depreciation to be charged considering the asset's useful life.  ICAI does not provide specific depreciation rates.  This Accounting Standard is more or less similar to IFRS and US GAAP, so not very different than what is followed internationally. 
 
An auditor would also need to qualify his auditor's report for a company which charges depreciation that is not in line with ICAI Accounting Standards, unless the difference is insignificant.
 
If you have a specific example of a company not charging depreciation as per ICAI Accounting Standards and getting away with a note in the balance sheet, can you provide the name of the company (and year if available), because it would be a classic case.


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 12/Sep/2011 at 7:42am
Though I have lost track of this company the issue was of probably under provisioning for depreciation as I had indicated "as per their rules" in my post. I think they changed the method of depreciation sometime back to show higher profits.
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Quote conservativeinv Replybullet Posted: 13/Sep/2011 at 7:11pm
Basantji, changing the depreciation method is allowed by ICAI.  But I understand your meaning.  That is something that several companies used to do earlier - the practice is frowned upon now, so we see that fewer companies do it now.  However, I think we haven't seen the end of it as yet - let companies start scoring lower profits and we will see this practice re-emerge.
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